September 21, 2008

G155: Red Sox 3, Blue Jays 0

Red Sox   - 102 000 000 - 3  7  0
Blue Jays - 000 000 000 - 0 3 0
Dice (7-2-0-2-6, 109), Hideki Ojakima (8th: 4-3, K, L4) and Jonathan Papelbon (9th: 6-3, 5-3, 1B, F7) combined to shut out the Jays.

Jacoby Ellsbury tripled to start the game and scored on Dustin Pedroia line drive out to left field. With one out in the third, Lyndon doubled and scored on David Ortiz's dong to left. Ellsbury collected another double in the fifth. Pedroia doubled (#52) in the eighth and stole his 19th base in 20 tries.

Dice kept his pitch count down after a long second inning: 19-26-11 9-16-13 15. He allowed only two hits -- both leadoff doubles (Vernon Wells in the second and Joe Inglett in the sixth).

Matsuzaka went to a three-ball count on only four of his 25 batters: Alex Rios in the first (F7), Lyle Overbay in the second (BB), Travis Snider in the fifth (BB), and Adam Lind in the seventh (K).

The Twins beat Tampa Bay 4-1, so we are back to 1.5 GB in the East.

***

Daisuke Matsuzaka (2.93, 156 ERA+) / Scott Richmond (5.06, 85 ERA+)

Richmond is a 29-year-old rookie from British Columbia. He has made three starts this season (16 innings, 23 hits, one walk, 13 strikeouts). He has not pitched for the Jays since August 10, though he did appear in a minor league game on August 29. He will be limited to 50-60 pitches.

This is the final road game of the regular season. Boston will finish with a losing record away from Fenway Park -- they are 38-42 right now, although they have outscored their opponents 381-357 on the road.

***

If the Red Sox win and the Yankees lose (in the final game at 33-year-old "Yankee Stadium II"), then New York will be officially eliminated from post-season play for the first time since 1993. In the YED contest, Jeff F, Jeff M, Aaron S and Tim J all picked 0921.

And at Stade Fasciste tonight, instead of the usual 400 security personnel, there will be 2,000 (including "city police officers, private security, federal authorities and members of the Bronx district attorney's office").
Twins/Rays at 1:30
White Sox/Royals at 2
Orioles/Yankees at 8
East                     Magic #
Rays 92 61 ---
Red Sox 90 64 2.5 7

Wild Card Magic #
Red Sox 90 64 ---
Yankees 84 71 6.5 2
Twins 83 72 7.5 1
Blue Jays 83 72 7.5 1

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ish said...

That'll be good. Take the police off the streets of New York so they can make sure people don't leave their seats during God Bless America.

redsock said...

1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Kevin Youkilis, 3B
5. Jason Bay, LF
6. Mark Kotsay, RF
7. Jed Lowrie, SS
8. Sean Casey, 1B
9. Jason Varitek, C

1. Joe Inglett, 2B
2. Marco Scutaro, SS
3. Alex Rios, RF
4. Vernon Wells, CF
5. Adam Lind, DH
6. Lyle Overbay, 1B
7. Scott Rolen, 3B
8. Travis Snider, LF
9. Curtis Thigpen, C

Globe notes:
Lugo feels "a little tender" today. Francona does not anticipate adjusting the rotation during the final week of the season. Nothing to report on Drew or Lowell.

ish said...

Turf triple!

phil said...

Oooh, triple.

redsock said...

LBJ _ LEADOFF TRIPLE!

A Conformer said...

A triple is always a good start.

L-girl said...

And a 12-game hit streak for LBJ.

ish said...

And a quick run. Where were those yesterday?

phil said...

I fully expected "in play, no out" to be an infield single or reaching on a E5 or something. Guess I have to turn on the TV.

Runs are good.

Patrick said...

Funny having games this early. It's 10am here in the West, and rainy and cold.

Manny hit 2HRs for the Dodgers last night. He should be adding to his impressive post season numbers shortly.

Dice-K has the most walks per nine in the AL?!?! What a weird pitcher. People kept saying it would catch up to him, but here we are, at the end of the season and he has a 156+ ERA.

Our lineup today looks a lot better without Cora. I like seeing Casey in behind Lowrie.

redsock said...

The Red Sox can clinch the wild card (at least) today.

If they win, then Toronto and Minnesota are eliminated from the WC. Then tonight, if the Yankees lose, they are eliminated.

Patrick said...

oh my, I'm blabbering and the game has started...

ish said...

A, would you like to see that scenario play out? The Rays would have to win for it to happen...

redsock said...

GGoW

redsock said...

The Twins can still win and be eliminated. The magic number over them is 1, so a Sox win does it all by itself.

Patrick said...

I had a dream last night that I had Youk's goatee. I actually thought it looked really good except that his chin is twice as big as mine. That was weird.

redsock said...

So: Sox, O's and Twins win.

We clinch a playoff spot and come back to 1.5 GB.

ish said...

Sounds good.

ish said...

Castig and O'Brien discussing Dice-K's strange season.

redsock said...

I hate how they are so focused on W-L record. They have to be smarter than that.

Then again, they were talking yesterday about how so-so Halladay has done in his career against the Sox. All they used was W-L, never heard his career ERA or anything else.

ish said...

O'Brien said he can't recall those kinds of numbers with a pitcher. And with his record, it's strange not seeing him in the Cy Young discussion, but you look at the competition, and you look at his IP, etc.

redsock said...

Talking about how the FKR are stil not getting their due. Castig: "There are no flukes over 162 games."

ish said...

FY the Wizard.

L-girl said...

Talking about how the FKR are stil not getting their due. Castig: "There are no flukes over 162 games."

If I were a Tampa fan, the way people don't believe they're a good team would drive me nuts. I dislike it now and they're my competition!

L-girl said...

Castig complaining how the Toronto papers don't list all the US college football scores.

Do the newspapers in Texas give CFL scores? Somehow I doubt it.

phil said...

Houdini.

ish said...

Yankees coverage on ESPN started at 1:00

Oi. Even the Yankees Radio coverage doesn't start until 7:00.

ish said...

Isn't Shea Stadium older than Yankee Stadium?

redsock said...

I think they also opened the park at 1. Though beer is not being sold until 6!

redsock said...

Isn't Shea Stadium older than Yankee Stadium?

Yes. The Yanks played at Shea for two years while the second YS was being built.

ish said...

I know Shea Stadium itself doesn't have anything that makes it crazy special, etc... but I don't see there being a 7 hour special for the closure of Shea Stadium. I don't hear anything about it, really.

I don't even know when the final game there is.

L-girl said...

LBJ double and he's going for the cycle!!

L-girl said...

My first Yankees game was at Shea.

redsock said...

When I met efd yesterday, he said the Mets close out the season at home. He's going to one game next week.

L-girl said...

I know Shea Stadium itself doesn't have anything that makes it crazy special, etc...

It doesn't even have anything that makes it halfway decent. :)

But really, no matter what we think, it's b/c everyone buys into the idea that the current YS is the original one, which would make it very old and full of history. Which is not so, but it's how the story goes.

ish said...

Opposite Field Large Father Power! (OFLFP)

phil said...

Whee.

redsock said...

QUADRANGULAR!!!!!

L-girl said...

PAPI DONG!!!!!!!

L-girl said...

Ah-ha! Castig knows the *real* drive time from Buffalo to Toronto. Good on him.

redsock said...

He did seem unclear of why Toronto gets less snow.

ish said...

Also the Mets are most likely going to the postseason so Shea ain't done yet.

A pair of seats from Shea are going for $869.

L-girl said...

He did seem unclear of why Toronto gets less snow.

But at least he knows it does.

To be fair, he always seems to know a lot about Canada, more than many other broadcasters and most players.

L-girl said...

A pair of seats from Shea are going for $869.

They may go for that, but will anyone pay it?

redsock said...

Dice gets the side on 9 pitches.

That's like another pitcher needing only 3.

redsock said...

I guess the HoF finally got over Robbins/Sarandon's anti-Iraq invasion opinions to honour "Bull Durham". Way to go, HoF!!!! Idiots.

redsock said...

Lyndon smells the playoffs - time to get hot!

L-girl said...

I thought that too. That was disgraceful. Even more disgraceful were all the idiot baseball fans who bought it. I remember arguing about that with a certain idiot co-worker.

L-girl said...

time to get hot!

Should I make the obvious comeback???

Lyndon is ALWAYS hot!!

phil said...

I've long thought that two doubles should count as a double and a single for cycle purposes. After all, he could've stopped at first if he'd wanted.

phil said...

Whereas with home runs, you don't have the option of stopping along the way.

redsock said...

MIN: 000
FKR: 001

redsock said...

Before that walk, Dice had retired 10 in a row -- on a mere 37 pitches -- with only two balls hit out of the infield.

nixon33 said...

ortiz opposite field HR :0

anything is possible.

redsock said...

Twins tie it up in the 4th! 1-1.

Zenslinger said...

3-1 Twins now. ROY error brings in a second run on an RBI single.

Whoops, another RBI single makes it 4-1.

nixon33 said...

TWINS 4 ASSHOLES 1

L-girl said...

Min 4 - Fkr 1

James said...

With any luck, A-Rod will hit four bombs but will still lose because of Jeter's 0-6 day with 3 errors.

I went to Yankee Stadium last week. I wore full Red Sox gear, but it seemed like the fans there were more sad than angry with me. I've got long hair and a big beard, and one of the fans said "The Red Sox suck and so do the Beatles" but that was about it.

The place is a dump, though.

redsock said...

"The Red Sox suck and so do the Beatles"

Well, he was half right! :>)

L-girl said...

The place is a dump, though.

How so? I said my goodbyes in 2004 and I'm curious about your observations.

redsock said...

I'm sure the original YS was quite amazing, especially with a LCF gap that was 460+ feet!

The new (soon to be old) place is part and parcel with other mid-70s stadiums. It's completely bland and emotionless, and while it's not a concrete bowl, but there is nothing much beautiful about it.

nixon33 said...

actually the beatles are pretty good.

redsock said...

I said my goodbyes in 2004

Strange that of the two of us, I was the one who was there last.

nixon33 said...

this is another one of those "it feels like its 10 nothing" but it isnt. dice looking good today.

L-girl said...

I wish so much I had been to the original YS.

In most places, emotions come from our own memories, not from buildings. YS contains a lot of emotion for a lot of people.

Regardless, I'm curious what James meant by "a dump", if they haven't been maintaining it in the last season, or what.

redsock said...

who missed a start because of a kidney stone?

nixon33 said...

TEK! (?)

James said...

How so? I said my goodbyes in 2004 and I'm curious about your observations.

It was much, much less clean than Fenway, the layout of the seats wasn't really ideal for baseball, the constant music and between-inning scoreboard shit, the white sheet metal walls that surround half of the park, the stained concrete underfoot, cramped quarters on narrow ramps, etc., etc. Every aspect of the park seemed poorly planned, poorly organized, and superficial.

That said, the new park looked incredible, at least from the outside. From the outside, the old stadium looks like something between a mall and a warehouse.

L-girl said...

Strange that of the two of us, I was the one who was there last.

But you were there to gloat. I went to say goodbye to a part of myself.

nixon33 said...

yeah im with you l-girl. i would have liked to go to the original YS.
i guess they are letting people go on the filed today. pretty cool, i think.

Jere said...

"letting people go on the filed today. "

Only if you have a ticket--though I have heard reports say "the public" will be allowed on the field. But from the release I read on yankees.com, it's only for people with a ticket to tonight's elimination game.

L-girl said...

the constant music and between-inning scoreboard shit,

This is very horrible, a huge part of what drove me away. Unfortunately, though, it's at almost every ML park in the country.

YS is not a great park, there's no doubt about it. But it's ridiculous to act as if it's emblematic of all things Yankee. As Allan said, it's like most parks of its era, late 70s. It's not the Temple of Greatness that Jon Sterling makes it out to be, but it's not the hell-hole you guys make it out to be either. It's so overboard.

Not picking on you, James - most Sox fans do it.

nixon33 said...

having grown up in boston and fenway pretty much being the only ballpark i had ever been to for most of my life, i was pretty amazed by (new) YS. to someone only knowing fenway, its pretty impressive. i have only been to 3 parks (shea) so that might be a part of it. but most sox fans will just hate on it cause its the yanks. whatever.

L-girl said...

It's funny to hear complaints about the narrow ramps. That's one of the things Yankees fans always complained about while trying to get a new Stadium. I thought it was ridiculous - like Sox fans who wanted Fenway torn down because there wasn't enough leg room.

redsock said...

Cora is SUCH a shitty shortstop. I hate it when Tito puts him in there to "improve" the infield fielding.

L-girl said...

Most of the new parks are very impressive. I'd be very surprised if the new YS wasn't.

nixon33 said...

yeah jere, i figured "only for those who have tickets: was assumed. i hadn't heard any of those public on the field reports. weird.

redsock said...

Castig: They are NOT imploding YS.

They are taking it down piece by piece and the field is being preserved.

L-girl said...

Also, I mean the building itself - not management and how the fans are treated.

redsock said...

I thought I read they would be allowed only on the warning tracks and NOT on the grass.

If it was the grass, I'd be very surprised they would be doing that before the game.

I am curious about the end of the game and the riot police.

nixon33 said...

also yo clarify, i meant THIS CURRENT new yankee stadium, not the NEW NEW YS. ha

James said...

Hey, I was expecting something closer to the air around Fenway, and I got more Shea than Fenway. I know a lot of the people around me were unhappy about the scoreboard-stuff as well.

I went there because I bought into the history, expecting something like the Rothko temple of baseball, and instead I got one of those big megachurches that seems like it has fallen on hard times.

Jere said...

yeah--it's not even "on the field"--it's just a warning track jaunt, much like any Fenway tour. They totally should have a day in the offseason where they let anybody in and just run amok. Or..maybe not.

L-girl said...

Nix, I thought you meant the new new one, not the current new one. :)

Jere said...

fy

L-girl said...

I was expecting something closer to the air around Fenway, and I got more Shea than Fenway.

It's definitely closer to Shea than Fenway, in both age and atmosphere.

redsock said...

Will the (Brian) Wolfe survive?

James said...

To clarify: I've got no complaints about how I was treated by fans, security, management, or employees. Although they did make my friend throw away his bookbag, because they were afraid people would be trying to steal chairs and stuff since it was closing. They gave him a much bigger, opaque white plastic bag to hold his stuff in. Seemed kind of silly.

L-girl said...

FY double! Radio delayed.

Jere said...

it's the "stadium" that should tip you off. There's a reason Fenway's called a park and Yankee's called a stadium.

L-girl said...

Will the (Brian) Wolfe survive?

A new one for the animal team.

I've got no complaints about how I was treated by fans, security, management, or employees.

I'm glad - it can be awful.

James said...

For anyone who cares, the Patriots are getting stomped. Matt Cassel is playing as poorly as we (Pats fans) could have feared.

phil said...

It's hilarious when Pedroia steals a base. He's really not that fast.

L-girl said...

Not many fans are lucky enough to have anything like Fenway. Thousands of Red Sox fans wanted to replace it with a new park.

Jere said...

I still have the flier that was mailed to me talking all about the "new" Fenway complete with moclup design and quotes from famous people calling for it--including Nomar, I think. And maybe even Ted Williams, though I'd have to check. I can assure you I never bought into that. It's like, Hey, how would you like to have your favorite place destroyed? No thanks.

redsock said...

MIN: 000 400
FKR: 001 000

(2 of the Twins runs unearned)

efd said...

hey everyone - back home from TO in time to catch the end of the game!

Jere said...

mockup, not moclup. But that design was just that--it was very mocluppy. Ew. A weird upper deck above the bleachers? Come on.

redsock said...

Yeah, I have a ton of stuff I printed out when the new design was unveiled. Was on Save Fenway Park's email list for awhile.

Knowing how special the park is and working hard to keep it in use is another reason to be grateful for this ownership group.

James said...

I can *sort of* understand why they wanted a new Fenway. Parts of it are very uncomfortable, and there certainly isn't any reason for a new park to have the columns obscuring the view, but those reasons (and I'm sure some others that are perfectly valid) don't outweigh the history and beauty of the building, at least for me.

Jere said...

Poles in the way are tough, as well as all those rf seats that don't face the field. But, still.

L-girl said...

I can assure you I never bought into that.

You'd be just about the last person I'd think that about. You, Allan and ME.

Fenway has been my favourite park since my first game there in 198... 7? 8? Allan will fill in.

redsock said...

what what what -- the angles "manufactured" a save situation for frod?

no shit, joe!!!!

L-girl said...

Hi Efd! Sorry I missed you.

James said...

Save Fenway Park was a pretty awesome organization. One of the reasons the old ownership was using for a new park was that a certain ramp used by people leaving the upper levels of the park wasn't totally sound for its current use.

It turns out the "current use" they were talking about was parking front office types cars on it!

L-girl said...

The poles are tough. The seats can be tough. But geez.

Thank goodness the new owners understand its value and have enhanced it.

Jere said...

wow, that lady was embarrassed about spitting water on that guy behind the on deck hitter. She'll be more embarrassed when her friends tell her thousands of people saw it on TV, too.

Zenslinger said...

It's hilarious when Pedroia steals a base. He's really not that fast.

Yeah, but at 19 SB, it's not an insignificant factor. He's not fast, but picks his spots well, I guess, and that ability's an asset to go along with the 53 doubles...the 205 hits. What about the 17 HRs? He's not really a power hitter, but once you get above 15 HR's or so on a year, it's something you can't ignore.

I checked his OPS. Before today, I was surprised to see it was only .868.

redsock said...

May 10 1987
Red Sox 7, Angels 0
Hurst (9-5-0-1-9)
2nd straight CG shutout

L-girl said...

as well as all those rf seats that don't face the field

Those are hilarious. I can't even believe they exist.

At the old Tiger Stadium, I also couldn't believe the poles. But man, the upper deck at that place was friggin amazing. You are right on top of the field. I guess you can't have that without those crazy poles.

L-girl said...

Hey, as anyone noticed, we're having some fucking great pitching today.

Jere said...

mauer triple

L-girl said...

1987, thanks. I thought it was your 1st yr in NYC but wasn't completely sure.

Jere said...

Cleveland also had those upper deck poles. At the MBTL.

James said...

So who would everyone rather face first in *ahem* mission "Soxtober"? Angels or Pale Hose?

efd said...

hi, L-girl! Likewise! Was nice to be able to meet up with Allan, at least.

Pretty happy to come away with a split in the two games we saw with Burnett and Halladay pitching, although yesterday's game was certainly winnable.

Looking good today, though!!

L-girl said...

Look at our season record against LAAAAA. That should answer the question!

redsock said...

I think I misspoke about the Twins. They can't win the WC if the Sox win this one, but they could still win the Central.

L-girl said...

I keep thinking Castig is talking about our dog Tala.

phil said...

There's also a big difference between facing LAAAAAAAA on the road and hosting the CWS at home.

redsock said...

Do I want to stick in the face of Ozzie or Frod? That's a tough one.

I wanna win the East, so that'll give us Chicago.

James said...

True on the 1-8 record against. But in terms of run differential, the Hose are the much better team. But Carlos Quentin is hurt, and the Angels have a better rotation for a short series.

To me, it's not an easy call.

L-girl said...

A, what day was the Luis Rivera GS game? That was an amusing experience.

L-girl said...

Angels have a better rotation for a short series.

This too.

redsock said...

I truly believe that the 1-8 record against LAA this year has no meaning in a five-game series. (Some here will disagree.) Short series are too flukey.

L-girl said...

I hate the 5-game series. It can be so nerve wracking.

Jere said...

here's a good one for the other old-ish people. Remember in May '88, Doerr's number 1 was retired, so McNamara had to switch to 2? Well I noticed on Baseball Almanac they only listed 1 as Johnny Mac's #. So I wrote them to correct it. The guy wrote back and said he "checked with a researcher AT the Red Sox," who said he checked his scorecards from the first and last games of that season, and they both showed McNamara wearing #1. ! You'd think this "researcher" at the very least would've known about Doerr's retired #, and that McNamara couldn't have possibly still been wearing 1! I wrote back with further proof for them, along with the suggestion that that researcher should be fired..

redsock said...

Here is Rivera's HR Log. And that was the only GS of his career: August 31, 1990.

NYY lineup that day:

R Kelly CF
S Sax 2B
M Nokes DH
K Maas 1B
M Hall LF
J Barfield RF
R Cerone C
R Velarde 3B
A Espinoza SS

James said...

I'm with Redsock on the 9-game sample size. I'd imagine that the run differential would point to it being a closer season series than that, and that even run differential doesn't mean shit over 10 baseball games. Someone who can find RS/RA for team-by-team matchups and who understands stuff like standard deviation should feel free to correct me, because I'm sort of talking out of my ass.

phil said...

LAAAAAAAA is overrated, but they're still a better team than CWS this year.

nixon33 said...

i guess i really never noticed all the "in between inning loud crazy music" shit at the stadium, as i always do my "old man at the game with radio in ears".
(not that listening to sterling is any better, some of the shot that comes out of their mouths is unfathomable).

Jere said...

2 innings left in Tampa. I REALLY want those Twins to hold on!

James said...

I think the playoff set-up should be 7-9-11 instead of 5-7-7, but that would probably bring us into mid-to-late November.

But it would certainly keep things like the stupid '06 Cardinals from winning anything.

L-girl said...

Here is Rivera's HR Log. And that was the only GS of his career: August 31, 1990.

What a hoot that was. Me in my Yankees cap, the only one in sight, everyone standing around me chanting you-know-what. I just sat there smiling.

R Kelly CF
S Sax 2B
M Nokes DH
K Maas 1B
M Hall LF
J Barfield RF
R Cerone C
R Velarde 3B
A Espinoza SS


That takes me back. Bad team, but really good times.

Al-va-rro Es-pin-oh-saaa

Zenslinger said...


NYY lineup that day:

R Kelly CF
S Sax 2B
M Nokes DH
K Maas 1B
M Hall LF
J Barfield RF
R Cerone C
R Velarde 3B
A Espinoza SS


Holy forgettable, Batman!

phil said...

If you went back to a 154 game schedule, you could fit more playoff games in. Revenues would decrease, though.

efd said...

The irony of all the between-innings (and even between-batter) music and whatnot at Yankee Stadium is that every time the Yankees are in Tampa, Sterling always goes on at great length about how obnoxious it is that there is all this loud music and other stuff going on (and not just the cowbells, which I agree can sound pretty annoying over the air). Sterling always attributes it to Tampa Bay not drawing large crowds, so they have to make it sound like something's going on, but he never explains why they also do it at a sold-out Toilet.

L-girl said...

I think the playoff set-up should be 7-9-11 instead of 5-7-7, but that would probably bring us into mid-to-late November.

7-9-11, wow!!

I'd like 7-7-7 and a shortened season. Although it's not super high on my list of all the things I want to change in MLB.

redsock said...

We saw a lot of EPIC Yankee losses in those days. Multiple errors, allowing 10+ runs, crowds of maybe 20,000 with plenty of heckling at the home team. The good old days!!!

MORE HORSE SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

James said...

White Sox are a better team than the Angels. By run differential, they're a much better team. There's a lot of cheap wins to be had in a four-team division with no other good teams.

L-girl said...

But it would certainly keep things like the stupid '06 Cardinals from winning anything.

Maybe. Maybe not. I don't think anything needs to change to keep anything from happening. As long as everyone's playing by the same rules, whoever wins, wins.

Jere said...

this is the biggest difference between Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park. The fact that the scoreboard tells the Yankes fans when to cheer, while Fenway has never, ever done that. I always wonder if people who haven't been to YS can tell this from TV. If ish doesn't notice it, I fear a lot more definitely don't know.

I just wish for once a national announcer would say, "Remember viewers, you're hearing the fans here at Yankee Stadium cheering, but it's only because the scoreboard s saying "GET LOUD" and an organ is leading their cheers."

Jere said...

I said "ish"--I meant Nix.

L-girl said...

The blaring is almost everywhere. Baltimore and Cleveland are among the worst for that. Beautiful parks, and the experience is completely RUINED by all the noise, games, ads.

phil said...

Water.

Jere said...

Red Sox Anti-Lose. 2 back...

James said...

Papelbon used to be very, very exciting to watch, but it seems like he's taking even longer between pitches this year than ever before. I'm very happy we have a pitcher of his caliber on the team, but he's got to be one of the slowest workers in baseball.

And Agua Sucia. We're coming, Tampa.

efd said...

Watre!

I like that Bay made that catch to end the game.

Jere said...

and I'm not saying that nearly every other park hasn't followed Yankee Stadium's suit on the "da da da da da da...charge" crap. And even Fenway has actual recorded music now as opposed to the old days of strictly live organ, and it can get pretty loud between innings.

redsock said...

Some game in 1988 or 1989, Dale Mohorcic was getting totally abused by some team -- I could look, I guess, but my mind says Texas.

Anyway, a bunch of guys behind us on the 3B side started in yelling at him: "More Horse Shit". (Kinda like his last anme, see...)

Over and over and over. And over. As he melted down. I guess you had to be there, but they kept it up a long time -- and I was laughing so hard I was close to tears.

***

WATER!

***

If I'm right about the Rangers, it may have been a 13-2 loss on May 8, 1989. Andy Hawkins got routed in that game too.

phil said...

MIN - 000 400 00
FKR - 001 000 0

L-girl said...

C'mon Jere, do you really know the Yankees started that? Did you see games in that many parks before the Yankees started doing it, so you know that they "followed Yankee Stadium's suit"?

James said...

While we're on the topic of stadium music, any way we'll ever see the end of Sweet Caroline. I think the opening day Tom Werner dance counts as shark-jumping.

I mean, they play it when we're down 11-0. And people still sing it. What the fuck?

Jere said...

I remember one of my Yankee fan friends back then calling Mahorcic "the Iron Horse." Ha.

L-girl said...

I wasn't at the More Horseshit game, but it will live in infamy.

Zenslinger said...

Remy is heard on MLB.tv during the commercial break after the end of the game. His voice tired, even listless: "What's the Play of the Game, the home run?"

Did anyone read the mailbag on the Globe in which Amalie said they don't root for the team as reporters? Hard to imagine.

L-girl said...

I mean, they play it when we're down 11-0. And people still sing it. What the fuck?

???? Why shouldn't they? Do you only sing for your team when they're winning?

Jere said...

L: honestly, I wasn't even acting like it was their idea--though who knows, that stadium started lots of baseball trends--I'm more concerned about "Yankees do it, Red Sox don't."

I mean, Comiskey, Veeck, coulda been anybody who started playing music over loudspeakers, etc. But if the Yanks didn't start it, I'm sure they were quick to do it. I do wonder when all that started Like, the first "charge" tune. I think of that as pretty Yankee-centric, but who knows.

phil said...

Amalie was born in Newton. Whom is she trying to kid?

Jere said...

And, L, all the new parks are obviously newer than YS--so those by definition "followed" YS in doing that stuff.

James said...

No, but I thought it was supposed to be a rally song, hence them playing it before the bottom of the inning.

I seem to remember them only playing it during close games as recent as a few years ago. Am I misremembering?

phil said...

MIN - 000 400 00
FKR - 001 000 00

L-girl said...

Jere, ok, sounds good.

"Followed Yankee Stadium's suit" kinda sounds like only one thing, but the Fenway/YS comparison is the more important point.

Many people say this crap in baseball came from the NBA, where it started earlier and is much worse. That, I wouldn't know.

phil said...

This article suggests it was originally only played when they were ahead.

L-girl said...

I always thought Sweet Caroline was for every game, and nothing to do with score. But maybe I've gotten it wrong all along!

I gotta run, see you all... soon. But not soon enough, because I can't watch tomorrow night.

phil said...

I wouldn't be surprised if much of it came from Hockey too.

James said...

For some reason, I don't mind the bombast at C's games. Can't really think of a reason why.

L-girl said...

And, L, all the new parks are obviously newer than YS--so those by definition "followed" YS in doing that stuff.

But I don't think that's what you meant by "followed suit".

nixon33 said...

I said "ish"--I meant Nix.

ha. i don't even see where you said ish...

James said...

I suppose I'll be on my way out, as well. Probably won't be here much until the next road game, whenever that is...

Jere said...

the post above it, Nix.

L: I think that is why I said it--as each new park is built, they make the call whether to do what I think of as Yankee Stadium stuff, and they all seem to!

I'd also guess that maybe it was the "new" Yankee Stadium in '76 that started the scoreboard and cheer-leading stuff, at least for the Yanks.

redsock said...

I thought Sweet Caroline was played when they were losing -- as good luck for a rally. (I guess they played it once, the team came back and won, so they kept at it.)

redsock said...

Last ups for duh Rayz.

nixon33 said...

well its like i said im tuned into the radio. i dont mind the "loud" thing. i guess i naturally tune it out as im just paying attention to the field.

Jere said...

People, do you realize we could see Mo's LAST blown save at Yankee Stadium in just a few hours???

redsock said...

Alright, Orioles.
We did our job.
You do yours.

redsock said...

Twins win 4-1.

1.5 GB.

Jere said...

I never get when people complain about the baseball schedule, in terms of the way it "should" be. Lou and TC both acting like it's inexplicable that Yankee Stadium's last game won't be the last of their season. I hope the schedule makers aren't paid to make the schedule look cool. It's hard enough to make a schedule involving 30 teams playing 162 games each without having to add in stuff that would be "fitting" or whatever. (Also, them getting mad is an insult to the Mets, whose stadium is also closing.)

nixon33 said...

1.5!

sox trying to have jere win that $15 bet

Jere said...

Okay, 1.5 back. Gotta figure they split their double header, so that'd be 1 game to make up in 7 games. Really 2 games to pass them. Do-able!

phil said...

MIN - 000 400 000 | 4 7 0
FKR - 001 000 000 | 1 5 2

Jere said...

right, the $15! (The way I see it, if the game doesn't happen, I still walk away with a ticket to a non-existent game. Is it obvious yet that a guy like me would like having something like that way too much?)

redsock said...

. Is it obvious yet that a guy like me would like having something like that way too much?

Would you like to see my sheet of 1998 Red Sox World Series tickets? (Actually, when it comes to "phantom tickets", I have a ton of them.)

Also have a 1975 World Champs pennant, a 1986 World Champs pennant, and a 1999 World Chapms sweatshirt.

redsock said...

Amusing typo here:

"It's the history of it," Victor Ridern said in defense of the current Yankee Stadium. "You can't go over there and say Bath Ruth played there. I don't think they should get rid of this one."

2 letters wrong -- of the name of the most famous baseball player ever.

L-girl said...

an insult to the Mets

You say that like it's a bad thing!

they make the call whether to do what I think of as Yankee Stadium stuff

Key words here: "what I think of as". :)

redsock said...

But if the Yanks didn't start it, I'm sure they were quick to do it.

Jere's Rule #1: Everything bad in the world was invented (or at least given to the masses) by the Yankees.

A Conformer said...

Jere's Rule #1: Everything bad in the world was invented (or at least given to the masses) by the Yankees.

Well, you do realize that Hitler was a Yankee fan, right?

ish said...

Going back to the Toilet and prompting people to cheer... You never hear those stupid phony sound effects at Fenway in between pitches.

Speaking of Fenway, I'm pretty excited to go tomorrow night. What's the situation now with when the Red Sox will clinch a playoff berth? Yankees have to lose tonight and that'll be it, right?

Jere, maybe I'll see you at the game. I'll probably be the only person there wearing an Okajima Red Sox shirt!

redsock said...

What's the situation now with when the Red Sox will clinch a playoff berth? Yankees have to lose tonight and that'll be it, right?

Yup.

Sox magic number for (at least) the wild card is 1. So the next Yankees loss or the next Red Sox win will clinch a spot.

L-girl said...

You never hear those stupid phony sound effects at Fenway in between pitches.

But you do hear it almost everywhere else.

ish said...

So, basically I've picked a pretty good game to go to tomorrow night - it'll either be a party atmosphere for the day after they clinch, or the Yankees win tonight and the Red Sox win tomorrow night and they clinch it right then. Or the other two options.

Pretty good timing then!

ish said...

But you do hear it almost everywhere else.

I can't think of any other place that you don't hear them.

nixon33 said...

wrigley? (never been, but figured maybe since its old school and fans nearly had a shit fit when they put in the lights for night games, that they wouldnt do crappy sound fx?)

SoSock said...

So the D-Rays lose and keep my big bus motor running for another day.
I had pretty much determined I was going to trade it in on a W-C microbus if we didn't pick up one today.
I've always wanted a microbus anyway.

redsock said...

When we went to Dodgers Stadium (2003?), it was amazingly quiet. We have heard that since McCourt has been in charge, the noise level has increased quite a bit.

I've/We've been to Wrigley a couple of times. It's quiet, usually. Plus they have no message board in CF, just a little ticker tape-like thing, if I recall.

From our travels, Camden Yards may out-noise the Toilet. After our last game there, I vowed never to go back.

redsock said...

One thing I wanted to do was to go back through microfilm and see what people said when YS Jr. oopened up. Did they feel like the old park was dead? Did they object to calling it by the same name? Or did they feel it had been merely modernized?

L-girl said...

When we went to Dodgers Stadium (2003?)

The west-coast baseball trip was 2002. It was so beautiful there, I looooved it.

However, when I was there in 2007, the atmosphere was completely changed. Same great park - but also the same noise and light show as everywhere else.

L-girl said...

I can't think of any other place that you don't hear them.

As others have said, Wrigley. Used to be Dodger Stadium, but no longer. That's all for my experience. I'd be surprised if there were any others, since it's supposed to be part of the modern ballpark experience. Bah.

Nix, you are so lucky that you can tune it out. For me it's like an assault on my senses the entire time. In Baltimore and Cleveland you can't even talk between innings, you have to shout at the person sitting next to you to be heard. And of course it's all corporate advertising.

L-girl said...

We have heard

One of us heard with her own ears.

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