tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post2398431410082423706..comments2024-03-15T23:25:52.517-07:00Comments on the joy of sox: When Will Media Call Pedroia "Soft"?allanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-51165130406091447732010-08-25T06:18:44.313-07:002010-08-25T06:18:44.313-07:00Just found this that you've probably already s...<i>Just found this that you've probably already seen - as he threads here - but a perfect fit for the thread.</i><br /><br />Scrolling up on the very same thread:<br /><br /><i>MacLeodCartoons said...<br /><br /> Interesting stuff. But I actually think that pretty soon the Beantown media will decide that it'll sell more papers to criticize FY, so we'll see the 'he selfishly faked being fully fit' stories. Hence my cartoon this morning.</i>laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-48836517278585645192010-08-25T04:31:45.464-07:002010-08-25T04:31:45.464-07:00Perfect, Michael!Perfect, Michael!Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720293202890878993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-28104170266331138992010-08-24T22:13:01.893-07:002010-08-24T22:13:01.893-07:00Just found this that you've probably already ...Just found this that you've probably already seen - as he threads here - but a perfect fit for the thread. <br /><br />MacLeod Cartoon:<br /><br />http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2AYANb0P9Fs/TG_uFSMOTcI/AAAAAAAAB3g/ow_8uc773lc/s400/boston+media.jpgMichael Hollowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11569272458580142677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-31334504201119581532010-08-22T13:37:14.139-07:002010-08-22T13:37:14.139-07:00Nice conversation. Really enjoyed it, JohnFG's...Nice conversation. Really enjoyed it, JohnFG's takes especially. Nicely put.Michael Hollowayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11569272458580142677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-31656526498915071022010-08-21T14:53:38.194-07:002010-08-21T14:53:38.194-07:00He was a diva! He made his own rules! OMG!!1!11!He was a diva! He made his own rules! OMG!!1!11!allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-72070495949061559772010-08-21T14:25:51.043-07:002010-08-21T14:25:51.043-07:00Yeah, I was thinking Pedro also, though they never...Yeah, I was thinking Pedro also, though they never were all that effective in that effort. Who could hate Pedro?Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720293202890878993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-66544298372468838872010-08-21T13:51:00.870-07:002010-08-21T13:51:00.870-07:00Hope the rain ends before your party tonight.
It ...<i>Hope the rain ends before your party tonight.</i><br /><br />It is a very light drizzle now, but still not something you'd really want to sit out in. (If we have enough parties, we're gonna hit rain on one of them.)allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-9187678056528332592010-08-21T13:49:29.482-07:002010-08-21T13:49:29.482-07:00I would put Pedro in that category.I would put Pedro in that category.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-38334154833139329422010-08-21T13:29:38.523-07:002010-08-21T13:29:38.523-07:00Although there clearly are examples like Manny and...Although there clearly are examples like Manny and Nomar, I guess I am less aware of a pattern of the FO badmouthing a player before trading or not signing him as a free agent. I don't recall them bad mouthing Damon, for example, at least not until he asked for too much money. Who else did they do that to?<br /><br />Hope the rain ends before your party tonight.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720293202890878993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-6978441797245817602010-08-21T12:35:49.810-07:002010-08-21T12:35:49.810-07:00You hear that often in broadcasts today. Someone &...You hear that often in broadcasts today. Someone "just looks like a ball player".<br /><br />What does that even mean? I'll bet the guy saying it could not explain it very well either.<br /><br />If he simply "looks" like a ball player, then you are not judging him on hitting or pitching or running or fielding. You are judging his talent based on his body type and whether you happen to think that type is well-suited to playing baseball at a high level.<br /><br />MAN, that is fucked up!<br /><br />What do they mean? I suppose they mean he looks athletic and isn't too short and, yes, is probably handsome.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-51726318445785350602010-08-21T11:35:53.289-07:002010-08-21T11:35:53.289-07:00All this soft and hard business. Talk about Bill ...All this soft and hard business. Talk about Bill James having lived in vain. Freud anyone?johngoldfinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322562737172405323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-19532250409531312792010-08-21T11:32:12.065-07:002010-08-21T11:32:12.065-07:00Like Trot Nixon and several other examples, he'...<em>Like Trot Nixon and several other examples, he's been placed in the category of "gritty tough guy" who can do no wrong.</em><br /><br />One of the most interesting sections of 'Moneyball' was the description of how scouts would get into their heads that someone was a "good-looking young ballplayer" (Johnny Pesky loved that phrase when he was broadcasting), and no amount of subsequent indifferent performance would shake them out of their trancelike insistence on the fellow's good-lookingness.<br /><br />(I always assumed a repressed homosexual subtext but that's neither here nor there.) Laura's point is the same as in 'Moneyball.' In this world, Bill James to the contrary notwithstanding, reputation trumps performance, appearance trumps reality.<br /><br />I guess I'm already mourning the passing of LBJ....johngoldfinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322562737172405323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-72539766069852609652010-08-21T11:10:39.717-07:002010-08-21T11:10:39.717-07:00Looking at how the Red Sox media/FO treat star/pop...Looking at how the Red Sox media/FO treat star/popular players who are either going to be traded or become FA versus so-so players in the same positions would be an interesting project.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-23485153488064444992010-08-21T11:09:54.230-07:002010-08-21T11:09:54.230-07:00But I actually think that pretty soon the Beantown...<i>But I actually think that pretty soon the Beantown media will decide that it'll sell more papers to criticize FY, so we'll see the 'he selfishly faked being fully fit' stories. </i><br /><br />I don't think so. I think FY is teflon for a long time to come. Like Trot Nixon and several other examples, he's been placed in the category of "gritty tough guy" who can do no wrong.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-41662646656558532532010-08-21T11:08:31.995-07:002010-08-21T11:08:31.995-07:00They won't get much for him
Why do people ass...<i>They won't get much for him</i><br /><br />Why do people assume that? LBJ will be worth a lot, with or without drama. <br /><br /><i>If they wanted to let him go, wouldn't they simply trade him without maligning him? </i><br /><br />Do the Red Sox do that? To me it's a clear pattern that we've seen so many times.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-2489803410022123952010-08-21T11:06:49.921-07:002010-08-21T11:06:49.921-07:00How does the FO gain if they devalue LBJ? They won...<i>How does the FO gain if they devalue LBJ? They won't get much for him or they will be stuck with a player they have antagonized.</i><br /><br />The front offices of other teams are not as dumb and gullible as the average fan. <br /><br /><i>If they wanted to let him go, wouldn't they simply trade him without maligning him?</i><br /><br />Looking at the last few decades (at least), that does not seem to be the "Boston way".<br /><br /><i>And why DO they want to let him go? What is their motivation?</i><br /><br />While Ellsbury is a good player, the Sox may think he is over-valued and could bring back a nice package of talent. They may think they have OF prospects that can do what Ellsbury does (maybe not steal 70+ bases, but produce runs), and there may be free agents they have their eye on for 2012. <br /><br />And they seem to be trying to sour the fan base on him so they won't be so mad when he is traded. Just an opinion, but we've seen it before.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-85135315383310681692010-08-21T11:06:02.607-07:002010-08-21T11:06:02.607-07:00But after they've done convincing the world th...<i>But after they've done convincing the world that he's a fragile, lazy, spoiled, whiny, useless, dogging-it, anti-social POS, what do they expect to get for such spoiled goods?</i><br /><br />Many teams would be very happy to have him. I think the show is mainly for the fans, to be uncomplaining and even happy to see him go. <br /><br />For reasons unknown to me, the Red Sox seem unable to get rid of players with anything resembling dignity and class. There always has to be drama, and always at the players' expense. It has happened so many times that it cannot be a coincidence.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-45878433887356497632010-08-21T11:02:01.693-07:002010-08-21T11:02:01.693-07:00Interesting stuff. But I actually think that prett...Interesting stuff. But I actually think that pretty soon the Beantown media will decide that it'll sell more papers to criticize FY, so we'll see the 'he selfishly faked being fully fit' stories. Hence my cartoon this morning.MacLeodCartoonshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02508412401089448874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-46456842359965579232010-08-21T10:14:15.478-07:002010-08-21T10:14:15.478-07:00Yeah, I have the same question as JohnGF. How doe...Yeah, I have the same question as JohnGF. How does the FO gain if they devalue LBJ? They won't get much for him or they will be stuck with a player they have antagonized. If they wanted to let him go, wouldn't they simply trade him without maligning him? And why DO they want to let him go? What is their motivation?<br /><br />I am not suggesting that it is not the FO leading the media. I just don't get why they are doing it.<br /><br />The media, on the other hand, has the motivation that it sells papers or radio/TV time because people always like controversy. Like rubbernecking on the highway.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720293202890878993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-72272170366817947612010-08-21T09:46:02.486-07:002010-08-21T09:46:02.486-07:00You're assuing the FO is following the media. ...<em>You're assuing the FO is following the media. I'm assuming the FO is leading the media - suggesting and planting those stories because they plan to let LBJ go.</em><br /><br />But after they've done convincing the world that he's a fragile, lazy, spoiled, whiny, useless, dogging-it, anti-social POS, what do they expect to get for such spoiled goods?johngoldfinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322562737172405323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-1942682326530459252010-08-21T09:37:11.561-07:002010-08-21T09:37:11.561-07:00i seriously question if there is some sort of thou...<i>i seriously question if there is some sort of thought process where a rib injury isn't considered bad. even though it impedes mobility way more than a limb bone break, and takes longer to heal, especially considering it can't be casted.</i><br /><br />And that thought process somehow concludes that since a rib injury isn't really bad, Ellsburyreally doesn't want to play. Even though his future worth depends entirely on his success or failure in the present - and even though his style of play, what he has to offer, requires him to be in top shape. How can you get to that point with broken, cracked or bruised ribs?<br /><br /><i>The situation with FY/LBJ is analogous to the one where people prefer a narrative line and their impressions to actual facts or useful statistics about performance.</i><br /><br />It's exactly that.<br /><br /><i>But I'm surprised the GM and front office would be following those stories and eating their seed corn by possibly sacrificing a young player's career based on incomplete medical procedures and the need to win a few games in August.</i><br /><br />You're assuing the FO is following the media. I'm assuming the FO is leading the media - suggesting and planting those stories because they plan to let LBJ go.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-35102920971202621962010-08-21T09:12:57.089-07:002010-08-21T09:12:57.089-07:00The situation with FY/LBJ is analogous to the one ...The situation with FY/LBJ is analogous to the one where people prefer a narrative line and their impressions to actual facts or useful statistics about performance.<br /><br />I understand that the newspapers--in order to try to pretend to still sell a few papers--have to create tales of heroes and villains. But I'm surprised the GM and front office would be following those stories and eating their seed corn by possibly sacrificing a young player's career based on incomplete medical procedures and the need to win a few games in August. It's not as if they are having trouble selling seats at the ballpark....<br /><br />Why would they NOT have asked for a CT scan?johngoldfinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322562737172405323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-88314025720566550912010-08-21T08:44:10.350-07:002010-08-21T08:44:10.350-07:00yeah but he fouled a ball off hit foot, you know. ...yeah but he fouled a ball off hit foot, you know. that seriously impedes your ability to do the basic fundamentals, hit, run, play the field.<br /><br />all ellsbury did was break a few measly ribs - what do you use ribs for in baseball anyway? nothing, exactly. ribs are for eating, not breaking. he should've played through it because his arms and legs were fine.<br /><br />***<br /><br />i seriously question if there is some sort of thought process where a rib injury isn't considered bad. even though it impedes mobility way more than a limb bone break, and takes longer to heal, especially considering it can't be casted.timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12041184236514293677noreply@blogger.com