This Halloween, Jason Varitek gave trick-or-treaters something infinitely more valuable than a king-sized Snickers bar. The Red Sox captain sat in a lawn chair at the top on his driveway and handed out autographs, signing baseballs, hats, shirts, pillow cases stuffed with candy, and a green alien glove from a youngster's costume. ...
The Variteks had a small Halloween gathering at their home that included the families of two other Red Sox players - third baseman Mike Lowell and Doug Mirabelli, another catcher. After the guests left, Varitek's oldest daughter, Aly, 7, had an idea: Dad should go out and sign autographs while she handed out Butterfinger candy bars.
Touch of class Captain. That's what a real champ does. Props to Tek for being so generous...though a Butterfinger from the Captain is almost just as good as an autograph.
Surprise, surprise - Amy found the piece about Tek :) So, do you have an alert built into your internet system that spots Tek references or what? JK Amy, you know I've got a major soft spot for him myself. My favorite kids on my LL teams almost always end up being my catchers, too. Because my kid caugt, at least until he was too old to get awawy with being a left-handed catcher? Because I inevitably work with my strongest leader types to be catchers? Who knows, probably a little of both. I fully understand that in this day and age almost no one will be a career player with their team, but I hope Tek gets to finish his with the Sox
LG - undoubtably because they're both free agents who probably won't be back. The whole, "great team players, bonding together, don't mess with the chemistry" thing, you know? I love that aspect of a player and wish that it could be a major factor in choosing who to resign. It's a shame that baseball has become such a business, like any other, that you can't really factor those things into the decision. But that, unfortunately, is the reality, and to be successful, the decision makers have to act accordingly.
I had seen this story before Allan posted it (but he did post it) since I read all the Globe Sox stories every morning.
I have always had a thing for catchers. Carlton Fisk was my favorite Sox player when I first became a fan, and when I was a Mets fan in the 60s, believe it or not, Jerry Grote was my favorite (I bet no one here even remembers him). I think I like that the catcher is the strategy person, the thinker? Maybe I just think they look cute in all that gear? Who knows!
Clearly, Tek wants Lowell to stay, as he was holding that sign up during the parade. So they obviously are friends. And I guess catchers have a special bond, so not surprising that Mirabelli would be at his house.
The whole, "great team players, bonding together, don't mess with the chemistry" thing, you know? I love that aspect of a player and wish that it could be a major factor in choosing who to resign.
I think it is, to a point. But the player in question also has to have good baseball-playing skills.
And when a team gets new players, we suddenly discover new chemistry guys -- like Tavarez. Who would have thought that about him prior to 2005?
For some reason, I really liked Bob Montgomery when I first started listening to the Red Sox. As Fisk's backup, and at the tail end of his career at that point, he didn't play that much, but in my mind, he always seemed to get a couple of hits whenever he played.
Clearly, that was not the case, but I'm surprised to see that he hit .300 in 1977 and .349 in 1979.
Hell, on July 4, 1979, Monty was hitting .421! Maybe I was right!!!
Of course, Fisk sealed the deal for me, hitting that home run in Game 6. Who couldn't love a man jumping like a little boy, waving the ball fair with his arms?
I also always liked Johnny Bench and Mike Piazza, even though I never rooted for their teams. Can't say Posada does a thing for me though....
The whole, "great team players, bonding together, don't mess with the chemistry" thing, you know? I love that aspect of a player and wish that it could be a major factor in choosing who to resign.
You do? You don't want the best possible team on the field? You prefer goodwill and laughs?
It's a shame that baseball has become such a business, like any other
And when, in your opinion, did it become that? If your answer is anything other than 1895 or thereabouts, you need to read up on your baseball history.
Sorry to sound harsh, Sosock, but these happy times that you long for never existed.
Is there any baseball reason that Mirabelli should stay on the Red Sox? Anything at all? The man is dead weight. And in case you haven't noticed, he's not even very good at catching the knuckleball!
I am with SoSock on the team spirit thing. Yes, I want a team that wins, but given the choice between a team with players who act like teammates and a team like the Yankees with lots of talent and no team spirit, yeah, I would rather have the former. Winning isn't everything. Not for me.
Let's call it 1869, when Harry Wright put together baseball's first fully professional team -- the 1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings. Wright also played CF and was the manager.
team like the Yankees with lots of talent and no team spirit, yeah, I would rather have the former. Winning isn't everything. Not for me.
First, I should clarify that winning is certainly not everything for me when it comes to being a fan. But I think it should be the only thing when it comes to front-office decisions about constructing a team.
Secondly, everyone uses the Yankees as a shorthand for a team with no cohesion or friendliness. In their current incarnation, they do seem that way.
But the winning Yankees teams were not like that at all. There was tremendous cohesion and chemistry in 1996, 98, 99.
It's not like all Yankee teams have been are like the 2007 variety - nor all Red Sox teams like 2004. (Remember 25 players, 25 cabs...?)
Could it be possible that winning creates chemistry more than the other way around?
Could it be possible that winning creates chemistry more than the other way around?
Interesting point, and I am sure there is truth to that. Plus I am sure that what fans perceive is not necessarily the reality of the clubhouse. We see happy winning players. Maybe they hate each other once the games are over. Hard to know.
But I do look at the recent Yankee teams, made up of expensive imports like Sheffield, Rodriguez, Giambi, etc., and think that that is no way to build a team. It seems better to bring young players up from the minors who develop a sense of team loyalty than to risk lots of money to buy superstars who will be gone as soon as more money is available elsewhere.
I know money rules the world---I just hate that it does.
To me the perfect example of hard reality and the desire to win over goodwill and sentiment was the Nomar deal. That told me what I needed to know about this FO. I will always love and admire them for having the guts to do that.
But I do look at the recent Yankee teams, made up of expensive imports like Sheffield, Rodriguez, Giambi, etc., and think that that is no way to build a team.
I agree that the Yankees have been poorly built. But not only because players were expensive and imported.
Current Red Sox imports include Beckett, Schilling, and Manny.
Yeah, you got me there. I am without a response (a rarity for me!).
So...perhaps it's all in the front office's ability to pick the right people who will blend well with the team, the manager's ability to bring those individuals together, and the luck of the draw.
I don't know. I just hate it when players I like leave the team. As I have already established, I am a sentimentalist and would love for players like Tek and Ortiz and Manny to play out their careers in Boston and for the youngsters like Pedroia, LBJ, Papelbon, Lester, etc., to be here for the duration as well. Totally unrealistic, I know, but a girl can dream, no?
As I have already established, I am a sentimentalist and would love for players like Tek and Ortiz and Manny to play out their careers in Boston and for the youngsters like Pedroia, LBJ, Papelbon, Lester, etc., to be here for the duration as well. Totally unrealistic, I know, but a girl can dream, no?
If Ortiz was playing for another team, that would not be cool. At all. But I guess he might at the end of his career. Better for him to retire with his 6 rings when the Sox don't want him DHing anymore!
I guess Varitek counts as a Red Sox lifer, though he did come over as a minor leaguer from Seattle in a trade.
I just hate it when players I like leave the team.
I think that's what it comes down to, for you and a lot of people. In a sense, that's your "job" as a fan. IMO, it's the FO's job to ignore fan sentiment and do what needs to be done.
But the winning Yankees teams were not like that at all. There was tremendous cohesion and chemistry in 1996, 98, 99.
There were also a lot of players from the farm system on those teams: CI, Peanuthead, Fruitbat, Dumbo, Pettitte ...
What, no name for Toucan Sam?
Yes, absolutely. Of course, anti-Yankees fans still complained about the Yankees unfair advantage in those days, too, but they had to construct a different argument.
I completely agree that the current Yankees are a collection of parts that don't seem to mesh. That's one of the things that drove me away.
But don't think anyone wants to see the Red Sox with only home-grown players. We'd be missing a lot.
Manny, Ortiz, Lowell, Schilling, Beckett, Wakefield, Dice, Okajima, Pedro, Damon, Mueller, Millar, Arroyo, Foulke ... and many more.
I wasn't even counting Ortiz because he was such a bargain, since he hadn't yet developed into the player he is now.
But in general, the list shows why this particular theme in the "Red Sox are better than Yankees" playbook strikes me as just so much b/s.
Sox fans hate A-Rod, fine, so be it, but if the Red Sox decide to go after him, they are no more or less like the Yankees than they were the day before that decision.
As I recall, I was upset by the Nomar deal at first. He was one of those players that seemed to be destined to be in Boston forever. Of course, in retrospect I know it was the right deal. It got us the 2004 title. Then I was mad the Sox let Cabrera go.
So...yeah, I get it. I just don't always like it. And I still really don't like the idea of ARod on the team. Other players would not upset me the same way. I was happy to get Beckett, Schilling, Dice K. It's just the ARod thing that really sticks in my craw.
As I recall, I was upset by the Nomar deal at first. He was one of those players that seemed to be destined to be in Boston forever. Of course, in retrospect I know it was the right deal. It got us the 2004 title. Then I was mad the Sox let Cabrera go.
So...yeah, I get it.
I suspected that might be the case, that's why I asked. You're a good fan. I want the front office to be more than a good fan.
1.5yrs ago Tek was in Disneyland while playing in that silly World Games, or whatever it's called, in Anaheim.
I was sporting my Sox cap and I noticed him first due to his Rolex Submariner (my dream watch). He must have felt me checking it out, I look up from about 10 feet and we lock eyes.
Then, in amazement in who I'm looking at, pausing for a second, give him a head-bob and say, "Hey Tek."
My wife turns to me and says, "Do you know that guy?" I stammer out, "Huh, he's the catcher for the Red Sox, V-Tek."
If I wasn't so shocked at who I just saw I would have had him signed something.
I give kudos to the captain that is just about the coolest thing you could ever do for a kid, my son would have loved to have been one of those kids who had their pillowcase autographed. Too bad we don't live there.
As you might imagine, I loved this story. If I had known, I would have hired a few little kids and gone trick or treating in Waban the other night....
ReplyDeleteTouch of class Captain. That's what a real champ does. Props to Tek for being so generous...though a Butterfinger from the Captain is almost just as good as an autograph.
ReplyDeleteI don't think people should be dissing the king sized snickers.
ReplyDeleteI don't think people should be dissing the king sized snickers.
ReplyDeleteNever!!!
Snickers > Tek's Autograph
I'd like to see him trawling his pen across a king-sized snickers. That'd be an autograph to keep!
ReplyDeleteNot that it means anything, but I found it interesting that his small gathering included these two Soxers: Lowell and Mirabelli.
ReplyDeleteThat is awesome.
ReplyDeleteSurprise, surprise - Amy found the piece about Tek :) So, do you have an alert built into your internet system that spots Tek references or what?
ReplyDeleteJK Amy, you know I've got a major soft spot for him myself. My favorite kids on my LL teams almost always end up being my catchers, too. Because my kid caugt, at least until he was too old to get awawy with being a left-handed catcher? Because I inevitably work with my strongest leader types to be catchers? Who knows, probably a little of both.
I fully understand that in this day and age almost no one will be a career player with their team, but I hope Tek gets to finish his with the Sox
Very cool.
ReplyDeleteI found it interesting that his small gathering included these two Soxers: Lowell and Mirabelli.
ReplyDeleteWhy?
LG - undoubtably because they're both free agents who probably won't be back.
ReplyDeleteThe whole, "great team players, bonding together, don't mess with the chemistry" thing, you know?
I love that aspect of a player and wish that it could be a major factor in choosing who to resign. It's a shame that baseball has become such a business, like any other, that you can't really factor those things into the decision. But that, unfortunately, is the reality, and to be successful, the decision makers have to act accordingly.
I had seen this story before Allan posted it (but he did post it) since I read all the Globe Sox stories every morning.
ReplyDeleteI have always had a thing for catchers. Carlton Fisk was my favorite Sox player when I first became a fan, and when I was a Mets fan in the 60s, believe it or not, Jerry Grote was my favorite (I bet no one here even remembers him). I think I like that the catcher is the strategy person, the thinker? Maybe I just think they look cute in all that gear? Who knows!
BTW, Mirabelli does nothing for me...
Clearly, Tek wants Lowell to stay, as he was holding that sign up during the parade. So they obviously are friends. And I guess catchers have a special bond, so not surprising that Mirabelli would be at his house.
ReplyDeleteThe whole, "great team players, bonding together, don't mess with the chemistry" thing, you know?
ReplyDeleteI love that aspect of a player and wish that it could be a major factor in choosing who to resign.
I think it is, to a point. But the player in question also has to have good baseball-playing skills.
And when a team gets new players, we suddenly discover new chemistry guys -- like Tavarez. Who would have thought that about him prior to 2005?
For some reason, I really liked Bob Montgomery when I first started listening to the Red Sox. As Fisk's backup, and at the tail end of his career at that point, he didn't play that much, but in my mind, he always seemed to get a couple of hits whenever he played.
ReplyDeleteClearly, that was not the case, but I'm surprised to see that he hit .300 in 1977 and .349 in 1979.
Hell, on July 4, 1979, Monty was hitting .421! Maybe I was right!!!
Of course, Fisk sealed the deal for me, hitting that home run in Game 6. Who couldn't love a man jumping like a little boy, waving the ball fair with his arms?
ReplyDeleteI also always liked Johnny Bench and Mike Piazza, even though I never rooted for their teams. Can't say Posada does a thing for me though....
Nor did Rich Gedman mean anything to me, strangely enough.
ReplyDeleteNor did Rich Gedman mean anything to me, strangely enough.
ReplyDeleteDon't let Jere hear you say that.
The whole, "great team players, bonding together, don't mess with the chemistry" thing, you know?
ReplyDeleteI love that aspect of a player and wish that it could be a major factor in choosing who to resign.
You do? You don't want the best possible team on the field? You prefer goodwill and laughs?
It's a shame that baseball has become such a business, like any other
And when, in your opinion, did it become that? If your answer is anything other than 1895 or thereabouts, you need to read up on your baseball history.
Sorry to sound harsh, Sosock, but these happy times that you long for never existed.
Is there any baseball reason that Mirabelli should stay on the Red Sox? Anything at all? The man is dead weight. And in case you haven't noticed, he's not even very good at catching the knuckleball!
ReplyDeleteCan't say Posada does a thing for me though....
ReplyDeleteA male friend of mine has a huge crush on Posada. I cannot imagine why, but he tells me many men like Dumbo.
I am with SoSock on the team spirit thing. Yes, I want a team that wins, but given the choice between a team with players who act like teammates and a team like the Yankees with lots of talent and no team spirit, yeah, I would rather have the former. Winning isn't everything. Not for me.
ReplyDeleteMen like Dumbo. Hmmm, I could make a sexist (anti-male sexist) comment there, but I will leave it alone.
ReplyDelete1895
ReplyDeleteLet's call it 1869, when Harry Wright put together baseball's first fully professional team -- the 1869 Cincinnati Red Stockings. Wright also played CF and was the manager.
team like the Yankees with lots of talent and no team spirit, yeah, I would rather have the former. Winning isn't everything. Not for me.
ReplyDeleteFirst, I should clarify that winning is certainly not everything for me when it comes to being a fan. But I think it should be the only thing when it comes to front-office decisions about constructing a team.
Secondly, everyone uses the Yankees as a shorthand for a team with no cohesion or friendliness. In their current incarnation, they do seem that way.
But the winning Yankees teams were not like that at all. There was tremendous cohesion and chemistry in 1996, 98, 99.
It's not like all Yankee teams have been are like the 2007 variety - nor all Red Sox teams like 2004. (Remember 25 players, 25 cabs...?)
Could it be possible that winning creates chemistry more than the other way around?
Could it be possible that winning creates chemistry more than the other way around?
ReplyDeleteInteresting point, and I am sure there is truth to that. Plus I am sure that what fans perceive is not necessarily the reality of the clubhouse. We see happy winning players. Maybe they hate each other once the games are over. Hard to know.
But I do look at the recent Yankee teams, made up of expensive imports like Sheffield, Rodriguez,
Giambi, etc., and think that that is no way to build a team. It seems better to bring young players up from the minors who develop a sense of team loyalty than to risk lots of money to buy superstars who will be gone as soon as more money is available elsewhere.
I know money rules the world---I just hate that it does.
To me the perfect example of hard reality and the desire to win over goodwill and sentiment was the Nomar deal. That told me what I needed to know about this FO. I will always love and admire them for having the guts to do that.
ReplyDeleteBut I do look at the recent Yankee teams, made up of expensive imports like Sheffield, Rodriguez,
ReplyDeleteGiambi, etc., and think that that is no way to build a team.
I agree that the Yankees have been poorly built. But not only because players were expensive and imported.
Current Red Sox imports include Beckett, Schilling, and Manny.
Yeah, you got me there. I am without a response (a rarity for me!).
ReplyDeleteSo...perhaps it's all in the front office's ability to pick the right people who will blend well with the team, the manager's ability to bring those individuals together, and the luck of the draw.
I don't know. I just hate it when players I like leave the team. As I have already established, I am a sentimentalist and would love for players like Tek and Ortiz and Manny to play out their careers in Boston and for the youngsters like Pedroia, LBJ, Papelbon, Lester, etc., to be here for the duration as well. Totally unrealistic, I know, but a girl can dream, no?
As I have already established, I am a sentimentalist and would love for players like Tek and Ortiz and Manny to play out their careers in Boston and for the youngsters like Pedroia, LBJ, Papelbon, Lester, etc., to be here for the duration as well. Totally unrealistic, I know, but a girl can dream, no?
ReplyDeleteIf Ortiz was playing for another team, that would not be cool. At all. But I guess he might at the end of his career. Better for him to retire with his 6 rings when the Sox don't want him DHing anymore!
I guess Varitek counts as a Red Sox lifer, though he did come over as a minor leaguer from Seattle in a trade.
But the winning Yankees teams were not like that at all. There was tremendous cohesion and chemistry in 1996, 98, 99.
ReplyDeleteThere were also a lot of players from the farm system on those teams: CI, Peanuthead, Fruitbat, Dumbo, Pettitte ...
I just hate it when players I like leave the team.
ReplyDeleteI think that's what it comes down to, for you and a lot of people. In a sense, that's your "job" as a fan. IMO, it's the FO's job to ignore fan sentiment and do what needs to be done.
But the winning Yankees teams were not like that at all. There was tremendous cohesion and chemistry in 1996, 98, 99.
ReplyDeleteThere were also a lot of players from the farm system on those teams: CI, Peanuthead, Fruitbat, Dumbo, Pettitte ...
What, no name for Toucan Sam?
Yes, absolutely. Of course, anti-Yankees fans still complained about the Yankees unfair advantage in those days, too, but they had to construct a different argument.
I completely agree that the current Yankees are a collection of parts that don't seem to mesh. That's one of the things that drove me away.
But don't think anyone wants to see the Red Sox with only home-grown players. We'd be missing a lot.
We'd be missing a lot.
ReplyDeleteManny, Ortiz, Lowell, Schilling, Beckett, Wakefield, Dice, Okajima, Pedro, Damon, Mueller, Millar, Arroyo, Foulke ... and many more.
Hmmm.
Manny, Ortiz, Lowell, Schilling, Beckett, Wakefield, Dice, Okajima, Pedro, Damon, Mueller, Millar, Arroyo, Foulke ... and many more.
ReplyDeleteI wasn't even counting Ortiz because he was such a bargain, since he hadn't yet developed into the player he is now.
But in general, the list shows why this particular theme in the "Red Sox are better than Yankees" playbook strikes me as just so much b/s.
Sox fans hate A-Rod, fine, so be it, but if the Red Sox decide to go after him, they are no more or less like the Yankees than they were the day before that decision.
Amy, I'm curious how you felt about the Nomar deal at the time?
ReplyDeleteAs I recall, I was upset by the Nomar deal at first. He was one of those players that seemed to be destined to be in Boston forever. Of course, in retrospect I know it was the right deal. It got us the 2004 title. Then I was mad the Sox let Cabrera go.
ReplyDeleteSo...yeah, I get it. I just don't always like it. And I still really don't like the idea of ARod on the team. Other players would not upset me the same way. I was happy to get Beckett, Schilling, Dice K. It's just the ARod thing that really sticks in my craw.
As I recall, I was upset by the Nomar deal at first. He was one of those players that seemed to be destined to be in Boston forever. Of course, in retrospect I know it was the right deal. It got us the 2004 title. Then I was mad the Sox let Cabrera go.
ReplyDeleteSo...yeah, I get it.
I suspected that might be the case, that's why I asked. You're a good fan. I want the front office to be more than a good fan.
Damn! I love Tek!
ReplyDelete1.5yrs ago Tek was in Disneyland while playing in that silly World Games, or whatever it's called, in Anaheim.
I was sporting my Sox cap and I noticed him first due to his Rolex Submariner (my dream watch). He must have felt me checking it out, I look up from about 10 feet and we lock eyes.
Then, in amazement in who I'm looking at, pausing for a second, give him a head-bob and say, "Hey Tek."
My wife turns to me and says, "Do you know that guy?" I stammer out, "Huh, he's the catcher for the Red Sox, V-Tek."
If I wasn't so shocked at who I just saw I would have had him signed something.
I give kudos to the captain that is just about the coolest thing you could ever do for a kid, my son would have loved to have been one of those kids who had their pillowcase autographed. Too bad we don't live there.
ReplyDelete