tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post5770096593864456270..comments2024-03-28T07:19:18.670-07:00Comments on the joy of sox: Lowell: Cell Phone Thiefallanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-25331274027881060812008-07-12T09:32:00.000-07:002008-07-12T09:32:00.000-07:00"Christ, read the words."Please don't compare me t..."Christ, read the words."<BR/><BR/>Please don't compare me to Jesus. The guy clearly has no character, what with his long hair, loose-fitting clothes, powerful wooden stick, and his way of "floating" through life.Jerehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13448619048422750447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-49456455987402088582008-07-11T16:03:00.000-07:002008-07-11T16:03:00.000-07:00If that's for me .they are actually peroids..........<I><BR/>If that's for me .they are actually peroids........</I><BR/><BR/>No, Jack says he could write in the style of anyone here except me. <BR/>I said bullshit (meaning, it's not hard to sound like me) and said you'd have to use dashes -- which I use a lot of.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-48824433946935552642008-07-11T15:18:00.000-07:002008-07-11T15:18:00.000-07:00redsock said... I could write a parody post from a...redsock said... <BR/>I could write a parody post from almost every poster here. <BR/><BR/>(Oh, bullshit. Use some dashes,<BR/><BR/><BR/>If that's for me .they are actually peroids........<BR/><BR/>Manny gets ripped in the media and by Red Sox fans all the time.....and Josh Hamilton is becoming a media and fan darling.....But they both I believe got voted to all star team , we like em bad........9caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-43309820703056121092008-07-11T14:35:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:35:00.000-07:00Where does this come from? I think it's the same r...<I>Where does this come from? I think it's the same reason cops bothered me when I had a mohawk.</I><BR/><BR/>The two are definitely related.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-27992758546319963432008-07-11T14:29:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:29:00.000-07:00Lowell:"If it was his wallet it would have been be...<I>Lowell:<BR/>"If it was his wallet it would have been better ... If it was his wallet I would have kept it in my pocket until the end of the game and then I would have given it back to him."<BR/><BR/>Why can't everyone see the fun in this?</I><BR/><BR/>And why can't someone see that it was LOWELL and Manny had nothing to do with it?!laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-62064994954683258472008-07-11T14:26:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:26:00.000-07:00It's nice that you could parody other commenters, ...It's nice that you could parody other commenters, Jack. I'm sure many people here can do that, too - and sometimes we do, in gamethreads.<BR/><BR/>But self-parody is generally unintentional. That's what makes it either so hilarious or so annoying, or both.<BR/><BR/>Whether or not I'm on a high horse and whether or not I admit it or don't, doesn't change what you wrote and my observations about it.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-70665848001125112172008-07-11T14:22:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:22:00.000-07:00Lowell:"If it was his wallet it would have been be...<A HREF="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/07/caught_stealing.html" REL="nofollow">Lowell</A>:<BR/>"If it was his wallet it would have been better ... If it was his wallet I would have kept it in my pocket until the end of the game and then I would have given it back to him."<BR/><BR/>Why can't everyone see the fun in this?<BR/><BR/>And <A HREF="http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/07/manns_call_from.html" REL="nofollow">this</A>?allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-63621316360861585532008-07-11T14:19:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:19:00.000-07:00Perhaps taking me a biiiit too literally?Not at al...<I>Perhaps taking me a biiiit too literally?</I><BR/><BR/>Not at all. You gave no indication of making a joke.<BR/><BR/><I>I've watched Manny a long time, and I respect his talent, but I wouldn't hire him to manage a hot dog stand, let him babysit my kid, or give him a letter to mail. Do I think this has some bearing on his value to the Red Sox? Damn right.</I><BR/><BR/>And then you said<BR/><BR/><I>Christ, read the words.</I><BR/><BR/>So I did.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-16717267688158071292008-07-11T14:17:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:17:00.000-07:00I could write a parody post from almost every post...<I>I could write a parody post from almost every poster here. Andy? Easy. Casey? No problem. Nixon? Fuck, yes. Jere? Amy? Sure. ... (Except Allan. Haven't figured him out yet.)</I><BR/><BR/>Now that might be a fun exercise.<BR/><BR/>(Oh, bullshit. Use some dashes, praise Pedro, throw in an "apparently" or two and be somewhat reporterly, and there you are.)allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-7665036216513222902008-07-11T14:15:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:15:00.000-07:00Jack: While I do not have the time or inclination ...Jack: While I do not have the time or inclination to do the work, I'll bet a review of your comments this season would reveal a man who does not have much good to say about the 2008 Red Sox.<BR/><BR/>Or maybe you only feel the need to post when things annoy you -- a mindset I certainly understand.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-57243810826594542742008-07-11T14:12:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:12:00.000-07:00Re "How much?"You are right. No consensus there at...Re "How much?"<BR/><BR/>You are right. No consensus there at all. The Yankees, for instance, don't care that much, based on using Sir Sidney.<BR/><BR/>Now off to do a real lecture. I'd rather watch the game, believe me.Jack Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12129607755816264057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-47099440262348558612008-07-11T14:10:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:10:00.000-07:00Perhaps taking me a biiiit too literally?But to an...Perhaps taking me a biiiit too literally?<BR/><BR/>But to answer your question: they don't trust him either. That's the common element.Jack Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12129607755816264057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-53587971307015136152008-07-11T14:09:00.001-07:002008-07-11T14:09:00.001-07:00Baseball people think character matters, and they ...<I> Baseball people think character matters, and they are right.</I><BR/><BR/>Key Q: **How much** does it matter?<BR/><BR/>100%? 68%? 10%?<BR/><BR/>Also, "baseball people" are a varied bunch and do not think alike.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-12837500573315167622008-07-11T14:09:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:09:00.000-07:00I could write a parody post from almost every post...I could write a parody post from almost every poster here. Andy? Easy. Casey? No problem. Nixon? Fuck, yes. Jere? Amy? Sure. And I've been easy to parody since I was 10. The insult is suggesting that I'm any different in that respect from everyone else. (Except Allan. Haven't figured him out yet.)<BR/><BR/>Your horse is at least as high as mine, Laura...you just don't acknowledge it.Jack Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12129607755816264057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-10229574832794895662008-07-11T14:07:00.000-07:002008-07-11T14:07:00.000-07:00I wouldn't hire him to manage a hot dog stand, let...<I>I wouldn't hire him to manage a hot dog stand, let him babysit my kid, or give him a letter to mail. Do I think this has some bearing on his value to the Red Sox? Damn right.</I><BR/><BR/>Why would the Boston Red Sox, in determining Manny Ramirez's value to the franchise, consider your refusal to hire him as hot dog stand manager a worthwhile piece of information?allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-6721321177121005892008-07-11T13:55:00.000-07:002008-07-11T13:55:00.000-07:00(as Laura has said many times, in her own moments ...<I>(as Laura has said many times, in her own moments of self-parody)</I><BR/><BR/>Ooo, snap. Good one, Jack. You sure put me in my place. <BR/><BR/>Or is that poor argument technique? I don't remember.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-52925441705586229622008-07-11T13:53:00.000-07:002008-07-11T13:53:00.000-07:00"you're not really a fan"..."you sound like a paro...<I>"you're not really a fan"..."you sound like a parody of yourself"). Not warranted, and pretty pathetic argument technique, if you ask me.</I><BR/><BR/>It wasn't intended to be an argument technique. It was merely my informed opinion. My observation.<BR/><BR/>An observation I stand by, and which you bolster with every post.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-41439143106304665562008-07-11T13:44:00.000-07:002008-07-11T13:44:00.000-07:00I didn't say he couldn't FIND a mailbox. I said I ...I didn't say he couldn't FIND a mailbox. I said I wouldn't trust him to mail a letter. Christ, read the words.<BR/><BR/>The position popular with some that "character" is just a lot of high-faluting words and unfair expectations is the perverse opinion here, not mine. The "mind-reading" argument is just code for "who are you to judge anyone by their behavior?", an ill-advised social attitide if I ever heard one. I won't annoy Laura by engaging in another "lecture" here (you might place on JOS's dictionary the definition of "lecture" as any discourse on matters---cheating in baseball, unprofessional conduct---that relatesthe conduct of baseball players to standards of conduct that are important off the baseball field), but life requires all of us to make certain assumptions based on experience and analysis, and that indeed, could be way off the mark. Sure: maybe Manny had a headache; maybe he assuemd that last pitch would be wasted. Maybe he did the best he can. Your inclination, Lauram being a professed "If Manny attacks an old guy and knocks him down, there had to be some good reason for it" Manny Right Or Wrong FAN, is to ASSUME he was doing his best. (You have to ASSUME something, you know...because you aren't a mind-reader either---(are you?)) <BR/> My assessment is different, doesn't have a pro-Manny bias (OR anti-Manny: I'd rather have him than not have him), was based on some thought, and is extrapolated from well-known incidents like his taking a vacation for the last month in 2006. <BR/><BR/>For that I get a PERSONAL attack, as I have before ("you sound like an old man"..."you're not really a fan"..."you sound like a parody of yourself"). Not warranted, and pretty pathetic argument technique, if you ask me. Attack the arguer, not the argument. How DARE anyone suggest Mannyisms aren't always cute and cuddly and harmless!!!<BR/><BR/>My interest and enjoyment of the Boston Red Sox has always been anchored to my appreciation of the character (or lack of it) displayed <BR/>by major league players under pressure, carrying the burden of the devotion of fans like those who post here. I'm a professional ethicist, I believe, in part BECAUSE of the Boston Red Sox, so my perspective is a little different. If you don't like it (as Laura has said many times, in her own moments of self-parody) don't read it. Me, I rather enjoy reading stuff I disagree with. Sometimes I learn something.Jack Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12129607755816264057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-562325776026087362008-07-11T12:45:00.000-07:002008-07-11T12:45:00.000-07:00I think Many would be possibly the coolest babysit...I think Many would be possibly the coolest babysitter of all time.<BR/><BR/>And to say he couldn't find a mailbox implies he's unintelligent. Where does this come from? I think it's the same reason cops bothered me when I had a mohawk.Jerehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13448619048422750447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-39341975738164647012008-07-11T08:20:00.000-07:002008-07-11T08:20:00.000-07:00The more glaring fact here is that Jack attempts t...The more glaring fact here is that Jack attempts to get into the head of Manny , and assume he knows what Manny is thinking.......Jack has said , in so many words, time and time again Manny and him don't have the same work ethic or thought process so how can Jack even attempt to break down what Manny is thinking when all of Manny's "antics" are incomprehensible to him?9caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-24328723453593405662008-07-11T07:41:00.000-07:002008-07-11T07:41:00.000-07:00Jack Marshall said... looking like he was thinking...Jack Marshall said... <BR/>looking like he was thinking about large-breasted women during his at bat against Rivera, <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I beleive he was actually thinking about mailing a Hot Dog to your Baby-Sitter.9caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-85145248515834913912008-07-11T07:13:00.000-07:002008-07-11T07:13:00.000-07:00Wait a minute...since when is saying that one has ...<I>Wait a minute...since when is saying that one has an informed opinion a statement that it is better than anyone else's informed opinion? </I><BR/><BR/>It's not. <BR/><BR/>But it's cumulative, Jack. People get tired of being lectured by the ethics police.<BR/><BR/><I> Baseball people think character matters, and they are right.</I><BR/><BR/>We are all baseball people here, Jack. <BR/><BR/>"Character" is a purely subjective, randomly applied, amorphoous category - used when it suits the person making the point, discarded when it doesn't - and often based on pure imagination.<BR/><BR/>Remember, this post was about something goofy that Mike Lowell did. But did you question Lowell's character? No. You called Mike's amusing antics "Mannyitis" and went on to question Manny's character, because you supposedly know what he was thinking during an at-bat.<BR/><BR/>I'm just sick of it.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-75510205936094677902008-07-11T06:56:00.000-07:002008-07-11T06:56:00.000-07:00Wait a minute...since when is saying that one has ...Wait a minute...since when is saying that one has an informed opinion a statement that it is better than anyone else's informed opinion? Obviously I believe in my own opinions. And even in the original post, I didn't assert certainty. I said it looks bad. And I am far from the only observer who suggested Manny looked oddly uninterested in that at bat. Informed means I have something to base it on. That's some kind of claim to infallibility?<BR/><BR/>So if one says, "Lugo sucks," that's being a fan, but if one questions Manny Ramirez based on observation, logic and analysis, that's NOT being a fan. Got it.<BR/><BR/>Line up for your lobotomies, folks.<BR/><BR/>Character is part of the game...part of the game that I enjoy. These guys, as Bill James has written, are paid heroes. I've watched Manny a long time, and I respect his talent, but I wouldn't hire him to manage a hot dog stand, let him babysit my kid, or give him a letter to mail. Do I think this has some bearing on his value to the Red Sox? Damn right. And when the Sox don't pick up his option next season, don't think for a minute these incidents you all brush off---tangling with Youk, knocking down Jack Whathisname, high-fiving the fan, and looking like he was thinking about large-breasted women during his at bat against Rivera, won't have played a part in the decision. Baseball people think character matters, and they are right.Jack Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12129607755816264057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-89014548101095219722008-07-11T06:31:00.000-07:002008-07-11T06:31:00.000-07:00Jack's "Informed Assessement" seems very close to ...Jack's "Informed Assessement" seems very close to mind-reading. Which, unless he has some special powers, is kinda the opposite of "informed".<BR/><BR/>Also: Two of the pitches were borderline, pitches we have all seen Manny take, and called balls. <BR/><BR/>Also 2: Make a list of all major league players you have seen in your life who have NOT looked at what appeared on TV to be a perfect mashable pitch. <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>If your list is not blank, you're lying.allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-9136270928656543492008-07-11T06:02:00.000-07:002008-07-11T06:02:00.000-07:00Patrick said... Agree or disagree, but don't jump ...Patrick said... <BR/><BR/><BR/>Agree or disagree, but don't jump on Jack.<BR/><BR/>Jacks a big boy , He expects to called on his <BR/>Informed Assessement9caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.com