Diamondbacks - 100 200 000 - 3 8 0
Red Sox - 203 010 00x - 6 11 1
PA reports that Daniel Nava will leadoff tonight. Bill Hall will play shortstop as Marco Scutaro had a "procedure" on his neck yesterday (according to Terry Francona) to help with his pinched nerve.Nava, LF
Pedroia, 2B
Ortiz, DH
Youkilis, 1B
Martinez, C
Drew, RF
Beltre, 3B
Hall, SS
Cameron, CF
Kennedy has pitched quite well for Arizona, allowing three or fewer earned runs in 11 of his 13 starts. Since May 1, he has a 2.42 ERA in eight starts (52 innings). However, Kennedy has allowed 14 home runs -- only three pitchers have given up more.
Although Kennedy worked in 14 games for the Yankees in 2007-09, he has never pitched against Boston. The only Red Sox batter he has ever faced is Victor Martinez (one single in three PA on April 26, 2008).
Buchholz has the 4th best AL ERA and is at 2.42 over his last six starts. He has never faced anyone currently on the Snakes.
Elsewhere, 7 PM:
Tampa Bay and New York are tied for first at 40-23, with Boston at 37-28, 4 GB.Yankees/Racist Team Name #1
Phillies/Yankees
Rays/Racist Team Name #2
1902 - Corsicana routs Texarkana 51-3. The Texas League game was played in a ballpark with either very short fences (about 200-210 to right) or no fences at all. Most accounts state that Corsicana hit 21 home runs, with catcher Justin "Nig" Clarke hitting eight of them -- in eight consecutive at-bats. (Or maybe Clarke hit only three dongs.) Some telegraph operators, thinking the final score was a typo, reported it as 5-3.
1928 - Ty Cobb steals home for the 54th and final time in his 24-year career.
1938 - Cincinnati's Johnny Vander Meer pitches his second consecutive no-hitter, defeating the Dodgers 6-0, in the first night game played at Ebbets Field. On June 11, Vander Meer no-hit the Boston Braves, 3-0.
1976 - Oakland owner Charlie Finley sells Joe Rudi and Rollie Fingers to the Red Sox (and sells Vida Blue to the Yankees). Three days later,
Aren't the Yankees are playing the Phillies tonight? (The Mets are playing Cleveland.)
ReplyDeleteWhat's racist about the Phillies?
ReplyDeleteMFY facing Philly tonight, thats the Mets BR ;)
ReplyDeleteAs per my promise in the previous gamethread, I'm reposting this awesome video for all to enjoy. [Sound is NSFW]
A "Philly" is a racial team name?
ReplyDeleteAnd here I didn't anyone paid attention to those other game links.
ReplyDeleteI see that B-Ref lists them one after the other and they are both on the AL schedule side of the page. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteWhat's racist about the Phillies?
ReplyDeleteNow if you had asked, What's racist about Philadelphia...
Johnson, 2B
ReplyDeleteDrew, SS
Reynolds, 3B
LaRoche, 1B
Montero, C
Young, CF
Upton, RF
Abreu, DH
Parra, LF
Ok everybody, refresh your screens, it's been corrected!
ReplyDeleteCafardo: "Don Orsillo has returned to the NESN booth after a bout with vertigo."
ReplyDeleteWow, vertigo kept him out all those days? I had a small case of that after flying in March---made me not want to fly again (not that I ever want to fly).
ReplyDeleteWho is it on the team who gets vertigo? Drew?a
Am I reading too much into it, or is that Cafardo piece aimed straight at Jacoby Ellsbury?
ReplyDeleteit is probably never wrong to assume other messages in boston sports coverage.
ReplyDeletewow - don just said "ops"
ReplyDeleteQUADRANGULAR!!!
ReplyDeleteLarge father dong!!!!
ReplyDeleteHa HA! Rotund Round-tripper!
ReplyDeletejim joyce is probably glad both teams have hits now.
ReplyDeleteNICE recovery from Yook and quick hustle from HH!!!!
ReplyDeleterays in a "weather delay" -- ??
ReplyDelete"bill of the cap high" - !!
ReplyDeleteLaser show!
ReplyDeletePHI 0 0 0 0 0 1 0
ReplyDeleteMFY 0 2 3 5 5 0
"Fair amount of time for Clay Buchholz to be on the bench"
ReplyDeleteFair amount of time?? Don, you're losing it!
i thought those mfy #s were all innings, but they are not
ReplyDeletePHI - 000 3*
MFY - 023
phils still batting (i think)
Extra Cheese gets out of the inning giving up only 3. 5-3 Yanks.
ReplyDeleteAfter beating the crap out of us, the Big Donkey's given up 5 in the fifth inning to the Mets.
ReplyDeleteExtra Cheese :)
ReplyDeleteRed Sox mgmt. are slipping. MFY and FKR have the same record, but the standings on the Wall have MFY listed first. They usually put NY on the bottom when they are tied with another team.
ReplyDeleteAllo?
ReplyDeleteI heard some basketball game is starting soon. Hah!
We heard the Papi home run on XM...
ReplyDeleteAnd I really like the Primus during the commercial breaks!
Don & Jerry ragging on the Marlins idea of using fish behind the plate - wish they would mention the Stingrays swimming in a barren tank in Tampa Bay.
ReplyDeleteMakes me worry what the racistly-named teams are gonna display behind home plate.
ReplyDeleteOo, that doesn't bear thinking about, does it!
ReplyDeleteI'm Metis, and the name "Indians" doesn't really bug me that much.
ReplyDeleteI hate that little fucker on the hat, tho'
We OK?
we're fine -- but don't rub my head.
ReplyDeleteJust because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it's not racist. The picture is also highly offensive.
ReplyDeleteIt's not the word Indians in itself that's offensive, it's using the name of a people as a team nickname. Would you ever see a team named The Jews? (For example.)
FY - 3 runs scored
ReplyDeleteGood cartoon about it here on my blog (scroll down).
ReplyDeleteDo you think Youk sweated a lot as a newborn?
ReplyDeleteEvening, threaders. Just getting home from another evening out. I see we are ahead.
ReplyDeleteDo you think Youk sweated a lot as a newborn?
ReplyDeleteThat's how he learned to swim -- in his crib.
Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it's not racist. The picture is also highly offensive.
ReplyDeleteI hear you, but I liken it to "Chippewas" or "Seminoles," which the Chippewas and Seminoles have given their OK for. That being said, I cannot believe that in 2010, they are still using that @#$%ing logo. Jeez, just use the old "C" or ... anything.
9 pm and still light out. Wish we could watch baseball outside.
ReplyDeleteSome Chippewas and Seminoles have given their ok, but many many many native people still hate it and protest it.
ReplyDeleteWhy are all the racist team logos Native names? No one would dare use any other people that way.
With respect, I have to say that just because you're Metis and it doesn't bother you, doesn't make it okay. Especially in the US, given the history. Bad in Canada, but waaaay worse there.
Hi All, I just got home too. Very excited to have a package from Amazon waiting for me. It is the boxed set of five books in the Wrinkle in Time series. I read Wrinkle last weekend, but my books are so old they are falling apart. I didn't know there were five in the series. So, I have two new ones to read!
ReplyDeleteGo Sox, Keep it up.
Nice cheer for HH.
ReplyDeleteCool package! Enjoy. :)
ReplyDeleteVery cool, MrsG---I should reread all my childhood favorites again. I did read them to my kids, but even that was eons ago.
ReplyDeleteSome Chippewas and Seminoles have given their ok, but many many many native people still hate it and protest it.
ReplyDeleteWhy are all the racist team logos Native names? No one would dare use any other people that way.
With respect, I have to say that just because you're Metis and it doesn't bother you, doesn't make it okay. Especially in the US, given the history. Bad in Canada, but waaaay worse there.
Actually, I think the real issue here is you abolutely, positively have to "win" every discussion, which I've watched for a couple of years now.
Later, overly PC white woman.....
If you notice my avatar, it is the new logo of my college: William & Mary. We used to be the Indians, appropriately named as we used to be a school for Native Americans. We changed the name to Tribe many years ago, anticipating PC stuff. Our logo was a very nice looking interlocking WM with two small feathers coming up from the M. The NCAA (in all their brilliance) decided that the feathers were "hostile and offensive" and we had to get rid of them. The Florida State Seminoles can keep their horseback-riding Indian who plants a flaming spear at mid field before each game, but we have to get rid of our feathers. The Seminole Tribe said it was okay for Fl. State to use their name. We didn't have a specific tribe affiliation and even though we got permission from all area Virginia tribes, we could not keep our feathers. Kinda silly, huh?
ReplyDeleteGee thanks, Pepe. Way to make assumptions about someone you don't even know. I was under the impression we were allowed to disagree with each other and still be friends. Apparently not!
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's silly, Mrs. G.
ReplyDeleteYay, Oki!
ReplyDeleteHey, did Don say anything about what was ailing him? Was it vertigo?
overly PC white woman
ReplyDeletestick to discussing the topic -- not the commenter.
Strangely, Pepe has called not me out for writing what I did in the actual post. ... Being male has many advantages, it seems.
ReplyDeleteL- Not silly that a flaming spear throwing man dressed as an Indian and riding horseback is not "hostile and abusive" but two feathers are?
ReplyDeleteStrangely, Pepe has called not me out for writing what I did in the actual post.
ReplyDeleteSame old same old.
Surprised to see that from Pepe, but if he's been observing it for years, he must have been bursting to let it out.
I'm not married to the feathers, I just don't understand the blatant inconsistency.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, I wonder which school makes more money for the NCAA?
L- Not silly that a flaming spear throwing man dressed as an Indian and riding horseback is not "hostile and abusive" but two feathers are?
ReplyDeleteMrs G, that doesn't make sense, certainly. I'd remove both and wouldn't find that silly. I'd remove all that stuff, no matter what the supposed traditions of the schools. That's what I meant I didn't find silly.
But then, I have no school loyalty whatsoever, so it's easy for me, I don't relate to the uproar over changing a logo or a team name.
On the racist team name/logo issue, I think that you can never be too careful when it comes to the sensitivities of others. I personally do not find it offensive that Yale, for example, uses Hebrew in its motto. Maybe some Jews would, though I think the context is such that it is not likely. But using feathers seems more like using an ethnic symbol in a light-hearted and irreverent and thus possibly disrespectful way.
ReplyDeleteI think it's a tough line to draw. Is the Celtics name and logo offensive? Does it matter whether the group used is one that has been historically oppressed or discriminated against? Would Swiss people be offended by a team that used goats or yodelers to depict a ski team called the Alpines?
If the Celtics used a drunken man beating up his wife as their logo, Irish people might find it offensive. The native-themed logos generally trade in caricature. The name "Braves" is caricature in itself.
ReplyDeleteBeing male has many advantages, it seems.
ReplyDeleteLOL!
Does it matter whether the group used is one that has been historically oppressed or discriminated against?
ReplyDeleteI think the answer to this is definitely yes.
But are feathers a negative stereotype? Aren't they as innocuous as the leprechaun the Celtics use or the maple leaf the Canadiens use?
ReplyDeleteI agree---the difference is when the group is one that has traditionally been oppressed and mocked and discriminated against.
ReplyDeleteAmy, Allan wasn't joking re being male and comemnts here. We've seen it time and again here. Allan and I will both say the same thing in comments, and a male commenter slams me for it and says nothing to him. Some commenters have completely gone off at me - and only me - when everyone else on the thread is saying the same thing. And all the commenters are men.
ReplyDeleteThe response from alums to the feather issue has been all over the place. My husband does not mind them being gone at all. He says no one cared about them until we had to get rid of them. I miss them, but don't really care that they are gone as much as I am outraged at the NCAA's obvious favoritism in allowing many schools to keep their Indian references. If they truly cared about the issue, they all would be gone (as Laura says). Then, we have our crazy alums who think we should sue the NCAA and get our feathers back.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad they came up with a workable new mascot that has gotten a positive reception so far.
Well, at least now I understand MrsGotRibe's name. Why isn't the T capitalized? I never could figure out what Ribes were and how you got them! :)
ReplyDeleteYeah, L and I have talked a lot about this. It goes well beyond the fact that it's my blog. (Actually, I'll often post something that is stronger than anything she writes later, but I get a pass.)
ReplyDeleteNo, I knew he wasn't joking. But I found it funny in the sense that---well, OF COURSE, men have advantages. What else is new?
ReplyDeleteThe Maple Leaf is on the country's flag!
ReplyDeleteI do think a Leprechaun is offensive to Irish people, but I don't know if anyone else does.
But Boston is the Irish capital of the US. What do any of these other towns, cities and colleges have to do with Native people? I find the name "Washington Redskins" particularly gruesome, given the history of Washington (the govt, not the person) ordering the genocide of said "redskins".
Sorry, I find it really hurtful and offensive, and don't have a sense of humour about it.
ReplyDeletewow - nesn commercial showed footage of fingers and rudi in sox uniforms walking (in fenway?). i don't think i have ever seen that. i know photos of them exist, but they are fairly rare.
ReplyDeleteInteresting, Mrs. G. Thanks for the insight.
ReplyDeleteThe idea of nicknames for teams is strange anyway. Why have them at all? Why not call the teams Boston or Florida or Cleveland? Maybe fans would call certain teams "Idiots" or something but it would not stick years later.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry you are hurt, Laura. And I was not mocking your feelings---it just is so obvious to me that men have advantages, get away with more---I see it every time there is a faculty meeting, and women's contributions are ignored, men get all the credit. In 2010. So it was an ironic "Ha," not laughing at you or your feelings.
ReplyDeleteAmy, I know you would never mock my feelings. Thank you. I understood.
ReplyDeleteI think Allan's observation was his way of noting what else was going on in that exchange.
I hope Pepe is proud of himself, he caught me off guard and made me feel bad. So he "wins", yippee for him.
Well, I know this won't help, but his comment came out of nowhere. I didn't think you had cut him off or been disrespectful to his views.
ReplyDeleteWell sure it helps, thanks. :)
ReplyDeleteIt must have been something he wanted to say for a long time. Usually when a comment comes out of nowhere (in person or online) it was building up for a while.
Oh well. I'm ok now. I was very taken aback, but... onward.
Well, also this is a safe place to say things to vent anger you are feeling with those to whom you cannot express anger. Easier to pick on you than a "real" person, if you know what I mean.
ReplyDeleteVery brave (and mature) to lob an insult over his shoulder as he is heading out the door ...
ReplyDeleteVery brave (and mature) to lob an insult over his shoulder as he is heading out the door ...
ReplyDeleteHe is Canadian, after all.
Nice quick work from Shakespeare
ReplyDeleteI'm right with you on Braves, Redskins, Indians, etc.
ReplyDeleteThe one I do not understand is "Warriors." Why should that have any ethnic association?
Going back to Allan's question about why teams need nicknames....back in the olden days when so many cities had multiple teams, how would they have distinguished them? Or even with multiple sports. If a headline read "NY Beats Boston"---could be Yankees v Red Sox, Mets v Red Sox, Knicks v Celtics, Jets v Patriots, etc.
ReplyDeleteThey used to say "the Boston Americans" or the "New York Nationals", but I don't know how far that applies.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah, multiple sports, I didn't think of that!
ReplyDeleteWarriors, don't know why that should be ethnically charged, unless it's in the logo. Face paint, feathers, spears?
And why the hell didn't I say, "Boston Beats NY"...???
ReplyDeleteAnd why the hell didn't I say, "Boston Beats NY"...???
ReplyDeleteHey, YEAH!
Some of the old nicknames are wonderful: Dodgers, Athletics, Phillies.
ReplyDeleteI've never understood how Yankee (i.e., from New England!) can be a NY sports team name, but that's just one more thing to add to the long bill of indictment against the MFY.
I blame Harvey.
ReplyDeleteYankee in the sense of Northerner, as in the War Between the States, aka the Civil War.
ReplyDeleteOne more to go.
ReplyDeleteThe Dbax must be one of those teams with 42 different uni combos. Every time I see them they look completely different.
ReplyDeleteOh, I forgot to count. (I'm not very good at this job.)
ReplyDeleteOne. Two.
My Southern friends in college used to refer to those of us from the North as Yankees.
ReplyDeleteI blame Harvey.
ReplyDeleteYes, we all do.
He is used to it. It's his role in life.
ReplyDeleteMy Southern friends in college used to refer to those of us from the North as Yankees.
ReplyDeleteAnd my Brit friends refer to everyone from the US as Yanks.
I blame Harvey.
ReplyDeleteSure, why not? He's a man;)
But is he an overly PC white man? That's the question.
ReplyDeleteAnd then, of course, there is Yankee Doodle Dandy.
ReplyDeleteThis overly PC white man says:
ReplyDelete"The water is Muddy!!!"
Three.
ReplyDeleteDIrty>>Clean
Don't drink the water!
ReplyDeleteDIRTY
Poor Harv. Sitting here having no clue we are using him to get a few chuckles!
ReplyDeleteYea, I suppose, amy, but to me a Yankee is from New England, and the Southerners were just tarring all Northerners with the picky, fussy abolitionists New England was notorious for.
ReplyDeleteDirty water!
ReplyDeleteWell, my son and I leave tomorrow for a week of travel to Chicago/Boston. I'll join the conversation here when I can.
ReplyDeleteGood night, all. I may be home for tomorrow night's game, too. Yay.
ReplyDeleteAnd didn't they used to protest overseas, "Yankee Go Home" about all Americans?
ReplyDeleteContext is everything....
Safe travels, Mrs G. Have fun.
ReplyDeleteOK, good night to you all.
ReplyDeleteYes, spelled Yanqui in Latin America.
ReplyDeleteI'm not really going to be rational about the Yankees. It does not belong to NY, they stole it from New England, and...you know the rest!
ReplyDeleteThx. I'll get to a game at Wrigley and a game at Fenway.
ReplyDeleteDirty water! I see the thread exploded since the last time I stopped by. I always miss the good -isms discussions.
ReplyDelete5 books in a Wrinkle in Time series? I need to get reading.
My mom's coming in tonight. Her flight was supposed to arrive at Bradley at midnight. Now we're looking closer to 2am. ugh. long night ahead.
Nick, I feel for you. I can't do those late nights anymore. I've gotten too old.
ReplyDeleteRead the Wiki on the Wrinkle books on what books are considered part of the series and what aren't. The last time we talked, I knew there had been more since I was reading them (the third, A Swiftly Tilting Planet, was the last I remembered from my youth.) But apparently there are others featuring the characters' children but aren't considered part of the series.
ReplyDeleteI could see Pepe was angry and Laura was hurt, which was hard to read. I myself believe the Indian names are problematic, though I understand changing them would also be problematic.
As for the interpersonal stuff the exchange brought up, the only thing I feel compelled to mention is something from my experience. In the heat of an argument, one of my brothers once accused me of always having to have the last word. This was very hurtful to hear, and his phrasing was far from kind. But I had to admit, on reflection, to some fault on my part.
I realize that my last (and previously only) comment on the "-isms" discussion was a bit cavalier and did't adequately recognize that there was some real emotional intensity present in comments here on several issues that can be pretty charged in discussion. I don't have anything of value to add to the discussion at this point, but certainly no offense was meant.
ReplyDeleteAs for the interpersonal stuff the exchange brought up, the only thing I feel compelled to mention is something from my experience. In the heat of an argument, one of my brothers once accused me of always having to have the last word. This was very hurtful to hear, and his phrasing was far from kind. But I had to admit, on reflection, to some fault on my part.
ReplyDeleteI guess that's your way of saying that you see me that way - which is fine. I appreciate the insight.
I can see how in a thread discussion I can seem that way, although in person I'm very willing to let things go. I can try to end discussions earlier, not repeat myself. It's a useful challenge.
Going back over the thread, I see that I did repeat myself. That isn't to get some mythical last word, or to try to convince anyone that I am right. It's only because I was still thinking it. So instead of saying to myself, don't repeat yourself, you've already made that point, I just typed it.
I feel no need to always be "right" - and certainly feel nothing like that about this specific issue. I really only meant to continue the discussion.
That's my story. The other half of the story is that what Pepe said has no place in gamethreads, both in the way he said it and his voicing his opinion of me. As I said earlier and will gladly repeat, I'm sure we've all had thoughts about fellow commenters that may not always be kind - but we refrain from typing them, because it's not appropriate.
One can say, "This is how I feel and I don't want to discuss it anymore" (or words to that effect), and that is very different from "You are such-and-such".
Obviously, I was trying to be very gentle. Glad to discuss more by e-mail if you think it could be helpful.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your gentleness. No need to discuss further. I'm all too familiar with my own faults! Thanks tho.
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