September 19, 2008

G153: Red Sox 4, Blue Jays 3

Red Sox   - 000 030 010 - 4  9  1
Blue Jays - 020 010 000 - 3 7 1
Jonathan Papelbon's throwing error put the tying run at second base with no one out in the bottom of the ninth, but he snuffed the next three hitters on a soft liner to shortstop, a groundout to second (runner to third) and a swinging strikeout of Travis Snider.

The Rays routed Minnesota 11-1, so Boston remains 1.5 GB in the East. But the wild card lead is back to 7.5.

***

Paul Byrd (4.53, 98 ERA+) / A.J. Burnett (4.19, 103 ERA+)

David Ortiz on winning the division or wild card:
If you're in, you're in. It doesn't matter. We won the division last year. We look forward to being back in the playoffs this year. I never noticed the difference between winning the division and going in as the Wild Card. As long as you're in, you're in. That's what everybody looks for -- being in the top four.
Yet, I also believe the East can still be had: Down by 1.5 and knowing the tiebreaker is Tampa's, the Red Sox need to make up 2.5 games with 10 left on the schedule.

Tony Massarotti is thinking about the post-season roster. ... Mike Lowell reports a "slight improvement" with his right hip. ... Check out these year's rookie hazing pix (Chris Carter has got some serious jugs).

***

Mike Puma, Post:
On the bright side, the Yankees don't have to worry about their season ending in a fourth straight AL Division Series meltdown. ...

"Why is everybody acting like this year is over with?" Jeter said.
The Yankees can be officially eliminated from the division race tonight, if the Rays win and New York loses. Any Red Sox wins and/or Yankees losses totalling three will eliminate the Yankees from the wild card race.

***
Twins/Rays at 7
Orioles/Yankees at 7
White Sox/Royals at 8
East                     Magic #
Rays 90 61 ---
Red Sox 89 63 1.5 10
Blue Jays 82 71 9.0 2
Yankees 82 71 9.0 2
Orioles 67 84 23.0 E

Wild Card Magic #
Red Sox 89 63 ---
Twins 83 70 6.5 4
Blue Jays 82 71 7.5 3
Yankees 82 71 7.5 3

546 comments:

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Jere said...

Minor leaguer from mid-90s in Mets' org.: Hamlet Guerrero.

SoSock said...

I got the same feeling about our short-lived newbie.
Just hit a button, and she would have nothing to do with hearing people's explanations of their comments, none of which seemed to be insulting to me.
A shame too, she seemed interesting.

Jere said...

Gary Ward and his son...

L-girl said...

Did you guys both get Babe Towne w/o looking it up?

phil said...

Gene Hamlet Krapp.

Jere said...

Babe Towne was my first look-up

L-girl said...

Sosock, yes, well put.

Hamlet Guerrero is a great name!

A Conformer said...

Gene Hamlet Krapp.

Also on the all shit team.

phil said...

Lance Parrish and Larry Parrish were a few more parishes.

Jere said...

Wayne County

Amy said...

Yeah, having a math person here would have been fun. It's too bad...oh, well.

No baseball player named Villa? I know there must be. I just am too lazy to look it up.

Amy said...

LOL, Ofer---the all shit team. Wasn't that the 62 Mets?

L-girl said...

Gene Hamlet Krapp.

Also on the all shit team.


Oh no... !!

And obviously the Shakespearean team.

SoSock said...

Not sure why we're bringing in Oki now, since GDGD says Vernon Wells flied out for both the second AND third at-bats of the inning.
Our bat, by my count

A Conformer said...

Any Hoods?

phil said...

Pete Hamm?

L-girl said...

I've been trying to think of a county. I don't look up. I leave that to Phil.

Amy said...

Hood: sponsor of the Boston Red Sox

redsock said...

Castig just said MDC "pitched one perfect inning"

1 out in the 7th and 2 outs in the 8th does NOT equal a "perfect inning". jesus!

Jere said...

I consider myself a "math" person, for what it's worth.

Amy said...

INSURANCE RUNS, PLEASE

phil said...

Not sure why we're bringing in Oki now

Because Francona wants to burn everyone before using Papelbon in the 9th?

L-girl said...

I bet there's a hood in there somewhere. That's a good one. Nabe would work too.

Block? How local are we getting?

SoSock said...

And I'm sure someone else has mentioned this but...
Bay > OverBay , no matter what it might sound like.

A Conformer said...

Shakepeare team... that would be hard. I don't think there was a Chris Desdemona anywhere.

Amy said...

Ok, Jere, we will ask you all the tough statistical questions.

redsock said...

I admit to being a tad worried with Bot in the 9th. Good thing it's the 6-7-8 hitters.

L-girl said...

Jere, did you see that woman's blog? Serious higher math. Uni prof.

Maybe you do that, too, I don't know.

redsock said...

Knoblauch

Jere said...

KIrby Puck-ett?

L-girl said...

Re Bot, I get worried too.

Re Shakespeare, lots of Henrys.

Amy said...

Huston Street

A two fer

A Conformer said...

Block? How local are we getting?

If we get into blocks, then Street, Lane, Rhodes, and their friends will want in two. You have to put the line somewhere.

Jere said...

I'm good at math up to a point. I'll put it that way.

L-girl said...

Oh yeah, Blauchead, forgot about that little guy.

Amy said...

Knoblauch...great one!

phil said...

Lots of Shakespeare characters go by a single name that's also a typical first name.

A Conformer said...

Some insurance would be nice.

redsock said...

wow -- huge increase in traffic today -- like almost one-third higher than normal -- wallace stuff.

also this search string:

"what parks do the red sox and yankees play in for their winter parks, and what cities. tell me a little bit each park"

:>0

SoSock said...

mmmm Overbay to Bay.
and my q about Oki was sarcastic. GDGD was pulling one of it's typical stunts, listing Wells' at-bat twice, and showing it as the 2nd AND 3rd outs of the inning.

L-girl said...

I gotta agree with Ofer. Block should stay on the street team with Rhodes, Huston, et al.

Buffy talking about Schill's Mannytalk. "You can always count on Curt Schilling to tell it like it is."

How do you know it's "like it is", Buffy you fool??? What if it's just pure BULLSHIT??!!

Jere said...

Seriously?

L-girl said...

"what parks do the red sox and yankees play in for their winter parks, and what cities. tell me a little bit each park"

Those are the search strings that crack me up.

"where is a nice place to live in canada because i am tired of living where i live now and someone told me canada is nice"

A Conformer said...

Charlie Monfort-inbras?

phil said...

Seriously?

Win.

L-girl said...

Jere, excellent find. Talk about the Shakespeare team!

SoSock said...

A little insurance please, but not from AIG

Amy said...

King Lear! Great baseball name.

No ball players named Romeo?

phil said...

JtC could be Lord Chamberlain from Henry VIII.

Amy said...

SoSock, yes, no AIG.

phil said...

Joe Cicero.

A Conformer said...

Fuck, I can't believe I didn't think about it before... the Sox just DFA'd a McBeth.

Amy said...

Uhoh, bottom of the 9th with the increasingly fallible and hittable Papelbon.

redsock said...

Virgil "Fellow Of Infinite" Jester

Jere said...

Mike Mussina (Lord Bigot)

L-girl said...

OMG, do they have to call Papelbon "Little Papi"??? God what idiots.

L-girl said...

The Shakespeare team is coming along nicely!

redsock said...

LAA: 322 13
TEX: 009 0

!

Jere said...

I typed in Lear thinking there was a better chance of a Norman Lear than an actual King Lear...

A Conformer said...

Wow, Virgil Milton Jester... I'd bet 5000$ one of his parents was a literature professor, poet, author, or something of the sort.

phil said...

Shelley Duncan. (Macbeth.)

redsock said...

Bot in and Tito makes the infield weaker with Cora at ss (Jedi 3B, Yook 1B)

A Conformer said...

Horacio Ramirez, too. And someone at some point must have called Ankiel or Henderson over by shouting: Yo, Rick!

Amy said...

OH FUCK

L-girl said...

Dear Bot,

Please be Bot.

Love always,

....

oh shit.

phil said...

Fenton Mole (Merry Wives of Windsor).

Fucking Papelbon.

A Conformer said...

Titus Francona Andronicus

Jere said...

Papelbon just ain't much a of a fielder.

Amy said...

Yo, Rick! LOL

redsock said...

Update:

LAA: 322 15
TEX: 009 0

Crazy linescores tonight

L-girl said...

Yo Rick :>)

redsock said...

FUCKING LIND (and bot and etc.)

L-girl said...

Probably no Guildersterns or Rosencrantzes.

A Conformer said...

What happened? Was it Genius' fault?

L-girl said...

Oh Titus! There's a 1918 Titus.

They called him Tight Ass.

L-girl said...

The Look is only good if you can back it up.

SoSock said...

Yo Rick - priceless.

Amy said...

I am getting tired of these tense ninth innings.

redsock said...

Shit. Can Masterson get ready, pls?

L-girl said...

From our parody thread: "Well, nice seeing you all, I'm off to get a burger..."

Jere said...

John Montgomery Ward is on the all municipality team, the all store team, and the all Shakespeare team (John Montgomery, Henry VI, Part 3). And of course, the all prostitution team and all break-up letter team and all male dead body team and all bathroom team.)

phil said...

Curt Montague Schilling.

redsock said...

Rays hold on and win 11-1.

L-girl said...

Schilling, of course! Very good.

Jere, I don't get all of those, but it's very funny.

Bot, please. Please.

Jere said...

"Probably no Guildersterns or Rosencrantzes"

Those were the first two I looked up:)

Jere said...

The "John" is the key to the last few....

L-girl said...

Ok, I got them all now. John is a very versatile name.

L-girl said...

At least I got it before I read Jere's hint.

phil said...

Kelly Paris.

SoSock said...

OK, WTF is going on here?
GDGD has Zaun making an out but it also has him being the 1st batter of the inning! Yeesh!
It shows a runner at 2nd and 1 out - HELP!

Amy said...

Yeah, I was thinking there must be a Paris. And a Bernardo. I can't find a Laertes or a Polonius though.

Amy said...

There is a runner at second and one out. Leadoff hitter got there by Bot's throwing error.

A Conformer said...

On the All-Shakespeare-didn't-really-write-his-plays team:
The Rockies' Francis, Eddie Bacon, and Dick Marlowe.

redsock said...

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, bacon ...

L-girl said...

Shakespeare Team's gonna kick their phony asses.

SoSock said...

Thanks - so Zaun is still batting?

L-girl said...

Is Polonia close enough?

Amy said...

Yup, Zaun still at bat, now grounds out. Two away, SoSock.

phil said...

FKR's Mitch Talbot. (Henry VI.)

Amy said...

Boy, a year ago I wouldn't have been worrying if Bot had two away. Not this year.

Amy said...

Lots of Antony's from Julius Caesar.

A Conformer said...

Those unis make the BJs look like 12-year olds in their jammies.

L-girl said...

You guys are good on the minor characters.

phil said...

Ulysses Frank Grant.

Amy said...

Or would you spell that Antonys? I think the apostrophe seems right, even though it is plural, not possessive. What do my experts say?

SoSock said...

Aha! I think they caught up. Shows Zaun grounding out, and the damn tying run now at 3rd with 2 outs. Funny thing is - it still lists Zaun as the FIRST batter.
Now I know why I called it Goddamn Gameday.

Amy said...

Two strikes. ONE MORE, PAP.

L-girl said...

I call them softball unis.

phil said...

Frank Viola. (Twelfth Night).

phil said...

Water!

L-girl said...

No apostrophe.

Whew. Thank goodness. Dirty Water.

Amy said...

DIRTY WATER! Pap holds on to his cool. PHEW

Jere said...

DW/T/JttW

L-girl said...

I'm hungry and tired. (Waaaa, waaa.) See you all!

redsock said...

Still 1.5 GB East

WC lead back to 7.5 over Min & MFY

Amy said...

Aren't those like the uniforms all the teams wore back in the weird 70s when Oscar Gamble had that massive afro?

phil said...

FKR 11 - MIN 1.

MFY 3 - BAL 2.

redsock said...

There's a win.

A Conformer said...

The Tek "stand up" works! I don't think I've ever seen that before.

High heat, dirty water.

phil said...

MFY better start losing so Toronto has a chance to retake third place after we're through with them.

SoSock said...

We gain one tomorrow!
(That's my story and I'm sticking to it)
Later, gotta fix a lineup for my first fall game that counts. :)

A Conformer said...

WC lead back to 7.5 over Min & MFY

Oh, are we still keeping score of the whole WC thing?

Hey, didn't the Rays just clinch a playoff spot, now that I think of it?

A Conformer said...

Oh, never mind. They need one more win, or for one of the MFY & Twins to NOT go undefeated to clinch. Yeah, I think they're in.

SoSock said...

Oh man, I saw the O. Gamble reference and remembered seeing that link when I skimmed back thru the thread. Jeez, what a fro!
I must admit - I with my super curly hair had a pretty mean one myself. Not quite THAT mean, but pretty mean.
My kids love nothing more than pulling out the old picture albums when they make new friends.

phil said...

I always thought the runner has to choose between rounding off at first base or heading towards second and couldn't do the former and subsequently elect to do the latter. But Rule 7.08(c) just phrases it as an exception to the tag rule, so I must've made it up.

phil said...

(Thinking of Wilkerson's play.)

Jere said...

"There's a win."

That's a win.

phil said...

7.08 Any runner is out when- . . .

(c) He is tagged, when the ball is alive, while off his base. EXCEPTION: A batter runner cannot be tagged out after overrunning or oversliding first base if he returns immediately to the base;

Jere said...

Maybe you're thinking of how after you take the left turn, you can't go and act like you didn't, you're able to be tagged out now. ?

phil said...

7.08(j) continues:

(j) He fails to return at once to first base after overrunning or oversliding that base. If he attempts to run to second he is out when tagged. If, after overrunning or oversliding first base he starts toward the dugout, or toward his position, and fails to return to first base at once, he is out, on appeal, when he or the base is tagged; Runner who touches first base in overrunning and is declared safe by the umpire has, within the intent of Rule 4.09 (a) "reached first base" and any run which scores on such a play counts, even though the runner subsequently becomes the third out for failure to return "at once," as covered in Rule 7.08 (j).

phil said...

No, I was thinking that if you take the right turn, you can't then proceed to second. Apparently you're allowed to, as long as you don't get tagged before you get there.

phil said...

Although 7.10(c) provides:

"7.10 Any runner shall be called out, on appeal, when-
(c) He overruns or overslides first base and fails to return to the base immediately, and he or the base is tagged[.]"

Maybe that's where it comes from. Youk would've had to catch the throw, though.

phil said...

So if you turned right at first and tried to go to second, the firstbaseman could just tag the base and you'd be out.

meuniermr said...

De-lurking to point out that the Magic Number is now 2 with the FKR's win over the Twinkies and our own. Clinch Day could be one sunrise away..

phil said...

NESN just showed the Sheffield brawl. He comes away looking like a puffy Mike Tyson.

Jere said...

Angels fail to score in every inning.

phil said...

So then would the proper play for Youk have been to take the recovered ball and touch first?

phil said...

By Wilkerson, I of course mean Lind. Wilkerson was the pinch runner.

SoSock said...

The runner at first rule is tough for some. If the runner heads back to 1st immediantly (this is at the umpire's discretion) REGARDLESS of which way he turns, he is safe.
If he makes any move that is construed as attempting to advance, he is subject to being tagged out.
We always teach the kids to turn right just to be safe and not give the ump a chance to say he was attempting the advance. But to answer the last question, turning right does not preclude advancing. If you turn right and see that the ball got past the 1st baseman you can take off.

Jere said...

I don't see the confusion. As soon as the guy turns toward second, he's live meat.

"Clinch Day could be one sunrise away.."

But I still gotta root for Minny tomorrow.

Jere said...

And yes, when I said turn toward second, I meant make a move that means he was thinking about advancing. Technically you can turn to your left to go back to first, that's not a "move toward second."

SoSock said...

Oh and - I don't think you can ever touch the base and get the out. If he has passed 1st the force is off, and you would have to tag the runner. I can't think of any situation right now that would allow you to tag the base for the out.

SoSock said...

mmmmm, looking at that wording in the rule, maybe you can tag the base. That's interesting. I'll be asking our umpires about that tomorrow. Might have just learned something new. We're supposed to do that every so often I hear.

phil said...

I'm not saying any ump would've made the call, but wouldn't a straightforward reading of the rules compel it?

phil said...

It may be controlled by 7.08(j) which says "He fails to return at once to first base after overrunning or oversliding that base. If he attempts to run to second he is out when tagged."

If you read the "if he attempts to run to second" clause as "if and only if", then he can run to second all he wants.

SoSock said...

I'm on GDGD so I didn't see the play in question. I just know that we often hear kids being told they can be tagged out if they turn left, and that's not right. If you turn left and go straight back to 1st you can't be tagged out. It IS best to turn right so as not to be misconstrued.
And I have to question being able to tag the base. If the ump decides you were contemplating advancing, you should just take off for second. You're probably out, but they have to execute it. To say you can just tag the bag seems like saying if I round first on a hit to the outfield, then get hung up in between 1st and 2nd, they just have to tag 1st and I'm out. And we know that's not true.

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