Blue Jays - 411 010 100 - 8 11 0The Jays struck for four runs in the first for the second night in a row.
Red Sox - 110 000 050 - 7 14 1
Boston rallied furiously with two outs in the eighth, highlighted by J.D. Drew's three-run home run to right-center (that changed the score from 8-4 to 8-7) and had runners on first and second with two outs in the ninth, but Kevin Youkilis was caught looking at strike three.
Toronto smacked six home runs, including three by Adam Lind. Buchholz (5-8-7-1-4, 79) gave up the first one (to Jose Bautista) on his first pitch of the night, and allowed five of the six.
The first three Jays against Clay: HR, 1B, HR. It was the first time a Sox pitcher had allowed two home runs in an inning before recording an out since John Burkett allowed bombs to Jason Giambi and Bernie Williams in the first inning on July 21, 2002. The last player to belt three taters in a game against Boston was Frank Thomas (all off Tim Wakefield, on September 15, 1996).Ricky Romero (4.28, 102 ERA+) / Clay Buchholz (3.21, 147 ERA+)
A win tonight clinches the wild card.
And the Red Sox have seriously abused the rookie Romero in four starts this year: 26 hits and 17 walks in 17.1 innings. He's got an 8.83 ERA and a 2.481 WHIP. Boston has hit .377/.506/.652/1.158 against him.
& @ 10 PM: Rangers/Angels.
So, I was sitting with a few friends in this small jazz club in Harlem (the jam session was quite underwhelming, but never mind...) when my friend, who goes to school in Boston, tells me: "oh, hey, remember I told you I was going to the game on the 29th? One of the girls canceled, so there's an extra ticket". So I'm on the Boltbus to Boston (gotta love the wifi on the bus), on my way to see Fenway for the first time, watch HH throw a masterpiece (he's completely abused the BJ's so far this year...) and clinch that elusive playoff spot. Then back to NY tomorrow morning, and back to Israel the day after.
ReplyDeleteNeedless to say, this makes me happy.
Very cool!
ReplyDeleteWe used to hear jazz at a small Harlem club, near 145th Street I think. Where were you?
We used to hear jazz at a small Harlem club, near 145th Street I think. Where were you?
ReplyDeleteSt. Nick's? 149th and St. Nicholas Ave?
nice! have a swell time.
ReplyDeleteOfer, I wish you the ultimate reek of champagne and beer on the ride back to NY tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteOfer, that's the one. It was especially great because we could go with our then-teenaged nephews and they'd be served w/o ID.
ReplyDeleteHave a great time at the game! Gamethread represent.
L, the place looks great, and my friends tell me other times they've been there the jam session was mouth-gapingly good, and intense. I guess we just fell on a slow night.
ReplyDeleteAnd to the rest of you: I will try my best to finish this thing tonight, for sure, but I think HH's got it covered. I expect a no-hitter through six at least. How cool would it be to see the clincher in my first (and probably last for a while) time at Fenway?
Wifi on a bus? Awesome.
ReplyDeleteConf getting in a Fenway experience before going back to Israel? Double awesome.
Ofer, that is great! I am so excited for you. There is nothing like a first trip to Fenway. It never disappoints. And if the Sox win--WOW--what a memorable first time to be at Fenway.
ReplyDeleteMy daughter Maddy will be there, if they let her out of work (they'd better or she might quit, which would be bad). Where are you sitting? I am not sure where her seats are, but can find out.
Have a great time!
ALC getting tight.
ReplyDeleteTwins win Game 1 3-2 in 10. Tigers' lead down to 1.
They play again tonight!
Ofer's in from Israel at the game on 9/29, and I'm in from the West Coast at the game on 10/1. I think the game I'm attending is not going to mean much, but it's my first game at Fenway in 10 years.
ReplyDeleteI actually don't have tickets yet for Thursday, but am hoping that after tonight's clinch, finding tickets on Thursday won't be hard?
You guys are lucky - I'm so glad for you. I'm still trapped in Indiana. grrrr. But hey if it's the Sox v the Cards again I'll be there for the WS, just like 04! Though I picked game 3 to be at, not game 4 - aargh.
ReplyDeleteOh, and Allan, I just bought Infinite Jest yesterday. In the past two years, I've only gone against my decision to never buy new books twice: this one, and A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again.
ReplyDeleteExtra Oatmeal
ReplyDeleteRed Sox
1. Jacoby Ellsbury CF
2. Dustin Pedroia 2B
3. Victor Martinez C
4. Kevin Youkilis 3B
5. David Ortiz DH
6. Jason Bay LF
7. J.D. Drew RF
8. Casey Kotchman 1B
9. Alex Gonzalez SS
-- Clay Buchholz SP
Blue Jays
1. Jose Bautista RF
2. Aaron Hill 2B
3. Adam Lind DH
4. Vernon Wells CF
5. Lyle Overbay 1B
6. Rod Barajas C
7. Kevin Millar 3B
8. Travis Snider LF
9. John McDonald SS
-- Ricky Romero SP
The word clinch seems related to sphincters to me. It's all my dirty mind can think of.
ReplyDeleteI just bought Infinite Jest yesterday.
ReplyDeleteYAY!
Is the anniversary edition still only $10?
Time for baseball! I hope we clinch tonight for lots of reasons, especially since Maddy will be there to witness it, as well as Ofer. And it makes it more likely that Westcoastsox will get a ticket for tomorrow without having to refinance his house.
ReplyDeleteI am glad Tek isn't playing. Not only because he has been totally useless, but also so I don't have to hear all the hate directed at him.
ReplyDeletebut also so I don't have to hear all the hate directed at him.
ReplyDeleteSorry.
WTF???
ReplyDeletewell how about that.
ReplyDeleteNot an auspicious start....
ReplyDeleteBuffy nearly had an orgasm on that first pitch dong.
ReplyDeleteBuffy says
ReplyDelete"Buck Holes"
or
"Buckles"
Consistency is what we crave from our #3. Yaaaaaagh!
ReplyDeletewhat is with the guy with the ump mask behind the screen making calls in tandem with the home ump?
ReplyDeletehe's above the wise chips eye on the right
"Else Perry"
ReplyDeleteHOLY SHIT.
ReplyDeleteI am wondering whether WCS will get to see the clinch. I know, I know, it's just the first inning. BUT....
ARRGGHHH.
we've treated romero worse than hitler this year. i'm not worried.
ReplyDeleteI have to wonder if the Jays got HH's fastball timed somehow before the game.
ReplyDeleteGolf Clap for Cabin Boy.
ReplyDeletedidn't you know how much I loved you!!!
ReplyDeleteYOUK!!!
It occurred to me today that we could lose every game remaining and still get the WC. Not that I want to go in like that, but, still. Texas has really pooped it up out there, and there's no other contenders ready to step up.
ReplyDeleteSay what you like about the Braves, but their run is pretty exciting.
I am glad Tek isn't playing. Not only because he has been totally useless, but also so I don't have to hear all the hate directed at him.
ReplyDeletehmm, I wouldn't call it hate as much as a visceral dislike.
buffyvision tells us on screen that was "millar's 14th double of the season"
ReplyDelete?
I am really NOT enjoying baseball lately... When did we last win a game?
ReplyDeleteJuly?
ReplyDeleteThe comeback starts now!!!
ReplyDeletefinally! redemption time.
ReplyDeleteWin it for Ofer! Win it for Maddy! Win it for my delicious dinner!
It feels that way. Poor Ofer---I hope this game picks up for his sake. It would be terrible to see a rout on your first trip to Fenway (or any trip).
ReplyDeletedear sox: if this is what you need to get all the suck out of your systems before next week, okay.
ReplyDeleteotherwise, wake up and play good ball now.
4 runs before we even bat once? F! OK, and now my wife just ate catfood.. and she's washing it down with red wine. Wow, this night's not starting out well.
ReplyDeleteradio factoid: last time the sox allowed 2 HR in an inning before there was anyone out?
ReplyDeletejuly 2002, when the napkin allowed dongs to HGH and peanuthead.
nice play, fuckhead.
ReplyDeleteCatfood? Does that go well with red wine?
ReplyDeleteThe word clinch seems related to sphincters to me.
ReplyDeleteI believe you're thinking of "clench".
That's a start.
ReplyDeleteDP!
ReplyDeleteHeh, I saw Matty's DP and thought I had missed a double play. Thankfully not.
ReplyDeleteScore 4 more and I will feel better.
ReplyDeleteI've never eaten cat food before, so I'll have to ask. ... nope, the official word is that cat food does not go well with red wine. Word to the wise, people.
ReplyDeleteWhy did FY go home? How are we going to get more runs if there's only one guy on instead of two for Youk? I don't get it.
ReplyDeleteDP = Dustin Pedroia. It's my own little thing.
ReplyDeleteV-Mart!
Ok, I'll bite - "was the catfood an appetizer?"
ReplyDeleteAmy said...
ReplyDeleteHeh, I saw Matty's DP and thought I had missed a double play. Thankfully not.
I thought the same thing! I looked up at the TV in a bit of a panic for a moment there.
re: DP. Sorry to scare everyone.
ReplyDeleteThe cat food was accidental. There was a bowl of it next to my wife's soup and she absentmindedly took a spoonful from the wrong bowl. (yes the cat eats from a bowl on the counter)
Finally I've decided to stay in and watch a game and THREAD! Although I've just been lurking so far.
ReplyDeleteIsh lurketh.
So what does cat food taste like? Having had cats all my life, I have often had the opportunity but never the desire to taste it!
ReplyDeleteIsh - what did you think of the Kessel trade?
ReplyDeleteMy wife says the cat food tasted like sardines. She said it was pretty disgusting (no offense to anyone who likes sardines).
ReplyDeleteDon and Remy's mics aren't working.
ReplyDeleteThis is HEAVEN!! It's baseball, crowd noise, and that's it!!!
Hmm, guess I will continue not to taste the cat food (though my cats eat the dry stuff so it probably is not as gross).
ReplyDeleteOK, HH, settle down and do not give up any more runs.
s1c, I thought it was bullshit, but it had to be done because of the salary cap.
ReplyDeleteHopefully Kessel sucks from now on.
I wouldn't mind seeing Lucic send him through the glass.
Is anyone up in the pen? This is ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteOk, do you guys think you could stop giving up the 4b's?
ReplyDeleteMy cat eats dry food too (good organic stuff from Canada!), but when I met my wife she started feeding my cat the wet food, and now the cat likes it and begs for it. Exciting, I know.
ReplyDeleteFuck! This homer bullshit needs to stop!
good thing we're not playing the jays in the playoffs.
ReplyDeletei ate some of the dogs' healthy treats. hard dry biscuit type things. figured it would go good with tea. was not bad.
ReplyDeleteWow, we only gave up ONE run that inning!! Things are looking up!
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't mind seeing Lucic send him through the glass.
ReplyDeleteEvery time they play his team he should be put through the glass in the 1st period.
The ingredients in my pets' foods all sound good, but still---just NOT tempted.
ReplyDeleteS1c, Ish: HOCKEY???
ReplyDeleteThere was a bowl of it next to my wife's soup and she absentmindedly took a spoonful from the wrong bowl.
ReplyDeleteThis sounds very amusing.
I once read that pet foods have a higher salt content than necessary because the humans owners who taste it like it saltier. No idea if that's true, though.
ReplyDeleteS1c, Ish: HOCKEY???
ReplyDeleteyep, bruins, opening game this week.
Busy week, clinching of play off spot, opening game of the bruins and oh yeah, saturday the big 25 for bh and I
i ate some of the dogs' healthy treats. hard dry biscuit type things. figured it would go good with tea. was not bad.
ReplyDeleteI was about to mention this.
This wasn't regular store-bought Milk Bones, which they eat every day. It was high-end doggie baked goods that we occasionally succumb to. They smell great, but I still wouldn't eat one.
Allan was happy to chomp away.
the table is set.
ReplyDeleteHockey season starts on Thursday.
ReplyDeleteWho the hell replaced Buch with Byrd while we weren't looking?
ReplyDelete"I once read that pet foods have a higher salt content than necessary because the humans owners who taste it like it saltier. No idea if that's true, though."
ReplyDeleteI think that's why you'll never see mouse flavored cat food.
s1c, congrats, that's very cool. i remember your anniversary is during the post-season.
ReplyDeleteI love that the Red Sox are rallying and we're all more interested in the content of cat foods.
ReplyDeletere: Wife eating cat food. Yes, it was quite amusing. I try not to make a practice of laughing at my wife, but in this case I made an exception.
OK, two on for... do we have a nickname for Kotchman?
"I once read that pet foods have a higher salt content than necessary because the humans owners who taste it like it saltier. No idea if that's true, though."
ReplyDeleteThis is true for crappy dog food. It's thought that higher salt content will get them to eat more.
High quality dog food is salt-free.
grrrr...
ReplyDeletethose yummy dog treats also had some yogurt-based icing. should have bought a dozen for myself.
ReplyDeleteactually according to IIams the salt content is based on keeping the cells healthy fluid level.
ReplyDeleteAmy, our excellent dogwalker is moving out of the area. :(
ReplyDeleteShe's terrific - we love her. She's moving in December, possibly temporarily, but possibly permanently. Boo hoo!
Kotchman better not play much in the playoffs. And for the sake of all of your sanitys, I don't suggest you look up Adam LaRoche's OPS since he was traded.
ReplyDeleteAlright, keep chipping away.
actually according to IIams the salt content is based on keeping the cells healthy fluid level.
ReplyDeleteMaybe that's true for Iams. I know the really low-budget dog foods are highly salty, to an unhealthy degree.
while i am intrigued at the fact that there have been runs scored in every half inning, i'd like to see a 0 for the jays now.
ReplyDeleteLaura, that's terrible. Did she let you know from the start she would be moving?
ReplyDeleteS1C, congrats on the anniversary.
Ish, hockey is not a sport I follow. Sorry.
As for the pet food, I am still not interested in tasting it!
Did we just get the leadoff guy out? Yay!
ReplyDelete'at's my kid. "sigh, another in-game commercial?"
ReplyDeleteAmy, she gave us plenty of notice - told us now for late December - can't ask for more than that. She's young and is figuring out what direction she wants to go. I wouldn't have expected her to tell me this when we first hired her.
ReplyDeleteFortunately she does want to stay over when we're away for US Thanksgiving. That's a huge help. But shortly after that I have to find someone new.
We've had SO many dogwalkers over the past few years! We're lucky both our dogs are so agreeable and adaptable, unlike some earlier family members.
"sigh, another in-game commercial?"
ReplyDeleteYay Emma
Boo Buchholz
ReplyDeleteOK, I have had it with HH.
ReplyDeleteutterly unhumorous.
ReplyDeleteFUCK! This needs to stop!!
ReplyDeleteI'm getting way too worked up about a game that doesn't really matter...
I hope you have as good fortune finding her replacement. I shudder at that the thought of having to replace Maggie, who has been our sitter since some time in the 1980s. Boy, are we spoiled. She is taking Cassie to her house this weekend, since we no longer live down the street. She will come check on the cats once a day. Not ideal, but at least we know she is reliable and loves our pets as if they were her own.
ReplyDeletere: hockey. I'm a Caps fan (grew up in DC). Hope you won't hold that against me. Actually, I'm going to be at the Caps opening night this Saturday. They're playing Toronto, so you're boy will be there. Maybe Ovechkin can crush him for you.
ReplyDeleteSeriously, whats the deal with all the homers? This is ridiculous!
amy and l-girl, thanks for the congrats. This year we get to spend our anniversary in that scenic little town called poughkeepsie (parents weekend)
ReplyDeleteCaps fan? No worries.
ReplyDeleteThree NHL teams I really don't like: Canadiens, Rangers, and Red Wings.
re: hockey. I'm a Caps fan (grew up in DC). Hope you won't hold that against me.
ReplyDeleteLast time I checked this was not a Bruins blog, so I wouldn't worry.
Three NHL teams I really don't like: Canadiens, Rangers, and Red Wings.
ReplyDeleteCan understand the Canadiens and Rangers but what do you have against the Wings?
c'mon, get this train moving.
Those three teams are all Yankee-esque. Rangers for being in New York and Madison Square Garden... Canadiens for the HISTORY and the TRADITION and all the friggen championships, and the Wings because they seem to always put an uber-team on the ice.
ReplyDeleteoff to prepare for emma's bedtime.
ReplyDeleteruns, please. massive, humiliating rivers of red sox runs.
What does it mean when there are more hockey comments than baseball comments?
ReplyDeleteWhat does it mean when there are more hockey comments than baseball comments?
ReplyDeletea - boredom
b - hockey season is coming
c - laugher in either direction
d - all of the above
you can vote
I have gamecast on so, please, someone tell me that Dustin Pedroia didn't just get thrown out trying to steal third base with two outs and David Ortiz at the plate?
ReplyDeleteSorry, Matty. Gameday did not lie.
ReplyDeleteL-girl: I vote for "hockey season is coming"!
ReplyDeleteI will take option D.
ReplyDeleteThat was the first half inning where nobody scored.
ReplyDeletemattyx2 - i see you are in good position in the W-L contest, though it would go to the 2nd tiebreaker.
ReplyDeleteWhat does it mean when there are more hockey comments than baseball comments?
ReplyDeleteIt means the Sox are losing to a team that they have no business losing a game to and instead of bitching and moaning we are using our time productively.
Or boredom
productive boredom :)
ReplyDeleteRed Sock: Winning would be awesome! You don't by chance have this game on DVD, do you? I was lucky enough to see it in person:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS200006080.shtml
i think so. all my stuff is boxed up (flood) so don't celebrate yet.
ReplyDeleteI wonder what month it will be when the basement renovation is finished and we have the whole house again.
ReplyDeleteWhen is the basement supposed to be done? What have they done so far?
ReplyDeleteyes, i do have it. for sure.
ReplyDeletei think so.
ReplyDeleteYay!!
all my stuff is boxed up (flood) so don't celebrate yet.
Doh!
if it weren't for the tequila and pretty senorita's I'd have no reason to stay.
ReplyDeleteLets score some fragging runs!!!
Capitalize, please.
ReplyDeleteyes, i do have it. for sure.
ReplyDeleteVery cool. And too perfect. Now I probably won't win.
I have no idea when it's supposed to be done. Landlord decided to use this as an excuse to upgrade the bathroom - which we don't care about - so we're waiting for the fixtures he ordered to come in.
ReplyDeleteWhat's been done - some demolition.
time for seabass to hook one.
ReplyDeleteKotchman is killing us. Not that it matters...
ReplyDeletei made a list of what games i am burning, but that also is packed away. will be a bit of a project finding it.
ReplyDeletefuckety
ReplyDeletesasahe - it's not just for the cactus anymore.
ReplyDeleteDamn, a squander.
ReplyDeleteThat is frustrating, A & L, regarding the basement. Any news on the rent reduction request?
I'm not sure what my W/L total guess was.
ReplyDeletefb up - creamed.
ReplyDeletetoronto dong jays.
Is the fucking wind blowing out?
ReplyDeletegeeze, fucking geeze
Yikes,what the hell is going on with HH?
ReplyDeleteish - 96, same as matty, but your SB guess was 55, and there are others who are closer to 66, so you are out.
ReplyDeletegdgd says 12 mph to RF
ReplyDeleteI can take you for a ride on my big green tractor.
ReplyDeleteScore some fucking runs. NOW
If the wind is carrying their balls out, why isn't it carrying our balls out?
ReplyDeleteAh FUCK. Oh well. And I thought I was being generous with the SB guess.
ReplyDeletei had 53 SB. and 98 wins, which is now not possible.
ReplyDeleteL had only 49 SB! Not much faith.
ReplyDeleteNo offense, but I spent about 2 seconds thinking about my contest entry.
ReplyDeleteLBJ has stolen more than anyone but one person guessed. That was 69.
ReplyDeleteAmy, I see you're not reading wmtc. :)
ReplyDeleteWe're soon due to sign our new lease, so we're going to push for it then. I want one-third off for every month we don't have the whole house, based on having one-third less living area.
it's a quarter after 1 and i'm a little drunk.
ReplyDeleteThis game stunks
Actually, I did see that on wmtc, just forgot the details. I thought the LL was checking his insurance??
ReplyDelete(I have been reading more than commenting lately. Just too busy to get much time on the laptop at home or the desktop at work.)
What was my entry, Allan? I am sure I was too optimistic....except perhaps on the SB.
ReplyDeletemirror needs only the triple
ReplyDeleteI'm only kidding Amy. He was checking with his insurance but that's his question, whether or not it comes out of his pocket. Either way, I'm asking for the same thing.
ReplyDeletemirror needs only the triple
ReplyDeleteAnd two hours from now he will still be needing the triple.
Don't yell at me for being negative, but I am really wondering whether this team has what it takes for the post-season. I am just not feeling it lately.
ReplyDeleteLooks like Ofer and I might have something in common.
ReplyDeleteOur first ever games at Fenway? Would-be wild-card clinchers if they won, and they lose!
amy: 97-65, 49, .325
ReplyDelete(last one was tek's obp)
Amy, I sure can't yell at you, since that's how I felt last year. I questioned whether we were even going to make the post-season last year, then was pretty sure we weren't getting past Tampa. Allan wasn't too happy w/ my attitude.
ReplyDeleteBut it's not good to judge too much by current mood and game.
the contest link is in important stuff on the right, btw.
ReplyDeleteThis team is going to the WS. The WS!!!
ReplyDeleteAt least I wasn't ridiculously optimistic about Tek (though still optimistic, compared to where he is). And I figured LBJ would have sophomore slump.
ReplyDeleteAnd if we go to the WS, of course we win in 4 games. Therefore this team is winning the 2010 WS!!!
ReplyDeleteand then to disneyland(tm)!
ReplyDeleteIf we win the next five games, I am sure my attitude will change. Right now, this team just seems so blah.
ReplyDeleteActually, it would be (R), since I am sure Disneyland is a registered trademark. :)
ReplyDeleteAnyone else listening on the radio? OB & Castig are talking about what breakfast cereals they like.
ReplyDeleteBut on the internet it's always (TM). More of an expression than a fact.
ReplyDeletecabin off the ground!!!
ReplyDeletefucking mirror even flashing the glove like a gold glover tonight. fraggging game
ReplyDeletefuck you travis
ReplyDeleteI hadn't noticed that, Laura. I will have to keep my eyes peeled!
ReplyDeletewell in cases like this it is time to think.
ReplyDeleteI think i'll have another beer.
Allan uses it all the time.
ReplyDeletewe just reloaded our wine glasses.
ReplyDeletewine (aka rally juice).
this is so stupid
ReplyDeletenow i want him to hit a 4th.
ReplyDeletei do.
See now I wish I was listening to O'B and Castig.
ReplyDeleteAdam Lind goes Three Dong Night.
that's rally juice (TM)
ReplyDeleteI can't believe they have six fucking homers... That's it, I'm going to bed. 'night all.
ReplyDeleteWhat is happening behind home plate with the junior umps?
ReplyDeleteStephanie? Must be Tim, eh.
ReplyDeleteandy - i asked that when the game started. a guy put on a mask before the first pitch and was shadowing the ump, putting his right arm out and everything. i don't see him anymore though.
ReplyDeleteThey just went off on the last batter I thought it was a mirror image kind of an error on the screen. I love this team.
ReplyDeletei cannot imagine how giddy buffy must be.
ReplyDeleteThough L says she has heard him call Adam Lind "lint".
adam lint
ReplyDeletejacoby else-perry
clay buckles / buckholes
that's buffyspeak
andy - will you be texting from ANA?
ReplyDeleteThe fake umps are still there. There are two of them. And the NESN audio picks up their strike calls! I love it.
ReplyDeleteI love when there's a foul ball. They get up, put their hands up, then dig in their pockets for a new ball.
just saw 'em on the K. they are a bit out of our screen though
ReplyDeletewhat on earth are those guys doing? i wish someone would tell us.
ReplyDeletewhat on earth are those guys doing? i wish someone would tell us.
ReplyDeletebeing goofy kids enjoying a Sox game at fenway and getting people to talk about those two idiots behind home plate. Andy Warhol rules.
alive.
ReplyDeletemaybe.
Maybe Ofer and Maddie will witness the Yom Kippur Miracle.
ReplyDeleteOne can always hope for miracles...but how many can Maddy witness? She was there for the Mother's Day miracle.
ReplyDeleteLike I said, not likely.
Or not.
ReplyDeletedead.
ReplyDeleteToo bad about that DP...
ReplyDeleteMaddy's text message: "They can make a comeback in the ninth!"
ReplyDeletetell maddy to go talk to those faux umps and get their story.
ReplyDeleteThat was damn close!
ReplyDeletegood thing papi didn't hit a rally-killer there
ReplyDeleteMaddy is likely near the bleachers. Her ticket was $35. I wonder where Ofer is?
ReplyDelete