September 17, 2008

G152: Rays 10, Red Sox 3

Red Sox - 200 100 000 -  3  6  2
Rays - 323 000 02x - 10 12 0
The Rays took batting practice against Wakefield, who lasted only 51 pitches, and dropped the Red Sox to 2 GB. Tampa Bay now holds the divisional tiebreaker (having won 10 of the 18 games played between the two teams), so Boston needs to make up three games in the standings to win the AL East.

The night started off with a bang, as Jacoby Ellsbury singled to left and David Ortiz cranked a one-out, two-run dong to right-center.

But the fun was short-lived. In the home half of the first, Akinora Iwamura singled and stole second, Jason Bartlett singled and stole second, Carlos Pena hit a sacrifice fly and Willy Aybar knocked a two-run homer -- and Tampa led 3-2.

In the second, the Rays' #8 and #9 batters -- Gabe Gross and Fernando Perez -- cranked back-to-back home runs. And when Evan Longoria doubled with one out in the third, Terry Francona had seen enough. Tito ended up using four pitchers in that inning: Wakefield, Devern Hansack, Javier Lopez and David Aardsma. Boston used a total of eight pitchers tonight.

Ortiz led off the fourth by launching a moon shot to right-center; it looked like it hit maybe one-third of the way up the big video scoreboard! But that was it for the Red Sox's offense. They got a couple of guys on with two outs in the fifth, but Tiz flew to center, and they wasted Kevin Youkilis's leadoff double in the sixth.

Both the Twins and White Sox lost. Cleveland beat Minnesota 6-4 and the Yankees beat Chicago 5-1. Boston remains 7 GA in the wild card -- with 10 games to play.

Remember: We are going to the playoffs this year -- most likely meeting up with the Angels -- while the Yankees are fighting tooth and nail to not finish in fourth place.

***

Tim Wakefield (3.92, 116 ERA+) / Matt Garza (3.60, 120 ERA+)

Tony Massarotti, Globe:
The schedule will tell you that the Red Sox will leave Tampa tonight with 10 games remaining on their schedule, so anything can still happen. The reality is that the Red Sox had better win tonight if they want to repeat as champions of the American League East.
Why? Click here.

Now ...
***
White Sox/Yankees at 7
Twins/Cleveland at 7
East                     Magic #
Rays 89 60 ---
Red Sox 89 62 1.0 12
Blue Jays 80 71 9.0 3
Yankees 80 71 9.0 3
Orioles 67 82 22.0 E

Wild Card Magic #
Red Sox 89 62 ---
Twins 82 69 7.0 5
Blue Jays 80 71 9.0 3
Yankees 80 71 9.0 3

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ish said...

So... What does happen when the bases are loaded and there's a deep fly ball to center that hits the warning track and bounces out of the field of play? Should be a ground-rule double, right? Should score two runs rather than one, right?

Jake of All Trades said...

Official Rules

4.11c:

If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter-runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base-running rules, and the game ends when the batter-runner touches home plate.


Since it says the game ends "immediately when the winning run is scored" with a homer being the only exception, I'd interpret the rule that only 1 run scores on a walk-off ground-rule double.

Does that seem right?

redsock said...

OMG - SEAN CASEY IS ALIVE!!!!

1. Jacoby Ellsbury, LF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Kevin Youkilis, 3B
5. Mark Kotsay, RF
6. Jed Lowrie, SS
7. Sean Casey, 1B
8. Coco Crisp, CF
9. Kevin Cash, C

ish said...

The way the wording is, then yes, that seems right.

The logic, however, doesn't seem right. If a ground-rule double is an "automatic double", that should apply to a walk-off hit, and therefore the runner at second should score and the batter should run to second base.

But apparently, that's not the case then.

Thanks, Jake!

redsock said...

Also: YED could come as early as tomorrow!

nixon33 said...

NIGHT OF THE LIVING CASEY

phil said...

Except instead of trying to suck other people's necks, we're worried about Casey's neck sucking.

redsock said...

My EI feed:

Mon - FSN - Sox kick ass
Tues - NESN - Rays squeak by
Wed - FSN -

Alright ... let's kick more ass!

redsock said...

expect some ultra-shitty calls at 2B tonight -- that's where meals is.

redsock said...

so if they draw another 25K tonight, you think even 15K of them are rays fans???

redsock said...

lyndon single to left -- come on fy.

phil said...

On base-o.

9casey said...

redsock said...
so if they draw another 25K tonight, you think even 15K of them are rays fans???



Yeah, It was loud there last night, the AKI chants especially.

Jere said...

ish--that's funny, I sent an email to sock about the ground rule double last night. My possible scenarios included a bases loaded, tie game situation where the batter goes all the way to third before the lead runner scores (all three runners standing in a row between third and home, not passing each other.)So you could milk anything up to a triple on a play like that-BUT, if the ball bounces over the wall, the only thing different is that the batter would have to stop at second (if he gets there before the winning run scores, for whatever reason.)

PAPI DONG. FUCKING FUCK YEAH

phil said...

Papi!

redsock said...

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
YEAH!

toss thatbat, you sexy motherfcuker

Jere said...

i have heard different opinions on fans--Remy acted like Rays fans were in full force last night. Some radio guy acted like it was all Sox fans. He did point out that a playoff series down there would bring even MORE Red Sox fans than usual. I think that would be fun.

phil said...

DO: "... onto the outfield gr... uh, artificial surface to make the catch."

9casey said...

Too much to ask to have Papi carry this team for a month....

Jere said...

hey wasn't someone lately saying "Papi just doesn't hit big deep fly balls anymore"?

(THen again, turn on the radio after one bad Papelbon performance and you'll hear people saying "he doesn't have what it takes to be a closer")

9casey said...

Kotsay is in a terrible slump....

And with Bay, doesn't anyone plan pregnancies anymore? I guess he thought he would be a pirate....

nixon33 said...

THAT WAS FUCKING HUGE.

now dance wakefield, DANCE!

redsock said...

i was kind of kidding - figuring that any boost in attendance would be red sox fans coming from even *further* away!

time for wake to flutter!

phil said...

Baltimore takes an early 1-0 lead against Toronto. Any chance they extend their 2-game winning streak to six or seven so they can stay hot before the FKR come to town?

9casey said...

phil said...
Baltimore takes an early 1-0 lead against Toronto. Any chance they extend their 2-game winning streak to six or seven so they can stay hot before the FKR come to town?



no

nixon33 said...

ADD AKI TO THAT LIST OF MINE

redsock said...

time for bartlett to make a pear of outs.

Jere said...

routine out turned into a non-out. god damn it. though if Wake did get the bag he was out. I think he may have.

9casey said...

nixon33 said...
ADD AKI TO THAT LIST OF MINE


I believe he has 6 HR's 4 against the sox

redsock said...

time for bartlett to make a pear of outs.

9casey said...

redsock said...
time for bartlett to make a pear of outs.

fruit jokes.ugh

andy said...

I can dig this october ball we are playing lately.

andy said...

He was ouuuutttt

Jere said...

"And with Bay, doesn't anyone plan pregnancies anymore? I guess he thought he would be a pirate...."

Beat you to that one, Mayor. Only I used the word "screw."

Jere said...

Casey--the fruit joke also originated from me on another nite. So I'll take your ugh.

9casey said...

Jere said...
"And with Bay, doesn't anyone plan pregnancies anymore? I guess he thought he would be a pirate...."

Beat you to that one, Mayor. Only I used the word "screw."




Right though , get a fuckin calender count out 9 months till Novmember, then fuck...

redsock said...

thought i was the first one to type "strand a pear". but maybe not.

redsock said...

could someone shove a bat up that heckler's hoo-hoo?

Jere said...

i thought i did, and you enjoyed it. maybe that's wrong. oh, wait, I said "pear of strikes," i think.

redsock said...

maybe the bayette was banging the mailman.

Jere said...

no, we won't chat with Tom Caron, we all developed places to chat about the Red Sox years ago, while you all made fun of us and used the "parents' basement" term. Now they want in our basements.... fuckin media.

Jere said...

there goes the lead.

phil said...

Bleh.

nixon33 said...

FUCK

this game is going to be nuts.

redsock said...

staats calling that dong in his loud "we win the world series" voice. not sure i can take this.

andy said...

jere was first with the pear jokes. i commented on it so i remember. he gets to wear the winner sticker

redsock said...

yep. i need a drink.

A Conformer said...

Right though , get a fuckin calender count out 9 months till Novmember, then fuck...

Maybe it's a premature Bay-by. Was supposed to be born in October, when the Pirates were assured to not be playing.

andy said...

Allan cant you see mlbtv?

nixon33 said...

GET THE FUCKING RUN BACK

redsock said...

migraine: "i think giving up that home run to ortiz was good for garza, to sting him a little bit"

then something like to wake him up or some such shit.

A Conformer said...

Bandwagon nation? Seriously? That FKR fan is delusional.

Although maybe you can't call the FKR fans bandwagon, since they're in first place in September and they can't fill a stadium.

A Conformer said...

Shit. I want Upton.

redsock said...

delusional, but cute. actually the other one, with the evan sign, was nicer.

i can get mlbtv, but only one feed (not sure which one is on tonight). and if i watch on this computer, then i really cannot thread at all (read or post).

redsock said...

migraine predicting a great night for gross against wake. he's a good "wait and hit" hitter.

then he says the jays will be "absolutely scary" nextyear.

A Conformer said...

delusional, but cute. actually the other one, with the evan sign, was nicer.

I was gonna say "that hot FKR fan", but I can't be sure since I'm on 400K mlb.tv. I wouldn't want the threaders thinking less of my taste.

nixon33 said...

this is getting harder.

A Conformer said...

WTF happened to Wake's dominance at the Trop?

redsock said...

mother fucker

it's fucking BP

redsock said...

shit, wake put that last one on a goddamn tee.

A Conformer said...

shit, wake put that last one on a goddamn tee.

No kidding. It might be the most hittable pitch I've ever seen...

Jere said...

trot nixon jersey in crowd

nixon33 said...

DOES THIS TEAM HAVE ENOUGH BALLS TO COME BACK AND SCORE 3(+) RUNS?
HUH? DO THEY???

Jere said...

we can get right back into this against 3daysrestie mcgee

redsock said...

now that cash has made his out, we'll see.

they got the dongs, but we got the balls.

redsock said...

fsn shows nesn booth - remy grimly watching the monitor and don with his head in his media notes!!!

nixon33 said...

great display of offense there!

efd said...

jeez, I like it a lot more when I get home from work and the Sox have a lead.

On the plus side, I didn't have to sit through that FKR barrage and can now relax and enjoy the comeback.

Right?

A Conformer said...

Fuck Yeah has been pretty human the last 10 games...

redsock said...

migraine mentioning brooks robinson when discussing longoria's nice play on the dp last inning

phil said...

I can't seem to shake the feeling like it's 2005.

Jere said...

i still say never take Wake out. Why is 7 innings of bullpen better? Wake can get it back as quickly as he can lose it. And even when he's lost it, the batters are still getting fucked up by swinging at pitches that could be going anywhere. Who do you think the next batter would rather face? A knucleballer, or any average, regular pitch throwing guy? And Wake never tires. I know on some days he REEEALLY has completely lost it. But I say all these bullpen innings are never worth it when you could just go Wake the whole time

nixon33 said...

THANKS WAKE

A Conformer said...

Is Wake our fourth starter in the playoffs? Games like this makes that a scary proposition. And in an indoor stadium, to boot... food for thought.

nixon33 said...

wow i feel like this game has been over since the bottom of the 1st.
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

redsock said...

And Wake never tires.

Not true. Wakefield has often said he's been whipped after 6-7-8 innings. The "knuckleballer can throw all day long" is a media myth.

Jere said...

"Not true. Wakefield has often said he's been whipped after 6-7-8 innings. The "knuckleballer can throw all day long" is a media myth."

A complete myth? The guy's been pitching for like 30 years with no sign of retiring.

ish said...

I understand Wakefield not being totally reliable, being a knuckleball and all... but why Hansack here? Off-day tomorrow, STOP THE BLEEDING NOW.

Shit on a stick.

A Conformer said...

I can't seem to shake the feeling like it's 2005.

In 2005 our number 1 starter was second half Matt Clement... And the 2005 version was an overachieving team built on offense while this one is an underachieving one that's very well balanced. I don't see the comparison at all.

redsock said...

i mean when everyone says he can throw 180 pitches in a game, "throw all day long", it's a lie.

tito could not afford to risk it any longer. i was surprised, since the WC is in the bag, but he's managing kinda like it's almost a must win game.

ish said...


A complete myth? The guy's been pitching for like 30 years with no sign of retiring.


So has Jamie Moyer. He's not a knuckleballer.

ish said...


tito could not afford to risk it any longer. i was surprised, since the WC is in the bag, but he's managing kinda like it's almost a must win game.


Are you sure? Using Hansack isn't exactly managing to win, I don't think. Especially with the off-day tomorrow.

redsock said...

or farrell told him wake was cooked, i don't know.

i like the 'sack. we'll shut these no-nothing fans up sooon enough.

ish said...

There we go. Here's the hook.

Jere said...

and I'm saying in a must-win game, the best move is not to trot out every guy in the bullpen over 7 innings, but go with a guy who could easily start pitching well again. Fine, if he gets tired after 6-7-or 8, pitch him until then.

ish said...

I like the Sack too, but if he should be counted upon in a big game, he wouldn't have been a September call-up.

redsock said...

now he's pulling sack?????

oy.

ish said...

How many pitches did Wake end up with?

A Conformer said...

Wow, Tito making mid-inning bullpen pitching changes in the third inning. I'd say he's managing to win.

ish said...

I wonder how long Garza will end up waiting for.

redsock said...

now i may be just a country blogger with not a lot of book learnin', but when you use three pitchers in the third inning, you're in trouble. ahh-yup.

andy said...

I hate the rays

ish said...

Just because you're a sidearm pitcher, doesn't mean you have to be a side-field pitcher.

redsock said...

wake 51.

A Conformer said...

Just because you're a sidearm pitcher, doesn't mean you have to be a side-field pitcher.

Yep. Horrible effort.

redsock said...

well, i say it's mute time.

andy said...

Red Sux

efd said...

well, i say it's mute time.

Seriously... Perez "has a good look in his eye"?! Give me a break.

andy said...

Oh sit down farrel this game is over. your pitchers are fucking idiots today. way to go john.

ish said...

Hahahaha.

Don: "It's been a 28 minute wait for Garza..."

Remy: "He doesn't care."

andy said...

I think we need mohawks.

A Conformer said...

"Looks like it's gonna be a bullpen night for Francona"

Gee, ya think, Staats?

efd said...

not to mention the foot-on-the-neck remark.

ish said...

Wow, Farrell looks pissed.

ish said...

What's this about.

Jere said...

Tito: "something something BULLSHIT something something something..."

efd said...

this series is developing palindromic qualities... blowout, close game, blowout.

Unfortunately, we were on the short end of the close game.

ish said...

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaardsma

ish said...

Well, the good news is since the Rays have blown it open, the Red Sox haven't batted yet.

ish said...

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! INNING IS OVER!!!!!

nixon33 said...

can we come back from this deficit?

redsock said...

okay, sox. down 6 with 6 innings to go.

you gonna fight back or you gonna mail it in? which will it be?

A Conformer said...

So, can Aarfy go multiple innings? We'll find out soon enough.

nixon33 said...

COME ON PAPI HIT THE 6 RUN HR!!!!

nixon33 said...

THERES ONE

ish said...

DONG!!!!!!!!!!

redsock said...

HOLY SHIT!

that was launched

Jere said...

mega dong

efd said...

Papi's doing his part!

ish said...

That hit the scoreboard!!!

A Conformer said...

Papi only needs 5 more of those. And then one in extra innings.

A Conformer said...

That was long enough to count as 2 dongs.

tim said...

COCK
FUCKING
GOBBLERS

Jere said...

am i the only one still waiting for a replay on that dong? or did i miss it?

redsock said...

work him, yook.

yeah garza ya punk, your ass is in our fuckin sights.

efd said...

Youk clogging up the bases with a walk.

Jere, there was a replay on FSN, but you are probably watching NESN.

Jere said...

No Remy, he'd already tagged up, and was going back. He wasn't trying to "double him up."

Jere said...

Rem and DO saying that dong hit a catwalk and never came down. Ish saying scoreboard. I never saw the ball, and I'd guess NESN's cams never saw it either, which is why they never showed a replay.

nixon33 said...

HORRID AT BAT LOWRIE!
JESUS

ish said...

Rem and DO saying that dong hit a catwalk and never came down. Ish saying scoreboard. I never saw the ball, and I'd guess NESN's cams never saw it either, which is why they never showed a replay.

NESN showed a camera angle that was pointed at the ceiling, and the ball clearly went over the catwalk and hit the scoreboard about 10-15 feet up.

What a terrible AB by Lowrie, eh? He swung at ball 3 and ball 4, then gets caught admiring a 75 mph curve.

efd said...

I just rewound my DVR to look at it again... on FSN you can definitely see it coming down, although I couldn't make out where it actually hit/landed.

phil said...

CWS 1 - MFY 0.

BAL 6 - TOR 5.

ish said...

FUCKING CATWALKS.

Jere said...

jeezus don, we can fucking see the ump calling the play dead while you're getting all excited for like 5 minutes

ish said...

Remy: "Maybe for the playoffs they could get some strings and ropes and things to make it even more interesting."

Jere said...

oh my lord

ish said...

Fugggggggggggly.

ish said...

Oh I'm the pitcher and I can't go catch a pop up.

You're a manly man, aren't you?

tim said...

fuck cocks

efd said...

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-1

nixon33 said...

good job, boys, good job.

i liked this game better when it was 4-2

Jere said...

Aardsma somehow looked like a mascot trying to catch a ball in a basket

andy said...

This is the best game ever.

andy said...

That remy comment about strings was awesome.

andy said...

The RedSox are my favorite team. They play good. They are gooder than all the rest.

redsock said...

3 errors -- all by pitchers. took back wake didn't make an E - we could be 4-for-4.

redsock said...

took back = too bad

jeez. i am typing like the sox are playing.

ish said...

They took the error away from Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaardsma

ish said...

Yeah. I thought the game started at 10.

ish said...

Somebody's doused the flames that had Coco engulfed just a few days ago.

ish said...

Okay. Pause.

Jacoby, see the #9 hitter, Cash, at first? See him? You do? Okay. There's 1 out. Don't ruin this opportunity.

redsock said...

if flo is gonna keep mashing dongs, let's get a guy or three on base for him.

Amy said...

Hmmm, tuning in late after class. I guess Wakefield did not do well at the Trop...

redsock said...

BIG MAN, if you please?

redsock said...

"grant dong" coming in to pitch.

andy said...

pussy rays manager.

efd said...

so Garza has a five run lead, and won't get the win.

Too bad.

redsock said...

WE NEED SOME DRANO -- TO UNCLOG THE BASES

efd said...

EDIT:

Garza not getting the win is a moot point, of course, since the Sox are going to come back!

andy said...

A 3 run shot here doesnt do shit for us so just do it no pressure

phil said...

Mortal.

nixon33 said...

i would have like a little tiny base hit better.

andy said...

Papi hit a grand out

phil said...

MFY tie it 1-1 in the 7th. Toronto ties it 6-6.

efd said...

in Tampa, operators are standing by "until the seventh inning" to take calls from people who want to place post-season ticket orders.

They can't stay open for the whole game??

tim said...

Fuckin' Garzer.

phil said...

2-1 MFY.

nixon33 said...

lets score two (or more)!

andy said...

Rays suck ass hahaha cant catch a ball idiots

andy said...

efd after the 7th inning they cant drink anymore so they cant sell tickets to there stupid fucking 1 hit wonder teams post season

redsock said...

worthless kotsay

hey jed, kindly remove your head from your ass before this AB!

andy said...

The rays did not win tonight, we lost.

nixon33 said...

GODDAMN IT!
PLEASE DONT WASTE THIS LEADOFF DOUBLE !

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

redsock said...

too late - message never got to him.

andy said...

You know wake has always pitched well at the trop. this year he hasnt. his pitches react to wind. do you think they did something with their ventilation system to take some of his wind away?

nixon33 said...

I HATE TONIGHT
FUCKING CUNTBITCHASSTWATFUCKINGFUCKFUCKASSDRIBBLERMOTHERFUCKERPISSNSHIT

nixon33 said...

WILD CARD!

Jere said...

"do you think they did something with their ventilation system to take some of his wind away?"

yes, while strangling babies

phil said...

take some of his wind away?

Like they did with Yul Brynner?

He's another year older, and they're lightyears better this year.

Bryon Harris said...

Just got home from work,

How Disapointing

nixon33 said...

TIME TO HIT PEOPLE

A Conformer said...

I liked Balfour a lot better when he had a funny name and sucked. This year he's just not doing it for me.

andy said...

Yeah lets start a fight

Jere said...

Tampa's offense was pretty good last year, too--plus they had that bat throwing guy

ish said...

One thing I hope for, if the Red Sox lose this game, is to focus on the Angels from here on out. Set up the pitching staff, get guys healthy and get them some rest, and prepare solely for the LA Angels so you can go in prepared just like they will.

andy said...

September was supposed to be a real easy month with rays and jays games for the most of it. this shit is bullshit.

andy said...

Yes. angels must be destroyed.

tim said...

I'm watching this on mute (Directv nesn feed) in the computer room, cause my dad's on the phone.

It's also on in the TV room (dishnet nesn feed) but with sound. I can hear the sound in that room, and it is 1 second faster than the visual on the TV in this room. I feel like Nostradamus.

x-hj-x said...

[delurk]

I saw this comment posted at Massarotti's column by a Rays fan before the game and found it interesting:

"...Wakefield is going down tonight.. They've changed the humidity and temp in the Trop just for him. Can you say meatball?"

Jere said...

but what if while prepping for LAA, you happen to win the next three. And Tampa loses their next three and we're one game up. Do you go back to trying for the division?

nixon33 said...

I feel like Nostradamus.

or nostradumbass ;p

ish said...

"...Wakefield is going down tonight.. They've changed the humidity and temp in the Trop just for him. Can you say meatball?"

I thought about that earlier. It wouldn't surprise me. All you'd need to do to increase the humidity in that place is open an office window.

Remember in Toronto last year where J.P. Riccardi wanted to keep the roof open as long as possible?

A Conformer said...

A new all-spanish-plural team member: Flores.

ish said...

It's also on in the TV room (dishnet nesn feed) but with sound. I can hear the sound in that room, and it is 1 second faster than the visual on the TV in this room. I feel like Nostradamus.

Usually I have the radio on which is about 1 second faster than NESN... I can't listen to it tonight because Dale Arnold sucks at play-by-play.

tim said...

or nostradumbass ;p

zing! motherfucker.

I thought about that earlier. It wouldn't surprise me. All you'd need to do to increase the humidity in that place is open an office window.

Remember in Toronto last year where J.P. Riccardi wanted to keep the roof open as long as possible?


Heh, yup. Fucking domes suck. But my office...well, we pump the A/C in Canadian February so eff that ess, yo.

And yup to keeping the SkyDome roof open as long as possible - I was there! It was fuckin cold!

redsock said...

so we're holding them at 8, but whenever we get a guy on base, our bats suddenly go down the shitter.

funix
cash
lyndon

we can do this ... really ... it is mathematically possible ...

andy said...

See i fucking told you they fucked with wakes environment.

ish said...

Gumball? Fucking gumball? You got to be kidding me.

tim said...

3 in the 7th
3 in the 8th
3 in the 9th

we can do this. omitting the first one is also acceptable.

tim said...

why gumball? wtf

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