tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post3829712599513024952..comments2024-03-15T23:25:52.517-07:00Comments on the joy of sox: Rolling Stones Releasing Remastered Exile With Never-Even-Bootlegged Outtakes (!), So Why Am I Pissed Off?allanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-10895240026826190552010-04-24T13:14:11.820-07:002010-04-24T13:14:11.820-07:00That one might actually be "Following The Riv...That one might actually be "Following The River" (based on the info I gathered <a href="http://joyofsox.blogspot.com/2010/03/exile-on-main-street-outtakes-price.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>).allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-88389349100364445212010-04-24T12:18:08.740-07:002010-04-24T12:18:08.740-07:00Is the instrumental with new lyrics and singing me...Is the instrumental with new lyrics and singing mentioned above the already released single Plundered My Soul, or a different track on the album? This song obviously has new singing added, hopefully the other unreleased tracks didn't get that treatment too?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-1926161553225499512010-03-24T13:41:50.170-07:002010-03-24T13:41:50.170-07:00James, are you not happy with the restoration of T...James, are you not happy with the restoration of Touch of Evil according to Welles's notes? Sure, Welles himself was not around to do it, but it's got to be close.Zenslingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06040836002694584468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-30715713022698172832010-03-24T10:02:13.760-07:002010-03-24T10:02:13.760-07:00I've liked the Stones for a long time but coul...I've liked the Stones for a long time but could hardly class myself as a fan - I own a 25 year old vinyl copy of Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass) and that's it. But I had the same splenetic reaction when I read about this release of Exile and for the same reason. WTF?! It's just the wrong thing to do. Who actually really wants to hear the Stones do this, as opposed to merely not hating it or being cool with it? No one at all, I'd wager. So why in the blue fuck does Jagger - and I bet it *is* Jagger's ego driving this - think it needs doing? No one else does this.Simon Chapmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00693595975245800807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-44639684388576667362010-03-24T05:05:16.944-07:002010-03-24T05:05:16.944-07:00Ah, mid-May, the answer to my question! I'm a ...Ah, mid-May, the answer to my question! I'm a Stones fan, especially Goats Head Soup and before, but definitely not as much so as you guys. I do have my old Exile LP still, though I wish it were in better shape. The album itself is in OK condition, but the cover is really worn.<br />I do, however, have a dear friend who shares your opinion that Exile is the GAME (greatest album made, ever)and I would love to surprise her with this. And it does come out before her birthday. Check mark, cool.SoSockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15982944966573089279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-71426418215095986902010-03-24T05:03:43.254-07:002010-03-24T05:03:43.254-07:00This is a much bigger problem in movies than in mu...This is a much bigger problem in movies than in music, IMHO; we'll never get to see the real versions of Touch of Evil, L'Atalante, Greed, or any number of other masterpieces. At least this is Jagger who's doing it, and not some A&R guy or something. Still, anyone who's made the mistake of buying a post 1990 Rolling Stones album can't be too enthused about the prospect of this version of the band fucking around with the good version's material.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14670045693768623299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-51146513440026704392010-03-23T18:18:50.209-07:002010-03-23T18:18:50.209-07:00How does what sound? This set is not out until mid...How does what sound? This set is not out until mid-May.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-17142482807059957632010-03-23T13:21:19.553-07:002010-03-23T13:21:19.553-07:00Authenticity matters. Someone could release a heav...Authenticity matters. Someone could release a heavily edited version of [fill in your favourite classic novel here] and it might read ok, and maybe even the editor had a good understanding of what the now-dead author wanted to express, but no way, no how, that is going to ok. An interesting experiment, perhaps, but not the book you love.<br /><br />Even though this is technically the same person doing the editing, 65 y/o Jagger is not 26 y/o Jagger, so it's not the same person.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-85248324072152440332010-03-23T13:17:17.231-07:002010-03-23T13:17:17.231-07:00(Isn't that the question that matters?)
It...<i>(Isn't that the question that matters?)</i><br /><br />It's a question that matters a lot, but it's not the only question that matters.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-60228713707634398522010-03-23T12:55:25.870-07:002010-03-23T12:55:25.870-07:00So how does it sound?
(Isn't that the questio...So how does it sound?<br /><br />(Isn't that the question that matters?)Benjaminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00421785398444449007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-36259298265117516922010-03-23T12:31:12.832-07:002010-03-23T12:31:12.832-07:00When I first heard of the touching up, I was furio...When I first heard of the touching up, I was furious and was all set to bang out an obscenity-soaked post. But I held back.<br /><br />It seems as though the only songs they fucked with are ones that were totally unknown. Which sucks because we don't have any pre-2010 versions to prefer -- though I bet those leak out sooner or later, anyway. But then we also do not have anything else to compare them to. But then we may wonder what new stuff was done.<br /><br />If it was just beefing up an underlying guitar part or throwing in some extra background singing, it might not be so bad. But anything they put on there is going to be noticeable, right? If it a only a little brush stroke here or there, why bother in the first place?<br /><br />It seems simple to me: either the songs from that period are worth releasing as they were done then or they are not.<br /><br />Q: So does that mean if this an Exile song you have never heard before has been enhanced somehow, you would rather it stay hidden in the vaults?<br /><br />A: Errr, ummm, ahhh (exhales) .......allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-21501634044454529932010-03-23T12:20:42.702-07:002010-03-23T12:20:42.702-07:00As long as I have the originals, Prince can do wha...As long as I have the originals, Prince can do whatever the fuck he wants. New fans can d/l the originals and I can d/l whatever is new.<br /><br />I was getting Youtube links of various unreleased songs and watched some '72 clips from L&G. Fucking great, of course, plus a TON of interaction between Mick and Keith, something that had become ultra-rare by/during the 1981 tour.<br /><br />In clips from the 1969 tour (and 68's R&R Circus), Jagger just fuckin' oozes sex all over the place. ... That smooth youthfulness in his face would be gone by 72.<br /><br />***<br /><br />Plus in combing YouTube, I found a version of Let It Loose I have never heard before! Could be from Nellcote!allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-34195938787247447722010-03-23T12:17:31.309-07:002010-03-23T12:17:31.309-07:00[Why do I imagine he's packing his bags right ...<i>[Why do I imagine he's packing his bags right now? ]</i><br /><br />And if so, the autographed Exile is mine! ;)laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-41565531604326416252010-03-23T12:16:06.266-07:002010-03-23T12:16:06.266-07:00Dumb question perhaps (from the person who says th...Dumb question perhaps (from the person who says there's no such thing as a dumb question), but is part of the motivation behind this an attempt to produce something no one can get any other way? The same way any stupid "bonus track" was added to a baby-boomer LP when it first went to CD?<br /><br />Although I steadfastly declare Exile the greatest rock album ever made, and although I decry things like colorization and people singing duets with dead folks, I am not as horrified by this as you are, A.<br /><br />I guess that's because I already have Exile, its most perfect and beautiful and wild self. I don't care about versions, mixes, extra, re-recordings, what have you. These extra, modern vocals don't detract from my Exile in any way. <br /><br />[Why do I imagine he's packing his bags right now? ]laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-40037908386431854252010-03-23T12:06:12.961-07:002010-03-23T12:06:12.961-07:00I love those early TV appearances. To really see t...I love those early TV appearances. To really see the difference between the Stones and many groups of their day, you have to look at TV performances by some of the standard, good-boy bands, who generally wore matching outfits and were very cheery and restrained. Keith looks evil (as you say) by comparison and Mick looks like a sex machine. <br /><br />Always interesting to follow the progress of Keith's teeth over time, too. :)laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-16803833863834511522010-03-23T11:10:30.740-07:002010-03-23T11:10:30.740-07:00The Genesis situation I referred to involved him r...The Genesis situation I referred to involved him rerecording the vocals in, like, 1999.<br /><br />Speaking of 1999, Prince has occasionally threatened to rerecord his whole catalog as a way to take ownership of the masters. I know this has been done in country and soul, but can't imagine they would sound good.<br /><br />Last night there was an early Stones TV performance on PBS. Screaming teen girls and all. So young, they were still very good ("Time is on my Side" is the only tune I watched which I recognized). They were so fresh-faced, but Keith Richards still managed to look completely fucking evil. Wyman looked a little creepy, too.Zenslingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06040836002694584468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-21441528436445253842010-03-23T09:29:13.652-07:002010-03-23T09:29:13.652-07:00Zen: I know the analogy is not great.
Another exa...Zen: I know the analogy is not great.<br /><br />Another example was Frank Zappa re-recording the bass and drum tracks to two old albums (We're Only In It For The Money, Cruisin' With Reuben & The Jets) in 1984 for their release on CD. (And maybe he did <a href="http://www.lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/misc/way_beyond.html" rel="nofollow">more</a> than bass/drums. He says the original tapes were <a href="http://www.lukpac.org/~handmade/patio/misc/why.html" rel="nofollow">damaged</a>.)allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-47289648779165579942010-03-22T16:12:43.956-07:002010-03-22T16:12:43.956-07:00I don't think the movie analogy holds up too w...I don't think the movie analogy holds up too well, for obvious reasons. Voices change a lot, but not as much or as definitively as faces do (that is, you can imitate your younger self's singing in the studio probably better than another person could.) But it's still a very weird decision for them to make.<br /><br />Star Wars is one comparable situation. Another is fixing mistakes and such in so-called "live" albums. A lot of Genesis fans thought it was weird when Peter Gabriel rerecorded all his vocals for the release of a 1975 show. That band and a lot of others tend to be perfectionists about those kinds of recordings. Some fans don't like it, but good bootlegs are out there as well, so it doesn't really matter for people who tap into that. Here, you have early songs you can't get anywhere else, and you have to listen to them retrofitted whether you like it or not.<br /><br />Why not release them undoctored and the versions they worked on? Maybe because the former would sound better?Zenslingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06040836002694584468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-71331678684347851002010-03-22T15:20:47.585-07:002010-03-22T15:20:47.585-07:00Over the weekend, I saw the mega box priced at $20...Over the weekend, I saw the mega box priced at $200. WTF!!!! <br /><br />Today, I saw Amazon has it at $149. That's somewhat better, but as I will note in Part II, the truly new stuff I'd be getting for that $149 is slim, indeed.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-79799604980672689192010-03-22T15:18:35.178-07:002010-03-22T15:18:35.178-07:00Really? ... That's funny.
Other stuff I was w...Really? ... That's funny.<br /><br />Other stuff I was writing about the actual outtakes was getting quite long, so I put this up for now.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-73214531455539204022010-03-22T15:18:21.904-07:002010-03-22T15:18:21.904-07:00PS Someone has a birthday coming up.PS Someone has a birthday coming up.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-51217036051770571672010-03-22T15:17:14.391-07:002010-03-22T15:17:14.391-07:00This release is huge news in our house, and not on...This release is huge news in our house, and not only for Allan. The very beginnings of our relationship was forged through mutual Exile worship (and Keith), a love we both harboured long before we met. How many copies of this do we own, in how many versions? (Some autographed!)<br /><br />And now this... Complicated!laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-76626456892893528962010-03-22T14:36:29.251-07:002010-03-22T14:36:29.251-07:00I knew this post was coming.I knew this post was coming.Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15663572812095308985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-22697097144314807282010-03-22T12:55:40.118-07:002010-03-22T12:55:40.118-07:00*see the original Star Wars trilogy - is George Lu...*see the original <em>Star Wars</em> trilogy - is George Lucas involved in any way?FenFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02348863925130603048noreply@blogger.com