tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post5991373551697930836..comments2024-03-29T04:32:39.897-07:00Comments on the joy of sox: All-Star Game MVP: Drewallanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-81217454156505950982008-07-16T21:11:00.000-07:002008-07-16T21:11:00.000-07:00i love baseball, that is all.i love baseball, that is all.nixon33https://www.blogger.com/profile/03283528172781996570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-89245724205656876462008-07-16T21:10:00.000-07:002008-07-16T21:10:00.000-07:00jeter talked tito's ear off towards the end. I hat...jeter talked tito's ear off towards the end. I hate jeter. Tito may have the flu now. Jeter is a terrorist.andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13080026360873456937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-36806238586360397912008-07-16T20:34:00.000-07:002008-07-16T20:34:00.000-07:00SoSHer thrawnqq:"After 2 decades of Yankee fans di...SoSHer thrawnqq:<BR/>"After 2 decades of Yankee fans dismissing our 'rivalry' as a figment of Red Sox fans imagination, last night was validation that the Yankee Fans have become bitter, angry and pathetic. ... I loved every minute of it. And I am quite sure the Sox players did too."allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-50168977675944248812008-07-16T19:34:00.000-07:002008-07-16T19:34:00.000-07:00L-girl said... Superteam AL vs. Superteam NL.This ...L-girl said... <BR/>Superteam AL vs. Superteam NL.<BR/><BR/>This would be great fun, in its way, too. But it would be so unfair to contending teams. Who wants their pitcher to throw an extra game, maybe not be able to make his next start? Or if a key player got hurt? <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Yeah , you can't forget this is these guys jobs.......I still can't find any fault in the game I watched last night.....what it should be or what it once was it is still entertainment.we as fans sometimes take it all too seriouslly.9caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-2777374393661626612008-07-16T19:30:00.000-07:002008-07-16T19:30:00.000-07:00seriously if drew had pitched i would have dumped ...seriously if drew had pitched i would have dumped jacoby. i really would have.andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13080026360873456937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-71420698863954166372008-07-16T18:43:00.000-07:002008-07-16T18:43:00.000-07:00JoS is very intergenerational. :)JoS is very intergenerational. :)laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-85773033479206911972008-07-16T18:42:00.001-07:002008-07-16T18:42:00.001-07:00That was 1993.My dad always tells me that story. ...<I>That was 1993.</I><BR/><BR/>My dad always tells me that story. I was five, so I didn't watch, nor did I care. I was busy being five.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14809080115678512743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-54660579443355598632008-07-16T18:42:00.000-07:002008-07-16T18:42:00.000-07:00Anybody remember John Kruk's AB against Randy John...<I>Anybody remember John Kruk's AB against Randy Johnson in... ??? what year was that? After taking two completely over-matched swings, he stepped out of the batter's box, turned his helmet the other way, stepped into the other side - right-handed batter's box, even though he hit left - and swung away. It was so funny!</I><BR/><BR/>I liked it when Carlos Zambrano threw a curve over Manny's head last night and Manny came up smiling.<BR/><BR/>You guys are right. What'll Bud think of next? Making Spring Training games count?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14809080115678512743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-49614316647556461802008-07-16T18:40:00.001-07:002008-07-16T18:40:00.001-07:00That was 1993.We feel old!That was 1993.<BR/><BR/>We feel old!laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-4709458048636999742008-07-16T18:40:00.000-07:002008-07-16T18:40:00.000-07:00I wish the game didn't count for anything, or that...<I>I wish the game didn't count for anything, or that people didn't care so that the players would goof off and do silly things (aka have fun).</I><BR/><BR/>I do too! It would be *fun*, which is what it should be.<BR/><BR/>Anybody remember John Kruk's AB against Randy Johnson in... ??? what year was that? After taking two completely over-matched swings, he stepped out of the batter's box, turned his helmet the other way, stepped into the other side - right-handed batter's box, even though he hit left - and swung away. It was so funny!<BR/><BR/><I>Superteam AL vs. Superteam NL.</I><BR/><BR/>This would be great fun, in its way, too. But it would be so unfair to contending teams. Who wants their pitcher to throw an extra game, maybe not be able to make his next start? Or if a key player got hurt? <BR/><BR/>That's why even though it would be cool to see, it can't be done that way. <BR/><BR/>Which means that's why the whole thing should just be a fun exhibition game, period.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-63781606849685815552008-07-16T18:32:00.000-07:002008-07-16T18:32:00.000-07:00Funny how the 9 batters who played the majority of...Funny how the 9 batters who played the majority of the game were for the AL... Drew, Young, Quentin, Guillen, Sizemore, Longoria, Morneau, Kinsler, and Navarro. That's quite the interesting lineup. Most of them actually had 5 plate appearances.<BR/><BR/>NL: Tejada, Uggla, Gonzalez, Wright, Guzman, Hart, Ludwick, McClouth, and Martin. How about a team with those two lineups playing a game against each other? That was one of the things that made last night as fun as it was.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14809080115678512743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-77622769885452596672008-07-16T18:31:00.000-07:002008-07-16T18:31:00.000-07:00I wish the game didn't count for anything, or that...I wish the game didn't count for anything, or that people didn't care so that the players would goof off and do silly things (aka have fun). Like in the basketball all-star game the players just try to do crazy dunks and shit. That's how it should be. That's how I see it, anyways.<BR/><BR/>How disarming would it be if a pitcher all of a sudden decided to lob and underhand toss to a hitter (or some crazy behind the back gyroball)? I think that would be a lot more fun that getting pissed off at Tito for throwing away our chances of WS HFA.<BR/><BR/>The culture of baseball is disappointing sometimes.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04444146300029158202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-69153811189576764402008-07-16T18:25:00.000-07:002008-07-16T18:25:00.000-07:00It'd be interesting to see the ASG be an actual ga...It'd be interesting to see the ASG be an actual game, properly played. Shorten the rosters - have 25 men on each team available, have a starter on regular rest pitch...Have an actual bullpen, etc. Or have the top two or three starting pitchers split six or seven innings, then have a couple of set-up men, a closer, the lot.<BR/><BR/>Have a starting 9, a couple of infield bench guys, a fourth and fifth outfielder, another catcher. So maybe you do have guys who play all nine innings. Superteam AL vs. Superteam NL.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14809080115678512743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-10439949045075458412008-07-16T18:19:00.000-07:002008-07-16T18:19:00.000-07:00Maybe my history is wrong but results make him the...<I>Maybe my history is wrong but results make him the greatest manager in Red Sox history.</I><BR/><BR/>Your history is correct.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-78488013295472289892008-07-16T18:11:00.000-07:002008-07-16T18:11:00.000-07:00L-girl said... I'll never forget (or forgive) the ...L-girl said... <BR/>I'll never forget (or forgive) the way Torre and Brenly managed the 2002 game<BR/><BR/>Seriously? You can't forgive the way an ASG was managed? <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Good Point.I think the only ones who really cared lived in Vegas.<BR/>There are quite of few people out there who don't think of it as an "exhibition " if you can bet on it.<BR/><BR/>And with Jack always harping on Tito....Maybe my history is wrong but results make him the greatest manager in Red Sox history.9caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-25785052373347637682008-07-16T17:37:00.000-07:002008-07-16T17:37:00.000-07:00I'll never forget (or forgive) the way Torre and B...<I>I'll never forget (or forgive) the way Torre and Brenly managed the 2002 game</I><BR/><BR/>Seriously? You can't forgive the way an ASG was managed? <BR/><BR/>Man, you might even out-do Allan in the grudge department. Even if we're only talking in context of baseball, this would hardly seem to rise to the level of unforgiveable.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-21280256585018822892008-07-16T17:32:00.000-07:002008-07-16T17:32:00.000-07:00I think if the ASG is supposed to "count" in any w...I think if the ASG is supposed to "count" in any way, then it should be a true all-star team, made up of the actual best players in each league. No fan voting (popularity contest), no requirement that every team be represented. <BR/><BR/>But OTOH, if you are going to stick with fan voting and requirements about team representation, then that it's an exhibition game, just for fun, nothing more, nothing less. <BR/><BR/>You don't set it up as a fun, exhibition-only game, then put something real (WS HFA) at stake. <BR/><BR/>Not that I think HFA is so important, just the idea of an exhibition game determining anything in a WS is wrong.<BR/><BR/>To me it should be one or the other. MLB tries to split it down the middle, and as usual, gets it completely wrong.laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-13756132048853724862008-07-16T17:26:00.000-07:002008-07-16T17:26:00.000-07:00he was trying to get everyone in, what if was thei...<I>he was trying to get everyone in, what if was their only All Star shot? jeez, people like to complain about anything.</I><BR/><BR/>Indeed.<BR/><BR/>The ASG is utterly meaningless in terms of winning or losing. I like when the AL wins, but I also recognize it's totally meaningless. <BR/><BR/>But for the players, it's an honour to be there. I think it would suck to be named to the team, but not get to play. <BR/><BR/><I>The players on the bench used to be honored just to be named. </I><BR/><BR/>That's an assumption, of course. We don't know what those players were thinking. And if they're asked, of course they're going to say that - it doesn't mean they felt any different than players do now.<BR/><BR/>Back in my day... Hey you kids get off my lawn... Tito is moronic... Oops, how'd that get in there?laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-48095095110236853882008-07-16T17:21:00.000-07:002008-07-16T17:21:00.000-07:00I would refute some of these choice comments, but ...I would refute some of these choice comments, but Allan, 9C and especially Nix have taken care of it already. Funny how Jack's not telling them their argument style is pathetic, or chastising them for sarcasm. Why is that, I wonder...laura khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-7354515244530261612008-07-16T16:34:00.000-07:002008-07-16T16:34:00.000-07:00I actually stayed up all night watching...somewher...I actually stayed up all night watching...somewhere in my little brain hoping Drew and Wright would actually pitch...It was entertaining you can't argue that.There were some great plays some great clutch fielding some great clutch pitching and some great clutch hitting.oh yeah and also Dan Uggla...No one wanted to lose it was hard to watch that game and believe the players actually thought it was only an exhibition.9caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14214364466933716867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-53589795580263959122008-07-16T16:12:00.001-07:002008-07-16T16:12:00.001-07:00"crystal bald head":>)"<I>crystal bald head</I>"<BR/><BR/>:>)allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-22588871620914386622008-07-16T16:12:00.000-07:002008-07-16T16:12:00.000-07:00in all seriousness, i'm sure the played CARE about...in all seriousness, i'm sure the played CARE about whether they get in the game or not.nixon33https://www.blogger.com/profile/03283528172781996570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-14781104666333426672008-07-16T16:04:00.000-07:002008-07-16T16:04:00.000-07:00actually on second thought, you're right Jack. tit...actually on second thought, you're right Jack. tito was terrible. he should have seen into the future that the game was going to last 15 innings. what was he thinking?! <BR/>he should have picked wakefield to the roster to eat up those innings he'd foreseen in his crystal ball, or crystal bald head for that matter!<BR/>youre right, he' too much of a "players manager" and respects the game way too much to try and give his guys on the all star team, some of whom this was probably their only shot to make it to the team, a chance to get into the game. the nerve!<BR/>He should be outlawed from next year's ASG as manager after we win the WS in '08. I hope bud selig is going to fine both managers for their actions last night. makes me think a strike should be coming. This just cannot be tolerated!nixon33https://www.blogger.com/profile/03283528172781996570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-21468795102265318582008-07-16T15:38:00.000-07:002008-07-16T15:38:00.000-07:00I am completely bewildered by Allan's argument tha...<I>I am completely bewildered by Allan's argument that getting everyone in the game trumps the result</I><BR/><BR/>It's a meaningless exhibition. Like a spring training game. That's it. It's not hard to understand.<BR/><BR/><I>some people (like me) actually care about the result, especially after all those years of seeing the AL lose</I><BR/><BR/>There has not been separate AL and NL offices for many years. Inter-league play has destroyed any kind of separation between the two leagues. This is one time I feel justified in saying it's not like it used to be.<BR/><BR/><I>Who the hell cares whether some player gets to play an inning in the game?</I><BR/><BR/>Well, for starters, "some player" might.<BR/><BR/><I>Managers don't use sentiment to decide who's on the field in a World Series...well, managers other than Johnny Mac.</I><BR/><BR/>Suddenly, the ASG is the same as a WS game. How did that happen?<BR/><BR/><I>the best line-ups tended to stay pretty much intact the whole game. ... if Tito had been managing, Williams would have been lifted for some St. Louis Browns outfielder by the 5th inning.</I><BR/><BR/>Look at the rosters of the ASG from the 50s. Starters were often gone in the 5th. <BR/><BR/>I guess that's Tito's fault too. Even though he was born in 1959.<BR/><BR/>Move over MBM, SASAHE and WOTS. Make some roomf or IATF:<BR/><BR/><B>It's All Tito's Fault</B>allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-43443310286730267332008-07-16T14:46:00.000-07:002008-07-16T14:46:00.000-07:00Nixon's objection to the "best record" method is ...Nixon's objection to the "best record" method is dead on. But alternating home advantage was a real non-solution.<BR/><BR/>Using the All-Star Game to determine home-field advantage WORKS---it improves the game, clearly, obviously. I am completely bewildered by Allan's argument that getting everyone in the game trumps the result....again, the game is for the fans, it's a competition, and some people (like me) actually care about the result, especially after all those years of seeing the AL lose. Who the hell cares whether some player gets to play an inning in the game? Managers don't use sentiment to decide who's on the field in a World Series...well, managers other than Johnny Mac. <BR/><BR/>The original idea of the All-Star Game was to have two superteams battle for supremacy of the leagues, and the best line-ups tended to stay pretty much intact the whole game. ESPN's #1 All-Star Game moemnt was Ted Willims' walk-off home run to win the game in 1946. Well, if Tito had been managing, Williams would have been lifted for some St. Louis Browns outfielder by the 5th inning.<BR/><BR/> The players on the bench used to be honored just to be named. Typically three or four starters and one or two relievers pitched. And you didn't have extra-inning games where all the suspense was over whether the managers would run out of players. If the All-Star game is so pointless, why do the players care if they actually play?<BR/>The point is the competition.<BR/><BR/>I agree---there is an inherent conflict in trying to satisfy the players' desire to be in the game and the fan's desire to not have the game end in an infuriating tie after watching the damn thing for four hours. Well, the fans count more.Jack Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12129607755816264057noreply@blogger.com