tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post4677958858586397423..comments2024-03-15T23:25:52.517-07:00Comments on the joy of sox: Donaldson: Self-Centered Manny Turned His Back On War Vetsallanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-24480383810825539642008-03-03T04:39:00.000-08:002008-03-03T04:39:00.000-08:00(And once again, we see comments on wmtc and JoS d...<I>(And once again, we see comments on wmtc and JoS dovetail...! Amy and I were just talking about this on wtmc!)</I><BR/><BR/>You know, in law we talk about how all issues are ultimately related and affect each other in some way, and the metaphor we have always used is that the law is a "seamless web." So I guess the web is a seamless web as well!<BR/><BR/>Jimmy Carter was a decent person (even if he did lust after other women in his heart), but he never inspired me as a leader or a hero. Like Laura, I cannot think of one President I would consider a hero. They all let me down one way or the other.<BR/><BR/>I was watching a film about Pete Seeger last week on PBS, and it struck me that he was one of my earliest heroes. My parents were constantly playing his music when I was growing up and telling me stories of the black list and his stance before Congress. Of course, his activism in the civil rights, peace and environmental movements inspired me as well as I grew up. So that's the kind of person I admire or consider a hero. Not our political leaders.<BR/><BR/>Now, is that off topic enough from baseball??Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720293202890878993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-34912204735029529072008-03-02T20:06:00.000-08:002008-03-02T20:06:00.000-08:00Some people just don't have politcal opinons, they...<I>Some people just don't have politcal opinons, they just don't...</I><BR/><BR/>Absolutely true. I just don't think we should assume that the man doesn't, is all. :)<BR/><BR/><I>Is there any one President of the U.S. in your lifetimes that you actually respected or thought did a good job?</I><BR/><BR/>It's a good question!<BR/><BR/>I respected Jimmy Carter. I voted for the first time in 1980, and I was proud to vote for him against Reagan.<BR/><BR/>As I got older, I learned more about some things Carter did that I wouldn't have supported. But I thought he was a good man who was unfairly pilloried.<BR/><BR/>But in general, the people I admire tend not to be politics, or if they are, they are outsiders and mavericks. There is a long list of Americans who I admire, but they are people who have worked for change outside the system. <BR/><BR/>Almost by definition, if a person is willing to do what it takes to become president, they ain't gonna make that list. The system is too corrupt. <BR/><BR/>(And once again, we see comments on wmtc and JoS dovetail...! Amy and I were just talking about this on wtmc!)<BR/><BR/><I>I know some some people don't like having the politcal side on your site, but I find it very interesting and enligtening....I can honestly say from just reading comments here It has made me have a more open mind towards some issues</I><BR/><BR/>I remember you saying that before. It shows in some of your own comments. I think it's very cool. <BR/><BR/>The internet is a funny place, eh?laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-85196071199282556952008-03-02T19:50:00.000-08:002008-03-02T19:50:00.000-08:00L-girl said... GK: nice! I think it's interesting ...L-girl said... <BR/>GK: nice! I think it's interesting how most people - even on this blog! where people should know better - assume Manny lives in a dream world, a man-child floating through life. I mean if you're late for spring training, you can't have any political opinions, right?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Some people just don't have politcal opinons, they just don't...<BR/><BR/>I am not saying he does either way...But he has never given me any idea that he does have politcal opinions......<BR/><BR/>L and Redsock .I can't say I have read all your writings .....But most of the ones I see here I have read.....<BR/><BR/>Just a question not to be construed in anyway just a curious question......<BR/><BR/>Is there any one President of the U.S. in your lifetimes that you actually respected or thought did a good job?<BR/><BR/>If you don't want to answer that is fine as well....I know some some people don't like having the politcal side on your site, but I find it very interesting and enligtening....I can honestly say from just reading comments here It has made me have a more open mind towards some issues.......and being an Irish Catholic sometimes ,well ya know...:)9caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-61827209546616176192008-03-02T18:19:00.000-08:002008-03-02T18:19:00.000-08:00... the liberal elites who have Theo under their a...<I>... the liberal elites who have Theo under their awesome power</I><BR/><BR/>If that is true, then we have the liberals to thank for the World Series titles in 2004 and 2007 since it sounds like Theo is so sychophantic that he won't make a decision without their approval.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the Democrats aren't such cowardly assholes after all.<BR/><BR/>They were clearly wrong on Renteria, but they scored big time with Ortiz, Schilling and Beckett.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-42297373373374384922008-03-02T18:06:00.000-08:002008-03-02T18:06:00.000-08:00GK: nice! I think it's interesting how most people...GK: nice! I think it's interesting how most people - even on this blog! where people should know better - assume Manny lives in a dream world, a man-child floating through life. I mean if you're late for spring training, you can't have any political opinions, right?<BR/><BR/>Anyway... I thought I'd post this advertisement from <A HREF="http://www.ourfuture.org/take-back-america-2008" REL="nofollow">the liberal elites</A> who have Theo under their awesome power.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-42707629968542423592008-03-02T13:14:00.000-08:002008-03-02T13:14:00.000-08:00Manny not going should not be an issue.I am sure h...Manny not going should not be an issue.<BR/>I am sure he thought of the many millions that go from his paycheck to the treasury and decided that was enough of his time and money that went/is going in to finance the war.GKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00131212565201599222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-74904781597309908102008-03-02T10:15:00.000-08:002008-03-02T10:15:00.000-08:00I like the imaginary speech you give Manny--nice t...I like the imaginary speech you give Manny--nice to imagine him saying that.johngoldfinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09322562737172405323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-40118001233682284982008-03-02T09:30:00.000-08:002008-03-02T09:30:00.000-08:00Who the fuck is stopping you? Somebody forcing you...<I>Who the fuck is stopping you? Somebody forcing you to come here and post?</I><BR/><BR/>But but but then we wouldn't know that there are people in the world who do not share our viewpoints.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-49610332124964483392008-03-02T09:24:00.000-08:002008-03-02T09:24:00.000-08:00Theo wasn't there either. There is a little more e...<I>Theo wasn't there either. There is a little more evidence that his absence WAS political, because he has engaged in politically correct behavior before, in the form of being a sychophant of several liberal elites. </I><BR/><BR/>Oh my lord. Oh my fucking lord. Could it not be that Theo actually IS liberal, because that's what he believes? Oh no, he has to be a "sycophant to the elites". <BR/><BR/><I>But, with many of you out there, EVERYTHING is political, so you want to discuss it incessantly. Go ahead.</I><BR/><BR/>Wow, Mugro, thanks! So glad we have your permission.<BR/><BR/>And yes, to some of us, everything is political. When you are a political person, your worldview informs everything you do. So you actually do know something! <BR/><BR/><I>Gone are the days when we could just sit back and enjoy a game of baseball and forget about all the bad shit going on in the world. </I><BR/><BR/>Who the fuck is stopping you? Somebody forcing you to come here and post?laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-19671851246674213362008-03-02T09:06:00.000-08:002008-03-02T09:06:00.000-08:00He never shows up at Spring Training on time (at l...<I>He never shows up at Spring Training on time (at least not until this year).</I><BR/><BR/>This is blantantly untrue. He has almost always been in camp by the reporting date mandated in the CBA.<BR/><BR/><I>he has engaged in politically correct behavior before</I><BR/><BR/>Also known as "expressing his opinion".<BR/><BR/><I>in the form of being a sychophant of several liberal elites</I><BR/><BR/>What drugs are you on? ... And can I have a handful?<BR/><BR/><I>But, at the end of the day, does any of this really matter? Not to me.</I><BR/><BR/>The actual games don't matter either -- at the end of the day.<BR/><BR/>All of what I post here has no real significance -- at the end of the day.<BR/><BR/><I>Gone are the days when we could just sit back and enjoy a game of baseball and forget about all the bad shit going on in the world. It's too bad....</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, the good old days! (mega eye rolling)allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-85783283615065369282008-03-02T08:44:00.000-08:002008-03-02T08:44:00.000-08:00"Re Bush: "I feel good, it made me feel important ..."Re Bush: "I feel good, it made me feel important - the president is thinking about me," said Ramirez with a deep laugh."<BR/><BR/>Now THAT is funny!!! <BR/><BR/>Manny not showing up at the White House. Is that really a surprise to anyone? He never shows up at Spring Training on time (at least not until this year). He takes time off in the middle of the season. He skips the All Star Game. Are these politicals statements? <BR/><BR/>Probably not. But we don't know, do we?? It WAS presumptuous of Donaldson to assume that his absence was political. <BR/><BR/>Theo wasn't there either. There is a little more evidence that his absence WAS political, because he has engaged in politically correct behavior before, in the form of being a sychophant of several liberal elites. <BR/><BR/>But, at the end of the day, does any of this really matter? Not to me. If it doesn't have anything to do with the Red Sox winning the World Series, or with bashing the MFY, then I am not concerned with it. <BR/><BR/>But, with many of you out there, EVERYTHING is political, so you want to discuss it incessantly. Go ahead. <BR/><BR/>Gone are the days when we could just sit back and enjoy a game of baseball and forget about all the bad shit going on in the world. It's too bad....mugrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523894323925888505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-58774572469163412942008-03-02T08:12:00.000-08:002008-03-02T08:12:00.000-08:00What's the issue boycotting the White HouseNo. Not...<I>What's the issue boycotting the White House</I><BR/><BR/>No. Not to me, anyway.<BR/><BR/>I was referring to the subject Redsock originally blogged about, Jim Donaldson's column in ProJo:<BR/><BR/><I>But here's my point (and why this post is actually more about the media): Suppose I'm right. How would Donaldson react if Manny, after touring Walter Reed, gave an impassioned statement about how he believed Bush was solely to blame for the missing arms and legs and eyes of these men and women? What if he had said, to borrow some of Donaldson's own words...<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>Would Donaldson rush to his typewriter to wax patriotic that Ramirez was exercising his right of free speech -- a right that Donaldson, judging from this column, believes is being defending in Iraq?<BR/><BR/>I doubt it. Direct and implied praise for the war is quoted by sportswriters without comment, or with admiration. A statement such as what I wrote above -- while also expressing a political opinion, albeit one from the other side of aisle -- would likely ignite a firestorm.</I><BR/><BR/>I thought that's what we were discussing, not why Manny didn't attend.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-35040392118128007312008-03-02T06:52:00.000-08:002008-03-02T06:52:00.000-08:00L-girl said... I agree with Redsock: declining the...L-girl said... <BR/><BR/>I agree with Redsock: declining the invite twice is likely not a coincidence. <BR/><BR/><BR/>It took this guy how many years to show up to spring training on time?<BR/><BR/><BR/> L-girl said... <BR/><BR/><BR/>9Casey, why Manny didn't go isn't the issue that's being thunk here. You can see that, right? <BR/><BR/><BR/>I am not sure what is being Thunk....It's just not the big of a deal that he didn't show...There is also a thumbs down article in my hometown paper about him not going......<BR/><BR/>What's the issue boycotting the White House......Lets get a bunch of Millionaires to Boycott the White House..They are professional athletes they don't think the way you do or most of the people on this blog...they play baseball for a living..they are adults playing a game and people expect them to have thoughts out of thier fantasy world it's not going to happen........9caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-70440416839412935542008-03-02T05:45:00.000-08:002008-03-02T05:45:00.000-08:00Now I'm just enjoying a daydream where Manny respo...Now I'm just enjoying a daydream where Manny responded to questions with, "Fine. Fine. I promise I'll visit with President Obama when we win it next year."Timmy Machttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07635687139593341472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-20633789825836195242008-03-02T05:42:00.000-08:002008-03-02T05:42:00.000-08:00The two things that interest me most in life are s...<I>The two things that interest me most in life are sports and politics, so why not combine them??</I><BR/><BR/>Well said! Mainecatwoman for President of Red Sox Nation!<BR/><BR/>Tim, love the Wheel of Fortune play. And before someone tells us "it's a free country," <A HREF="http://wmtc.blogspot.com/2006/10/freedom.html" REL="nofollow">do some research</A>.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-35591792457350640122008-03-02T05:35:00.000-08:002008-03-02T05:35:00.000-08:00"And some readers aren't fond of my politics."It's..."And some readers aren't fond of my politics."<BR/><BR/>It's our blogs. We can write whatever we want and screw who doesn't like it. That's the joy of the internet and non-ad-beholden blogging!<BR/><BR/>The two things that interest me most in life are sports and politics, so why not combine them??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-82125897568493149222008-03-01T21:25:00.000-08:002008-03-01T21:25:00.000-08:00Texasgal, I'm glad we cleared up the misunderstand...Texasgal, I'm glad we cleared up the misunderstanding. Your blog is a lot of fun, and many people (including myself) would be very disappointed if it ever changed.<BR/><BR/>"Let's just say if this was Wheel of Fortune, G_S _ND M_TCH_S would be your puzzle with only vowels remaining."<BR/><BR/>Hilarious! Also, isn't it a sad commentary that we actually have to be worried about voicing our opinions like this? I was going to post something similar in another blog (except my fantasy scenario involved the Pres bending over to pick up a dollar bill) but I stopped myself because of similar visions of Gitmo.Maxwell Horsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477334049972185895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-60554846755074872322008-03-01T20:19:00.000-08:002008-03-01T20:19:00.000-08:00I'm pretty sure if I went to the white house and G...I'm pretty sure if I went to the white house and GWB was there....yeah, not going to finish that sentence. I'll probably get sent to Guantanamo due to the Patriot Act....Let's just say if this was Wheel of Fortune, G_S _ND M_TCH_S would be your puzzle with only vowels remaining....yup, definitely getting shipped off in the middle of the night tonight.timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12041184236514293677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-7498481042772586022008-03-01T19:59:00.000-08:002008-03-01T19:59:00.000-08:00Jesus....I think a lot of overthinking is going in...<I>Jesus....I think a lot of overthinking is going into this issue......redsock said it best in the post when he said it was Manny Being Manny.....</I><BR/><BR/>9Casey, why Manny didn't go isn't the issue that's being thunk here. You can see that, right? <BR/><BR/><I>To think Manny is staging some kind of protest by not going seems farfetched.....</I><BR/><BR/>I agree with Redsock: declining the invite twice is likely not a coincidence. <BR/><BR/>Just b/c Manny acts like a dimwit doesn't mean he has no opinions. He may strongly dislike the Resident and figures the best thing to do is stay home. <BR/><BR/>After all, Manny grew up in NYC, the Dominican community (like almost every other community in my hometown) can't stand the Republicans. <BR/><BR/>(Hey Colin, did you catch that? <B>Manny grew up in NYC!</B>)laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-77420539829858674142008-03-01T19:53:00.000-08:002008-03-01T19:53:00.000-08:00Are you telling me I'm not going to be able to for...<I>Are you telling me I'm not going to be able to force you to blog about the Dallas Cowboys?! Dang! :)</I><BR/><BR/>What is this "Dallas Cowboys" you speak of? Some tribe of bovine-loving young men who hail from the Republic of Texas, I suppose.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-81290603247112770542008-03-01T19:51:00.000-08:002008-03-01T19:51:00.000-08:00I think 9casey is right. I don't think Manny has ...I think 9casey is right. I don't think Manny has given Bush a second's thought. He is just focused on baseball and being Manny.<BR/><BR/>Donaldson's column is disgusting no matter what Manny's motives were. How can we judge someone's patriotism based on a failure to visit the most unpatriotic president I can remember? If we define patriotism as defending the values on which the US was founded, Bush falls very low and probably off the scale.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720293202890878993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-35362123146631407332008-03-01T19:46:00.000-08:002008-03-01T19:46:00.000-08:00maxwell - whew! You had me worried there.maxwell - whew! You had me worried there.Texyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13238646777041316737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-53193586635393334632008-03-01T19:16:00.000-08:002008-03-01T19:16:00.000-08:00Jesus....I think a lot of overthinking is going in...Jesus....I think a lot of overthinking is going into this issue......redsock said it best in the post when he said it was Manny Being Manny.....<BR/><BR/>To think Manny is staging some kind of protest by not going seems farfetched.....<BR/><BR/>Does anyone really think it went down this way:<BR/>Red Sox PR person: Hey Manny we are all going to the White House<BR/><BR/>Manny: No way , I am against everything this man stands for , so hell no I won't do it...<BR/><BR/>or was it more like this<BR/><BR/>Red Sox PR person: Hey Manny we are all going to the white house...<BR/><BR/>Manny : Cool , have fun .I'll be in the cage..<BR/><BR/><BR/>For a jounalist to actually report this like Manny stood up- soldiers and the President is laughable...In my opinion he could just care less.........9caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-91301120489791538662008-03-01T19:07:00.000-08:002008-03-01T19:07:00.000-08:00"Everyone should blog about whatever they want, an..."Everyone should blog about whatever they want, and not blog about whatever they don't want."<BR/><BR/>Are you telling me I'm not going to be able to force you to blog about the Dallas Cowboys?! Dang! :)Texyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13238646777041316737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-89630801706748018762008-03-01T18:55:00.000-08:002008-03-01T18:55:00.000-08:00Hmmmm, maybe I should've chosen my words more care...Hmmmm, maybe I should've chosen my words more carefully in my original post. I guess what I really meant to say was that it seemed that most blogs (and posts in various forums) that gave an -opinion- (one way or another) concerning how nice or not nice it would be to meet the president, the overwhelming majority made a (perplexing) blanket statement that of course it would be a great thing "no matter ones political views."<BR/><BR/>What was innaccurate in my original post was me implying that such a sentiment was presented in those blogs that merely mentioned the White House visit without bringing up the "Is this an honor or not?" question. Of course, there were many, such as Texas Gal's blog, that simply posted pictures of the Red Sox players in a politically neutral way.<BR/><BR/>TexasGal, my comments on Joy of Sox were in no way meant as a reference to your great blog. I do remember attempting to post something recently in your blog. But it was meant in the spirit of casual/friendly "does this bother anyone else?" one-off comment, rather than any kind of serious indictment or an attempt to start an unfun debate. However, when I went to post, I got an error message and subsequently never saw my post, so I assumed it never went through. Likewise, I didn't even know that you'd made any response to it. I think your blog is great, and it was the furthest thing from my mind when I made my observation/complaint above.Maxwell Horsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13477334049972185895noreply@blogger.com