June 5, 2008

G63: Red Sox 7, Rays 1

Rays    - 010 000 000 - 1  9  0
Red Sox - 310 300 00x - 7 8 1
The Red Sox complete a sweep of Tampa -- and take a 1.5-game lead in the East -- with an easy win highlighted by a 15-minute second-inning brawl.

Shields hit Coco Crisp in the front thigh to lead off the second. Coco took one step towards first, then charged the mound. Unlike most baseball "fights", this one featured real and repeated punches. Crisp and Shields were ejected, as was Jonny Gomes, who was on top of the pile hammering punches down on Crisp (and a few on his own teammates). (Carl Crawford should have been ejected for the same activity.)

Manny Ramirez belted a three-run dong over everything in left in the first and then drove in two more runs with a bases-loaded single in the fourth. Lester's outing was walk-free (6.1-8-1-0-5, 108) and Mike Timlin and David Aarsdma finished up.

One broadcast note: When Kevin Youkilis (who went to right field when Jacoby Ellsbury was pulled after hurting his right wrist on a diving catch in the fourth) was plunked by Al Reyes in the eighth, Joe Magraine (FSN Tampa) said, with his voice dripping with sarcasm: "What a shame."

Youkilis had not done anything noteworthy in the game. Apparently, Magraine doesn't like how Yook complains on called strikes -- which is odd, since Magraine himself was groaning loudly tonight on several close pitches that were not called strikes on Red Sox hitters. It clearly made his night that a Red Sox hitter had been drilled -- and he was happy to share his glee. Classy guy.

***

Note the early starting time!

James Shields (3.24, 128 ERA+) / Jon Lester (3.67, 118 ERA+)

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allan said...

I'm busy cleaning the house, but McGowan/Wang begins at 1:00.

Jere said...

Jays walk the leadoff man, Yanks get 2 runs on 1 hit. McDungeon for McGowan. Wang is THROWING A PERFECTO thru 2.

Jere said...

Oh and I'm at Fenway tonight so I won't be around....

Jere said...

McGowan gives up hits to Posada (who hasn't played in a month) and the .220 hitting Cano to start the second. I guess he doesn't have it today....

Jere said...

And the, uh, jinx works as he gets a DP and then a K after falling behind 3 and 0. Sweet! Still 2-0 Yanks after 2.

Patrick said...

Allan's cleaning house!

I feel like thats slang for doing something real good.

allan said...

I feel like thats slang for doing something real good.

Other than making the house look purrdy for the third annual wmtc party on Saturday, no.

Jere said...

All those years in the desert, you telling me he didn't have occasion to clean house every once in while??

Jays leave 'em loaded (but break up el perfecto) in third, and Yanks get leadoff runner on YET AGAIN in bottom half. Now Shemp up, two on, two out, still 2-0. Maybe one more squander and then the Jays can start their comeback. And cap it off against Farnsworth later.

Jere said...

The Stair-Matt-ster! Two-run dong and we're tied!

Jere said...

Jays take lead 3-2 in 5th, still hitting. Wang almost at 90 pitches. Fun.

Benjamin said...

3-2 Bluebirds. Bases loaded with one out after an error and HBP.

Jere said...

7 to effin' 2!!!! HAAHAHA. Eat it, Ace Wang.

Zenslinger said...

The fifth is turning into a nightmare for Wang, with five runs in so far. The first came on a Milk Dud error, but they have been scored with one out, so I think his ERA is still on the hook.

Tuesday night was amazing at Fenway. I'll have to do a little post on it.

allan said...

Best thing about this game is that with these two teams done for the day and no hockey, Sportsnet will almost surely show the NESN feed, so if EI stick me with FSN, I'll switch over. (They usually show NESN when the Jays are not playing, though theu have shown the MFY a couple of times.)

allan said...

Zen: I was looking through an old post and saw you mention you were going this week. Always good to see a win!

allan said...

HA! My ESPN rant got linked at Big League Stew:

"Now I've read everything: A Red Sox fan, of all people, is complaining about ESPN. If there's one fanbase that should have absolutely no beef with the four-letter network that King Hank says created them, it's Red Sox Nation. [The Joy of Sox]"

Jere said...

I just re-uploaded the video I shot of Manny's 500th with slightly better quality if anybody wants to take a peek.

Jere said...

Yanks had dicks with no out, but only score 2 in 5th. 7-4 Jaze.

allan said...

Jere's recap of last night's contest was a true gem! Easily his best one yet!

Jere said...

Thanks. I gotta go to Fenway now--hope the Jays can hang on.

Zenslinger said...

Very nice one, Jere.

Amy said...

Jere, great film (especially the psychedelic parts). What awesome seats you must have had. I won't even bother to ask how you got them since it will only bring on more razzing of my inability to snag seats.

Just entered my name in the school's lottery for games in August and September. I can hope to get the chance to buy some that way.

Enjoy the game!

Benjamin said...

I thought "Hebrew Hammer" was Gabe Kapler's nickname.

allan said...

TOR - 000 250 0 - 7 6 0
NYY - 200 022 0 - 6 10 1

Benjamin said...

Bluebirds can't capitalize. Still 7-6 with two MFY frames left.

Benjamin said...

Cano with the -.209 WPA doubleplay.

Zenslinger said...

Jays hang on in the bottom of the eighth, then put on two with no outs vs. Farnsworth in the top of the ninth.

Posada comes out...?

Benjamin said...

Clutch Damon flyout ends the inning, stranding two. Farnsworth gives up a couple singles to start the 9th.

Benjamin said...

Duncan had pinch run for Posada.

Benjamin said...

Stairs double. 8-6 Bluebirds.

allan said...

Lyndon, LF
Fuck Yeah, 2B
On Fire, RF
Bad Man, DH
Dr Doubles, 3B
Mayor, 1B
SASAHE, C
Ococ, CF
"I Hate" Lugo, SS

Benjamin said...

HGH walkoff. Fucking Bluebirds.

Zenslinger said...

Giambi walkoff HR! Yanks win 9-8.

Goddam!

Amy said...

NY wins on Giambi walkoff...

Joe Grav said...

fuckin' yanks. what the fuck.

allan said...

And they creep back to .500 -- and 6 GB.

allan said...

NYY has not been as many as 2 games over .500 since April 23.

They have been as many as 2 games over for exactly 2 days this year: April 16 (9-7) and April 23 (12-10).

allan said...

fuck.

looks like i'm getting a migraine tonight.

joe migraine, that is.

fsn on the package -- and nada on rogers.

laura k said...

Hi all

Benjamin said...

The WPA graph for that MFY game is crazy, of course. It looks a bit like the one from last year's Mother's Day game against the William birds.

laura k said...

OK, I'll bite. William bird?

Benjamin said...

King William III, aka William of Orange.

laura k said...

ON FIRE!

allan said...

retaliate against us AND we get a base runner? nice.

WERD.

laura k said...

King William III, aka William of Orange.

Whoa.

Benjamin said...

They didn't wait for Coco to come up for the HBP?

Zenslinger said...

On Fire is still on fire!

laura k said...

THANKS BEING!!!!

allan said...

MBM!!!!!!

f u shields!!!

nick said...

getting ready to go out in a couple of minutes. nice to see a manny dong before I go!

Zenslinger said...

Man-Man-Manny!

Joe Grav said...

daaaaaaaayum

Benjamin said...

MANNY!

Benjamin said...

Rallykilling waste of a double, imo.

Joe Grav said...

manny says 'get that shit out of my house'

Joe Grav said...

quarter-dong

laura k said...

Tamper announcers wondering if Manny is even aware that the Celtics are "going for a world championship tonight".

This is SO OLD. When will they ever give that up.

As if the man's baseball career depends on what he knows about the NBA.

allan said...

true - double would have been better for manny -- no tonly would he get the two runs home -- but the sox would have had a runner at second.

now they got no one on.

allan said...

migraine then had to correct himself and say the celts are beginning to go for a title tonight. idiot.

Joe Grav said...

i was gonna say...

nick said...

no kidding allan. if manny had gotten that double, there's a chance he might've scored on the fluke single!

Then the sox would've been up 3-nut.

Joe Grav said...

backwards K

Zenslinger said...

I was hurrying to Fenway Tuesday night from another engagement, so as I went in I forgot to get misty eyed about the fact that I hadn’t been there since 1994. But a lot had happened since Frankie Viola was the focus of our hopes, so emotion did kind of seep in as the game went on. We were in the center-field bleachers, where, on the left-field side, the row hits an angled wall with some chain-link patches in it. I could thus leap up and watch tense plays with my back to this wall without spoiling anyone’s view, and between plays took to lacing my fingers into the chain link, reminding myself I was there in Fenway.

It wasn’t as difficult to get tickets through StubHub as I thought, and even with the fees and markup did not feel like too much of a ripoff, at least not to do it just once. And the game was sublime: exciting enough to be interesting, but the win didn’t come too hard for the Sox in the end, so the evening had a happy, easy air.

I didn’t get up for beer – just didn’t want to miss anything. Lots of high points: The Celtics fan on the field was the wildest moment. Security really seemed to underestimate his athleticism. The ovation for Manny at his first plate appearance back from the road trip and 500 HR’s was pretty intense. And despite the 3-run lead, I could appreciate the pressure under which Papelbon enters every time.

The funniest element was the couple of very drunk young men in our section. First, they insisted on the Wave, and got it going all the way around the Park to their loud delight. I don’t care for the Wave in general and loathe it in baseball. Immediately after their Wave triumph, Pena hit his two-run HR, after which I bellowed, “No more fucking Wave!”

Later on these two began to continuously heckle BJ Upton. “Uuuuup-ton! Uuuuuup-ton! Uuuuuuup-ton – YOU SUCK!” Now, Upton was having a great game; he’s young and fast; and he’s on my fantasy team. So I began saying things like, “Uuuuup-ton! You’re 2 for 3 with a stolen base and two runs scored!” Or I would try to fit “.410 On Base!” on top of their “YOU SUCK!” Someone nearby told me we tried to trade for Upton (which I didn’t realize), so I got some mileage out of that to the amusement of those around us.

It was a fun night – a little drunk, but not too much; a bit of give-and-take with the Bostonians, but nowhere near flying fists; friends and relatives I had not seen in a while; and the Red Sox rolling to a win. Perfect.

allan said...

i hope manny's HR doesn't come back to haunt us in this game.

allan said...

but wait -- if manny had hit a double (better than a dong, i grant you) -- would he then be clogging the bases?

can someone call dusty baker and get a ruling, pls?

nick said...

manny clogging would've prevented casey from stealing home! we coulda been up, uh...4 nothing?

Joe Grav said...

ococ making himself sound really dumb on the nesn broadcast.

Benjamin said...

These Lester strikeouts keep inflating his pitchcount. He should give up more one-pitch hits.

nick said...

alright. I'm gone. have fun y'all.

Benjamin said...

See, a two-pitch double. That's being pitch efficient.

Zenslinger said...

The other funny baseball thing about my trip was the night previous. We were with my friend's stepmother; all were lubed up a bit on what grows from the good earth -- and she was trying to talk baseball a bit while Okajima was getting ready to toss a Baltimore sweep out the window.

Wasn't it true, she wondered, that advancing on a sacrifice fly was basically the same thing as a stolen base? Oh, no, we said. Totally different. But, she said, isn't it true that it's after the out that the runner can take the base...really, sort of, almost the same thing as stealing it?

My friend went off into a long explanation -- trying to be conciliatory since we were sitting in this woman's house. In his ramblings, he ended up inventing a new statistical category to which both phenomena could belong: Siutational Advancement.

The next night at the game we were going on about Team Situational Advacement rankings and Selective Situational Advancement Indifference.

Benjamin said...

all were lubed up a bit on what grows from the good earth

Crisco?

laura k said...

Whew, thanks OnFire.

allan said...

wow - that's some real shit.

Benjamin said...

Iwamura reads up on the latest by David Sedaris.

Joe Grav said...

Fuck coco. I'm not amused. I hope the rays bash his face in.

Benjamin said...

So they get two HBPs out of the deal?

Joe Grav said...

Fuck Gomes too.

laura k said...

Fuck the Yankees, this is where it's at. Sox-Rays: Rivalry for the 21st Century!

laura k said...

Coco for President!

Joe Grav said...

who was that asshole who kneed him too?

allan said...

was itlongoria who was wailing punches into the crowd/

Benjamin said...

Coco should counter-retaliate by stealing third from first.

Joe Grav said...

good job jacoby!!

allan said...

well, navarro took his mask off.

Joe Grav said...

bye bye shields hahahahahaha

Benjamin said...

Am I to understand fangraphs.com isn't adequately covering what must be a bench clearing brawl?

Joe Grav said...

i love baseball, but baseball players are so immature.

laura k said...

Look at fucking Gomes sucker punching Lugo while he's on the ground being held down!! What an asshole.

allan said...

who is 13 on the rays? he was puching like crazy too -- on coco while in the pile?

Amy said...

Holy shit! What happened? I just turned on the game....Coco out, Shields out...WTF?

laura k said...

Yeah, like hockey and baskeball players are mature.

Benjamin said...

#13 = Carl Crawford

allan said...

fsn dwaynne staats saying that it began last night when "coco began to cry and issue threats"

Joe Grav said...

pro athletes in general tend to be immature, but I find nothing honorable about settling your differences by humming a 90 mph baseball at someone.

allan said...

nice to see something more than the stupid pushing and shoving and mama jokes.

laura k said...

Who is 31 on the Rays??? He is wailing on Coco, while Coco is being held down.

Joe Grav said...

or, for that matter, by piling in and having a 5-on-1 dogpile like you just saw on coco

Amy said...

Who knew Coco had such a temper? With that name, I always assumed he was a sweetie pie.

laura k said...

I find nothing honourable about getting sanctimonious about honour and maturity over a fight in a baseball game.

Joe Grav said...

jonny gomes is a big shitbag. he should be suspended for 8-10 games. ditto crawford.

shields took the first big swing and threw the pitch , so i expect him to be suspended too.

as should coco.

i think that should take care of it.

i'm sure they will suspend/eject another red sox for no reason, to 'balance' it out.

allan said...

13 crawford.

gomes 31 = asshole. like nettles on lee type asshole.

laura k said...

Especially from someone who follows hockey, for goddsake.

allan said...

walking off, ococ seems pretty pleased. got it out of his system.

chris carter time/??
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Joe Grav said...

If they had a 3rd man in rule and Coco and Shields had to square off and fight one on one, I bet that wouldnt have happened.

Joe Grav said...

Plus coco would have kicked his ass

allan said...

rays dlts saying bartlett's block wa slegal. then show the replay, his entire leg from the knee down is blocking the plate.

catchers cannot block the plate without the ball, i assume the same is true for INF

laura k said...

Yeah, Coco looked happy and satisfied. A little catharsis. Why not.

Joe Grav said...

Especially from someone who follows hockey, for goddsake.

Well, that's the thing. You have a problem with a guy, you fight him, one on one. i think fighting in hockey is stupid and i'd like to see it outlawed, but they don't throw the puck at eachother at 90 MPH, or have 6 people go jump on one guy.

laura k said...

Oo, the best-named pitcher, Grant Ball-Four.

Also a good name for a home-plate ump.

Joe Grav said...

To me, there is nothing dumber/worse than intentionally humming the ball at people.

Tony C hailed from my hometown. I hope it doesn't take another Tony C to stop this shit.

laura k said...

It's a team sport, so they don't fight one on one. It's a scrum. Big deal.

It's not like it happens all the time, it's very rare, but it's also part of the game. And it can be a memorable part. I can't see making a big deal over it.

Joe Grav said...

And I'm not blaming the Rays for it per se. I'm sure at some point when Gomes or Crawford are up, they will get thrown at. and I'll think that is stupid too. You can kill someone like that.

Benjamin said...

So no Rays ejections other than Shields?

allan said...

grant balfour grants ball four.

laura k said...

Oh e-fucking-nuff about Tony C. Every time there's a fight some pompous Red Sox fan has to bring up Tony C.

It happened ONCE.

How many thousands of people are killed in car accidents every year? You're telling me you've never exceeded the speed limit?

Stuff happens, and most people live afterwards.

allan said...

6 pitches - 6 balls from grant

Benjamin said...

Lugo extends his walking streak to four games.

Joe Grav said...

The difference is that people have to drive cars to get from Point A to Point B. Along the way, sometimes people get hurt. But nobody has to throw a baseball at someone's head.

Joe Grav said...

meanwhile, back to the game.

balfour sucks.

laura k said...

If it was so easy to kill someone with a baseball, why has it only happened once in the whole history of the sport?

Answer: because generally you don't kill someone like that.

I'm not advocating head-hunting, but everyone starts moaning about it, it's a bit out of control.

allan said...

no one threw anything at any heads.

ococ was hit in the thigh.

and you can have a brawl without anyone throwing at anyone at all

allan said...

the best fight i saw btw the sox and yanks happened with a collison at HP. no pitches at all.

laura k said...

No one is throwing at anyone's head, and no one is saying head-hunting is a good idea. But that didn't happen here! It's completely irrelevant.

Benjamin said...

I suppose the Rangers should thank us for getting a few Rays suspended for their series.

Joe Grav said...

I'm not saying it's common to kill people with a baseball, I'm saying it's not a necessary risk to take. It's dumb. There is no parallel to it in any other competition, aside from maybe intentionally crashing someone in a car race.

Joe Grav said...



and you can have a brawl without anyone throwing at anyone at all


That'd be cool with me. :p

Carter scores! 4-1

Benjamin said...

You can wreck players' careers short of killing them, though.

laura k said...

Well, this was a good brawl for my money.

allan said...

a handful of minor leaguers have been killed by balls. only 1 at the mlb level.

Joe Grav said...

It's just dumb. I don't see how whipping a hard projectile at someone equates to having a hard slide in an attempt to gain 2nd base. That's not reciprocal to me.

Joe Grav said...

and I don't drive, so no, i've never violated speed limit laws. :P

Amy said...

Well, I hate the fighting. I know it happens, but I hate it. Intentionally throwing pitches at someone is just one part of what I hate about it.

But I never understand using force to settle disputes.

laura k said...

Yes, you can wreck a player's career. And I'm not saying it's a good idea. In fact I've been saying it's not a good idea.

However, brawls happen. They are a rare but occasionally recurring part of the game of baseball. Generally there are no lasting consequences.

And in this instance, there is absolutely zero reason to bring up beaning someone in the head with a baseball, because that did not happen.

Joe Grav said...

The only good thing to come out of this is that before the incident, I thought Coco looked like the only idiot, but now the Rays look like bigger fools.

Joe Grav said...

well, i'm talking more about the generic way 'baseball fights' are contested, not this specific incident. i know nobody threw at anyone's head today.

Joe Grav said...

yet.

allan said...

i like in hockey brawls how each guy holds onto the other guy's shirt to keep from falling on the ice while they take swings at each other. meanwhile the refs stand around and watch.

laura k said...

I don't think brawls in baseball have anything to do with settling disputes. They're the result of escalating frustration and anger.

Joe Grav said...

I watched Olympic hockey in 2002 and 2006 - no fights allowed - automatic suspension if you do. And what do you know, the game was way more entertaining, more focused on skill than trying to inflict pain.

allan said...

i miss the good old days of baseball where in a brawl like that there would absolutely be a dozen or so fans coming out and getting involved. but the modern game has been so watered down ...

Joe Grav said...

of course, as fjm would point out, hockey is a contact sport, and baseball is not, so the comparison is moot anyway

Joe Grav said...

Fuck you Rays. 1-2-3

Benjamin said...

I bet Jere's sitting in the stands as we speak, crafting his report on this protracted pugilism.

Amy said...

I think you are reading "settling disputes" too narrowly. Coco was pissed off with the Rays; the Rays were pissed at him. To get even, the pitcher throws a pitch and hits him. That's not a dispute?

Perhaps there is no way to talk out that kind of dispute, but throwing balls or punches does not strike me as a positive way of venting frustration. Certainly outside of sports, no mature sane adult would act that way.

Joe Grav said...

I know it's sports, and sports are a different version of real life, so violence is going to happen. I just think it's really ludicrous for a pitcher to hum a ball at a guy. I would like to see someone return fire by picking up the b all and throwing it back at the pitcher. Maybe that would make it stop.

allan said...

i hear mlb is going to ask that players finish their punching in a more timely manner so as to cut down on game times.

Joe Grav said...

how the fuck did that reach foul ground

Benjamin said...

Yeah, so much for ending this game in time for the Celtics.

laura k said...

Yes Amy, you're right.

I don't worry too much about this occasional baseball behaviour spilling into the rest of life. I don't think there's much of a correlation.

I realize a lot of people feel that any sort of physical violence is to be deplored, and I respect that. In a situation like this, I think it's fun.

Joe Grav said...

Actually that happened last year in a North Shore Spirit minor league game. Carlos Rodriguez of North Shore got thrown at twice in one game. He made a catch to retire the side in RF, then as he was jogging in with the ball, he tossed it at the pitcher on his way out of the dugout.

It was stupid and crass and he got suspended (rightfully so. He also got cut from the team for disgracing it and nobody would sign him. Why does that standard not apply to pitchers?

allan said...

manny's foul

i know -- there is no ground out there - it's like threading a needle.

Jack Marshall said...

For the record, Hamilton didn't throw at Tony C. Congiliaro stood with his head in the strike zone, and had a tendency to freeze when the ball was at him...a bad combination. People had been predicting a serious beaning for years. I loved Tony (Yay Swampscott), but Hamilton was not at fault.

laura k said...

Joe, respectfully, everyone here understands that you are against beanballs, and I don't think anyone else here supports them either.

allan said...

jack - that is apparently also how ray chapman got hit (and later died). leaning out over the plate, froze on mays's underhand fling.

allan said...

and of course they did not wear helmets in 1920 (chapman). when did those become the rule? 50s? i know batters thought they were not manly.

Joe Grav said...

don't get me wrong, the pugilism was entertaining. but i think you all know where i stand here re: beanballs.

as a male, i understand that testosterone-fueled events can lead to immature reactions. (Just take a look at what happens here when Heidi comes on tv, for instance.) it's all good.

i just think that if you have differences with someone, you settle it with them, man-to-man, without a dangerous weapon.

and that is all i will say about it, since there's no need to bicker. on to the game.

Joe Grav said...

LBJ!!!

shit i hope he's okay

Joe Grav said...

shit shit shit shit shit

Amy said...

Shit, is he ok? What a catch, but I hope it was worth it.

Joe Grav said...

lugo to the outfield or what?

laura k said...

please don't be hurt lbj!

Joe Grav said...

Lugo--Carter--Drew
Lowell--Cora--FY--Casey

i presume

laura k said...

enough already joe. no one is disagreeing with you.

Amy said...

How many more outfielders do we have? This sucks.

allan said...

sure - coco and bartlett (or whoever) could settle it in an alleyway after the game -- another old baseball tradition.

where the tarp is now used to be an alleyway out to the street that players would go to fight sometimes

Jack Marshall said...

Baseball fights are fun, because hardly anyone ever gets hurt. And they have tended to help the Sox, especially against the Yankees. A Yankee-Sox fight in '67 was widely credited for bringing the team together, and of course, we have the Tek-Arod dust-up. In '76, I think it was, Graig Nettles and Mickey Rivers managed to injure Bill Lee's arm shortly after he could be seen on TV saying to Nettles when the fight seemed to have ended, "Hey Fuck-head!"

laura k said...

oh shit!

allan said...

can yook play LF again?

is he avaialble

Amy said...

So much for our speedy outfield without Papi. My stomach hurts from all this.

Joe Grav said...

yook to the outfield.

laura k said...

Jack, I'm impressed. I thought you'd say fights are a bad example for kids.

allan said...

yook in right, eh?

Joe Grav said...

why yook to RF and not LF? is carter slower than yook?

Amy said...

So to paraphrase Abbott and Costello, who's in left? who's on first? Who's at short?

I am confused!

Zenslinger said...

Do we know how badly Jacoby is hurt?

allan said...

yep
May 20, 1976
monday night baseball

i can see the whole thing in my mind even now

was that when lee came out with his nazis and brownshirts comment?

Amy said...

Hmmm, would either Crisp or LBJ have gotten to that hit?

allan said...

i guess carter doesn't play right. maybe a worse arm?

OF: carter - drew - yook

lugo still at short.

Joe Grav said...

come on lester

Jack Marshall said...

Christ, Lester has to dig in. The team needs him to keep it out of the damn outfield.

Jack Marshall said...

Redsock..YES!!! One of Lee's best.
I still miss him.
Good memory, Allan!

Joe Grav said...

k

allan said...

most outfielders used in a nine-inning game?

we've used 5 -- in 3.1 innings!

Amy said...

Thanks, Allan, but WHO'S ON FIRST? Bailey? OK, yeah, he always was.

I do feel like Abbott and Costello.

Jack Marshall said...

You know, Manny could have been a late inning defensive REPLACEMENT for this outfield, if he wasn't the DH!

allan said...

jack - something came up last year and i started writing about that fight in a post.

i did it all off the top of my head -- went to retrosheet -- and the only thing i got wrong was it was a single hit to evans and not a fly ball.

can't remember what prompted it, though.

Amy said...

Youk must be feeling rather odd out there in right. Certainly a versatile sort of guy.

Good for Lester. Let's keep those balls in the infield.

allan said...

casey -- not bailey!

Amy said...

To be honest, I would have put Manny in left and let someone else be DH. Does Carter play left field? Could he be any less experienced in right field than Youk?

Benjamin said...

Manny could play outfield if we lose another. Lester would get some practice for interleague batting, though.

Amy said...

Casey, Bailey, whatever. I just am so confused!

OK, Tek, I recognize him. :)

Jack Marshall said...

Redsock, my memory is that something started between Fisk and Munson at the plate, the benches emptied, and Lee thought Nettles had gotten in some cheap shots and said so, which set off round two. Somewhere I have the Globe clipping...

Amy said...

Allan, your memory is damn scary. Makes me wonder whether I am suffering from dementia when I cannot keep Casey's name in my head.

Jack Marshall said...

Amy, if the DH goes into the field, the DH is lost, and the pitcher has to bat.
But I still might have done it. I think Manny's hammy is still bad.

allan said...

i can remember a fight that happened when i was 12, but i can't remember thelast time i wrote about it.

turns out it was all the way back in march 1, 2004!

Amy said...

Wow, I never knew that rule. You cannot name a different DH during a game.

Hey, good for Carter!

Joe Grav said...

man carter is slow hahaha

Amy said...

Lugo seems rather jovial. Guess the fight didn't get him down.

Benjamin said...

Carter's first major league hit?

Lugo's too?

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