July 21, 2009

G93: Rangers 4, Red Sox 2

Red Sox - 000 001 001 - 2  5  0
Rangers - 200 000 11x - 4 7 0
So ... race you to the Tobin.

Texas jumped on Beckett for two quick runs in the first -- Kinsler double, Jones two-out walk, double steal (Varitek did not even get out of his crouch, grrr), Blalock two-run single.

Beckett then set down the next 14 batters, but the Red Sox could do little with Hunter during that time. Hunter was also helped out by some great catches from Kinsler in foul territory and Byrd in right field.

Boston cut the lead to 2-1 when Pedroia singled with two outs in the sixth and Youkilis followed with a double to the gap in right-center. but Beckett allowed single runs in the seventh and eighth.

The closest the Red Sox came to tying the game was in the seventh. Down 2-1, two walks had put runners at first and second with one out. but Varitek struck out (yes, the last pitch was high in the zone) and Lowrie popped to short. Varitek was also the potential tying run with two outs in the ninth, but he grounded harmlessly to third.

No Red Sock had more than one hit. Jason Bay walked three times.

David Ortiz committed an astonishing stupid base-running gaffe leading off the second. He singled to right, and even with the play in front of him, tried to "run" for a double. He was thrown out by 15 feet. And NESN's Dave Roberts actually defended Flo's foolery, saying it was good move because he was "trying to create a spark". As though hitting a leadoff single wasn't any good.

The Yankees beat the Orioles 6-4, to push the Red Sox -- currently on a season-high four-game losing streak -- out of first for the first time since June 7 and are 1 GB.
Josh Beckett (3.35, 139 ERA+) / Tommy Hunter (2.35, 189 ERA+)

Beckett closed out the first half of the season on July 12 with a complete game, three-hit shutout of Kansas City. He will be pitching with nine days of rest. Even with two bad outings in his last ten starts, his ERA over that period is 1.72. ER allowed: 0, 1, 0, 0, 6, 0, 0, 5, 2, 0.

A rookie in both 2008 (three starts, 11 innings) and 2009, Hunter will be making his eighth major league start tonight.

The Boston bats remain quiet. The Red Sox hit .188/.255/.302 in the Toronto series, losing two of three. Last night's game brought their post-ASB line to .202/.257/.302.

Since June 24, Jason Bay is batting .149 and slugging .243 (21 games). ... J.D. Drew is 1-for-his-last-26. ... After a hot June, David Ortiz's hitting has gone back into hibernation: .218/.279/.509 in July (he has four doubles and four home runs among his 12 hits to boost his SLG).

Amalie Benjamin notes:
Friday night against the Blue Jays, Daniel Bard became the first Sox reliever to strike out at least three batters in three consecutive appearances since Alan Embree from Aug. 7-17 in 2002. The last Sox rookie reliever to do it was Craig Skok, in four straight games from July 17-Aug. 7 in 1973.
            W   L   PCT    GB
Red Sox 55 37 .598 ---
Yankees 55 37 .598 ---
Rays 51 42 .548 4.5
Blue Jays 46 47 .495 9.5
Orioles 41 51 .446 14.0
In New York, Sergio Mitre gets the ball against the Orioles. It will be his first major league appearance since September 15, 2007. 7 PM.

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Rob said...

What happens when you combine a 300 game winner, London's mayor and Donald Trump?

This guy! http://twitpic.com/b473f

tim said...

WTF unexpected moment of the day...

Wakefield to the DL, HH to start tomorrow.

tim said...

And similar oatmeal:
Red Sox
1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
4. David Ortiz, DH
5. Jason Bay, LF
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Mike Lowell, 3B
8. Jason Varitek, C
9. Jed Lowrie, SS
-- Josh Beckett, RHP


Rangers
1. Ian Kinsler, 2B
2. Michael Young, 3B
3. Josh Hamilton, RF
4. Andrew Jones, DH
5. Hank Blalock, 1B
6. Marlon Byrd, CF
7. David Murphy, LF
8. Jarod Saltalamacchia, C
9. Omar Vizquel, SS
-- Tommy Hunter, RHP

Amy said...

Not happy to hear that Wake is on the DL. Who are we likely to see pitch next Tuesday?

allan said...

i figured wake was our pitcher on tuesday, so we may see laptop. the day off on thursday means they could skip someone.

Rob said...

John Henry tweet a couple minutes ago: "Met with Theo today. What's the definition of a number 1 starter? Is Buchholz going to be one? I think most people in baseball think so."

allan said...

NESN on EI!

I will try not to comment on DR.

Rob said...

NESN's broadcast lasts six seconds and then it froze. Texas hates NESN.

allan said...

Don's face looked like he had had a stroke

Rob said...

NESN's back and we've surpassed the six seconds mark. HOT DAMN.

Rob said...

So wait... Does this mean we'll see Clay pitch at Fenway next Tuesday? Who's coming round the bend?

allan said...

i was guessing wake for tuesday, so maybe.

laura k said...

Wake on the DL is good. Give him a nice rest, bring HH up early, everyone wins.

The Yankees used to do this with Mariano, put him on the DL in July/August. Smart move.

laura k said...

I will try not to comment on DR.

hurrah

allan said...

i may not type, but it's easy enough to bitch out loud.

9casey said...

L-girl said...
Wake on the DL is good.



I don't see how this is good, he has been one of our most consistent pitchers.. Why not Dl Smoltz or Penny? Because does anyone really believe Wake is hurt?

Rob said...

For me I'll listen to NESN if Eck is on but I'll go with the radio if DR is on.

laura k said...

Went I posted our extra ticket on Craigslist today, there were lots of Sox tickets for sale, all different price ranges. I don't know if that's always the case, but it's good to know.

allan said...

BAL: 101
MFY: 01

O's still up in 3rd.

laura k said...

I don't see how this is good, he has been one of our most consistent pitchers.. Why not Dl Smoltz or Penny?

Maybe because he needs the rest more, to be able to stay consistent down the line, whereas Smoltz needs to keep working.

I'm not saying that with certainty, just an idea.

laura k said...

i may not type, but it's easy enough to bitch out loud.

.....

Rob said...

O'B going way above the call of duty for a "Deadliest Catch" promo.

"This is by far my favorite show on television. You've got to watch this show. It's on tonight at 9!" Um, so are you, Dave.

laura k said...

It's on tonight at 9!" Um, so are you, Dave.

LOL

allan said...

nice throw, jason.

laura k said...

ugh

laura k said...

RSVP

allan said...

omg----------

laura k said...

To quote Amy and I from last night, what WERE you thinking?!

allan said...

roberts defending ortiz. unbelievable.

fusionmouse said...

Flo trying to pretend he's LBJ?

fusionmouse said...

At least Flo broke up the no-hit bid :)

fusionmouse said...

O's 2 MFY 3--O's cannot hold a lead.

fusionmouse said...

JC "He's not hefty, he's burly!" I believe in my youth Sears Jeans were sold in size "husky" if he's in need of another euphemism.

laura k said...

It's true, we can't count on the Orioles to help us. They suck.

laura k said...

Husky, I haven't heard that one in a long time.

laura k said...

Omar Vizquel, how old is he now, 78?

Amy said...

Good evening, all. Man, what WAS Papi thinking? :) I heard that on the radio and just cursed a blue streak. Harv had no comment (silently smirking, I suspect).

Who is Laptop and why is that his nickname?

laura k said...

laptop = HH = buchholz

laura k said...

Yes, what WAS Papi thinking?! :)

allan said...

laptop: see the glossary.

Amy said...

Hmm, and why would HH = laptop??

(Please don't let it be some other rock band I have never heard of....)

Amy said...

All right, I knew you were going to send me to the f-ing glossary. But I am under the weather and feeling lazy. Be back soon.

fusionmouse said...

So where do SABRmatricians tabulate idiotic baserunning?

laura k said...

Hey, the woman's not feeling well, someone tell her the laptop story. Someone other than me...

Amy said...

Oh, yeah, stolen laptops. How am I supposed to remember all this stuff?

fusionmouse said...

Perhaps baseball needs a "mental errors" category. BF for brain fart?

laura k said...

don't anyone say productive out!

allan said...

dunno re sabr.

being thrown out on the bases is likely kept track of, though.

why isn't roberts saying lbj "did his job"?

laura k said...

How am I supposed to remember all this stuff?

that's why there's a glossary!

BF for brain fart?

I like it!

Amy said...

It took me at least 30 seconds to find the stupid glossary. Perhaps putting it on the top of the page would be helpful...

Amy said...

OK, done whining for the night. I may watch this game without the HH so I can rest my eyes.

laura k said...

Altho the band is a good idea. The Laptops.

Allan: HH & the Laptops

laura k said...

The glossary is on the top of the page, no? Under "important stuff".

Amy, pour yourself a cosmo, maybe.

fusionmouse said...

Now---When will the RS offense WAKE UP?!?

Amy said...

Eh, you can't take my whining seriously tonight. On another night I would have found it easily.

I think lots of water is the answer tonight. Flush the damn germs out of the system. My son-in-law arrived with a sore throat that seems to have now migrated over to me.

allan said...

should i print out a copy and bring it to boston?

laura k said...

Now---When will the RS offense WAKE UP?!?

Yes. Good q.

Amy, wish I could make you a cup of tea. Feel better.

fusionmouse said...

In the 4th and the O's have gone to their FABULOUS bullpen trailing the MFY 5-2... we're in serious danger of droppin to 2nd.

Amy said...

Thanks, Laura. Tea is a good idea. That's what we kept giving Brian, tea and honey.

Printing out the glossary? Now there's a good idea. I should do that (though at this point I think I have all the most frequently used terms down; Laptop obviously hasn't been used much this season, and I am used to HH as his moniker.

BTW, I would be happy to see him pitch, though I was looking forward to seeing Wake pitch also.

laura k said...

Damn. When did this team get so good? Very annoying.

allan said...

fuck michael young -- we're hating ian kinsler tonight.

Amy said...

Those pesky Rangers. They keep catching foul balls in the dugout/stands. Was it Kinsler who did that last night also?

fusionmouse said...

I'm beginning to think that becoming a US citizen really fucked-up Bay's karma.

Watching him of late and I can see why Theo's in no hurry to sign an extension... the price is dropping by the day.

laura k said...

we're in serious danger of droppin to 2nd.

Luckily there are 69 games left to be played. Plus the rest of this one.

Anonymous said...

This team is done. All the batters are pressing and the pitching is doing just enough to stay on the fine side of losing. And when you do that you will never catch a break either.

laura k said...

FM, don't start dooming on us. Bay is in a slump. Baseball is full of them. I'm sure Theo knows that.

allan said...

this team is done. All the batters are pressing and the pitching is doing just enough to stay on the fine side of losing. And when you do that you will never catch a break either.

you forgot the sarcasm emoticon.

Amy said...

Uhoh, the voices of doom are here tonight. WE ARE ONLY DOWN BY TWO RUNS!

laura k said...

This team is done.

Please tell me you are being sarcastic. I don't know you well enough to be sure. Plus everyone knows I am deaf to online sarcasm.

laura k said...

HAS EVERYONE FORGOT 2007 ALREADY???????

DO I HAVE TO COME OVER AND SLAP YOU???

allan said...

This team is done.

So you won't be watching and commenting again until Truck Day?

Amy said...

On a lighter note, Kathryn Tappen got married this weekend to some hockey player.

Amy said...

We are tied for first---how can we be done? We are only two runs down in the 4th---how can we be in second place?

Maybe everyone is under the weather.

laura k said...

Ish was sad.

Amy said...

And Beckett has retired ten in a row. Just a poor first inning.

laura k said...

Under the weather, sarcastic, or insane. I don't know which.

Amy said...

Ish was sad??

laura k said...

In 2007 we were 2 games up when some idiot wrote a whole diatribe in a game thread about throwing in the towel. 2 GAMES UP.

laura k said...

Ish was sad b/c he lusts for Kathryn Tappen.

I told him not to let her marital status get in the way of his fantasies.

fusionmouse said...

Sorry, I admit I'm feeling gloomy about their chances right now...
They've had significant trouble mounting any semblance of an offense lately and it fucking rained all day today in Boston and my bike has a slow leak in the rear tire, (bitch, bitch, bitch!)

Anonymous said...

I didn't say that, I think its going to be a long annoying summer listening to the games though, full of plays like that.

Amy said...

Oh, ok, I was worried it was something else. He hasn't been around as much lately, so I always assume the worst. Being sad over Kathryn Tappen is fine with me.

Fusionmouse, I think today's rain did not help my state of mind either.

laura k said...

FM, I understand, but try to think long term. It's baseball. You have to.

meuniermr said...

I didn't say that


We're looking right at it.

Anonymous said...

I've been dealing with putting my house on sale so I have been busy in the evenings. I finally found a job but it is in Sacramento :(

allan said...

"it's up - and varitek chases"

SURPRISE!

laura k said...

Amy, Ish has been around a lot. He's been threading almost every game.

laura k said...

M, where do you live now? Is that a likely move for you?

Anonymous said...

I live in Waltham MA, so its a cross country move for me.

laura k said...

Please everyone, get a grip. Baseball has ups and downs, right? Every year. We have the 2nd best record in all of baseball, and the best record in the AL.

I understand the frustration, but you can't watch this game with short-term thinking.

laura k said...

That's a big decision. Could be great tho.

allan said...

how soon everyone forgets the canada day miracle. :<(

Amy said...

Well, I haven't been here much for the past week, so what do I know?! But I did think Ish had missed a few games before last week. It doesn't matter. Never mind.

Meuniermr, maybe you can connect with the JOS westcoasters when you get there. Leaving New England must be tough.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Sox should put the bats in a smoker to heat them up. It's getting to the point where crazy Major League stuff like that might be considered.

Rob said...

Bill Simmons tweet: "This Red Sox season is like Tim Hutton's girlfriend in "Beautiful Girls" - a solid & uninspirational 7.5 in every category."

fusionmouse said...

Ok. Third time through the line up. We've seen what this kid has let's do some DAMAGE!

Anonymous said...

Yeah I didn't go to school in my hometown and most of my college "friends" treat me like a 3rd wheel.

Amy said...

There you are, Ish! Just to prove me wrong.

Rob said...

I'm here now and then each night. Gets busy around here so I can't stick to the thread the whole game but I try to keep up on things and chat when I can.

Amy said...

Is your mom doing better now, Ish?

allan said...

even with the sleepy bats, they have the second-best record in mlb (well, tied)

Rob said...

Turns out Kathryn Tappen got married just a stone's throw away from here, too. Twisting the knife... :>)

Rob said...

She's the Tom Caron of NESN's Bruins telecasts and the guy she married plays for the New Jersey Devils as of last year.

laura k said...

Sacramento might be great, a new start. If it's a good job.

Amy said...

I was surprised by how young she is...28?

allan said...

Turns out Kathryn Tappen got married just a stone's throw away from here, too.

Go see if she has a reverse peephole.

Rob said...

Is your mom doing better now, Ish?

In and out of hospital. Back in today with an obstruction. Could mean surgery. I mean, seriously? She can't catch a break. Poor thing.

Amy said...

I saw the announcement in the NYTimes. Cute story---I guess she met him when she covered sports in Providence and he was playing there.

laura k said...

Wow, that's too bad. I hope she starts to improve soon.

Amy said...

Sorry to hear that, Ish. That must be hard for your whole family, especially your mother.

Anonymous said...

I know there is a Red Sox bar outside of Sacramento in the mountains (Colfax) called the Naked Rooster.

allan said...

Go see if she has a reverse peephole.

that sounds a bit cruder than i meant!

Amy said...

FY persists!

allan said...

will a long FY AB = the death of yet another pitcher?

"good piuece of hitting"

laura k said...

There are so many nice things about California. I've never lived out there but when I visit, I see a lot of positives. Lots of chances to see the Sox, too, if you drive north or south.

Rob said...

It is hard. Unfortunately she's been plagued with health problems practically her whole life. Also unfortunately we've gotten used to this sort of thing.

Amy said...

Don't both Zen and Andy live in northern CA? I think Westcoastsox is in LA.

Rob said...

I heard Sacramento is nice. But I've never been out there. Never been west of Gainesville, Florida, even. That would translate to just west of Cleveland.

Amy said...

That's sad, Ish. It must be so depressing for her.

laura k said...

Of course, you could say adieu to Fenway next Tuesday night... :)

Rob said...

Sultan of Sweat, to RSN: "WAKE UP!"

Amy said...

Youk!

OK, no running mistakes this time, pelase.

fusionmouse said...

Sweat RBI and FY scores!

Amy said...

Dave Roberts is actually sounding animated.

Anonymous said...

I'd rather cut my eyelids off then live in the L.A. metro area though.

Amy said...

Ouch, cut your eyelids out? Yikes.

Amy said...

Come on, Papi.

Rob said...

Amy, I'm sure it is. But she's more used to this than any of us, too. She's probably spent at least a year of her life as a patient in a hospital.

allan said...

birds comin' back, now trail 6-4.

Amy said...

Well, at least we got a run.

Amy said...

She's probably spent at least a year of her life as a patient in a hospital.

And here I am whining about a lousy sore throat. Thanks for the reality check!

laura k said...

Yook hit that RBI and I lost my connection. So: YOOOOOOOOOOOOK!!!!

Amy said...

Take that, Kinsler!

fusionmouse said...

Sacramento... hmmm. The Central Valley is positively sweltering during the summer, but the proximity to the Sierra Nevada mountains, Tahoe and Yosemite are awesome! The coast, Napa valley and SF aren't that far away and Oakland for a Sox game is easily doable.

Sacramento does suffer from the CA city malady of sprawl, due to no significant geographical constraints, thus plenty of strip malls, box stores and wide boulevards.

laura k said...

There are many other parts of California besides LA metro, I'm sure you know that.

***

Ish, my dad spent a lot of his life in hospitals too. It's not easy.

Amy said...

But we can still hate Michael Young.

Anonymous said...

The traffic and air pollution that makes me feel like I have the flu is what bothers me. Also all the fake people.

Anonymous said...

Run-down double play??

Amy said...

Love those rundowns!

Has anyone ever been able to get out of one those? I am sure that there have been some who elude the tag, but I have never seen it.

Anonymous said...

I won't be in Sacramento proper, I'll be in some foothill town called Auburn

Anonymous said...

Amy; I have heard FY beat one on the radio before, the 2nd baseman put his tag up high and Petey slid the hand in

laura k said...

So you're definitely going? That's exciting. Change is good.

laura k said...

Oo, I remember that! Very cool.

fusionmouse said...

Not to mention that the whole state of CA is nearly bankrupt with near legislative grid lock caused by Prop 13 (somewhere back around 1978) and the provision that any tax measure must be approved by 2/3 of the legislature; thus the minority blocks everything. The legislature simply waits for the voters to pass ballot initiatives.

But I digress, they still have the Governator!

Amy said...

Leadoff guy on, a promising start.

Whenever I watch one of those rundowns, I imagine being one of the fielders, knowing I would either miss the ball or miss the runners or throw the ball away.

But that's why I am a fan, not a player! (Plus the whole being a woman thing.)

fusionmouse said...

Auburn is actually MUCH nicer than Sacramento... you should have said so in the first place!

Amy said...

I guess change would be easier if you were choosing the move. I hope it ends up being easier and happier than you expect.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, the Governator who took steriods, wears a Nazi SS belt in public and has said he admires Hitler.

Amy said...

Did Schwarzenegger really say that about Hitler?

laura k said...

Like you can't say fucked up things about Massachusetts. Come on.

It's not paradise out there, but there's a lot to recommend it. I love the Bay Area, the wine country, Yosemite, Tahoe.

Part of SoCal are really nice, too.

But hey, if it's not for you, it's not. I just think it's good to be open to new experiences and new places.

Amy said...

I guess he disputes ever saying that.

fusionmouse said...

meuniermr--

I hope you like to ski or snowboard; the high Sierras are wicked awesome and remarkably warm by comparison to sking in New England.

Amy said...

What bad things could anyone ever say about Massachusetts!? :)

Aside from political corruption, cronyism, high taxes, underfunded schools....

allan said...

Walking with Dr. D.

laura k said...

People from the east (including me) tend to be so smug about California. After one of my nieces, one of my nephews and one of my best friends settled out there, I realized how silly those attitudes were.

Anonymous said...

I went to SF and the wine country, I was out there to look at neighborhoods after last Christmas.
What I remember most though is having to walk down the hill after the cable car's main breaks broke. They ran it down the hill with a truck infront of it. I'm just worried about not getting a life once I get there since I know no one.

/tolstoy

allan said...

yay tek - made only 1 out.
the inning continues.

laura k said...

teK

Anonymous said...

They just raised the sales tax to 6.25% here, higher than the EU now.

Amy said...

Damn, squander.

Anonymous said...

GD it Lowrie, and I hate skiing.

laura k said...

San Francisco is an amazing city. The whole Bay Area is fabulous.

"strand a pair"

M, are you one of these people who hates everything and everywhere? Has to see the bad side of everything? Just wondering. :)

laura k said...

And no one who lives in SF takes the cable car. It's for tourists.

Amy said...

Meuniermr, you sound pretty unhappy about this. Was there no other option?

allan said...

i could be way off, but i feel like i once read something in which arnold said how impressed he was with the german tanks rolling through austria when he was a boy.

Amy said...

I wish he was still in Atlanta.

allan said...

hold the line.

laura k said...

You'll get a life in the usual ways. Through work, the Red Sox, whatever else you like to do. And it's easier to keep in touch with people these days - much easier, as Amy and I can tell you.

Or hey, you can stay in Massachusetts, be unemployed and complain. That sounds like fun.

CRAP

Anonymous said...

My parents are retiring to Santa Monica so I want to be on the same coast as them.

Anonymous said...

UH new pitcher please?

fusionmouse said...

Growing up in California, then settling in Boston I see the advantages and disadvantages of both. Often I find myself trying to dissuade naive east coasters from the misconception that CA is paradise--it's not: primarily because 55 million other people thought is was and went there ;-{

Amy said...

So you WANT to go out there, but you sound so miserable??? Now I am confused! I thought you had no choice.

allan said...

bardinator up

laura k said...

Ah-ha, there is a positive to California for you.

Sometimes you have to embrace the unknown. At least you'd be moving out there with a job, something to build on.

laura k said...

"by way of the K" DRINK

Rob said...

Could move to Vancouver and be on the same coast as them... I understand what you mean. It's one thing going for a short flight or a 7-8 hour drive to see your parents, or having to take a cross-country kill-my-wallet flight to see them.

Amy said...

Come on, Beckett. Pull a Houdini.

allan said...

yeah, all the cool kids are moving to canada.

Anonymous said...

Is anyone else here on fark.com?
1 down, come on..

laura k said...

Amy, I think he's a big grouch who likes to be grouchy.

Shakespeare up.

laura k said...

You can't "move to" Vancouver. You have to emigrate to Canada.

I tried Fark but didn't stay with it.

Amy said...

I had a friend growing up who was convinced that CA was heaven on earth. She moved there after college and was disappointed that people out there can be just as annoying as people on the east coast. People are people, wherever you go. Some are wonderful, some are jerks. You just have to find the wonderful ones.

Amy said...

Damn!

laura k said...

shit

allan said...

fat andruw scores.

Amy said...

Now Bard as Shakespeare I have no trouble remembering without the glossary.

laura k said...

People are people, wherever you go. Some are wonderful, some are jerks. You just have to find the wonderful ones.

what she said

and there are wonderful ones everywhere.

allan said...

would we have had a better chance if lowell did not cut that?

Anonymous said...

Maybe we should have kept Murphy instead of Ells..

fusionmouse said...

"fat andruw scores"-- don't you mean husky andruw?

Amy said...

Now just what was Josh saying there? Not nice words, I imagine.

laura k said...

Maybe we should have kept Murphy instead of Ells..

That's it, you're outta here!!

;)

Anonymous said...

The Rangers have an unproven closer right now though??

allan said...

top of the order.

time for lyndon to get it going.

fusionmouse said...

The foot hills of the Sierra (often called the Gold Country) have some charming small towns; neat B&Bs. Or join the Sierra Club and hike to your heart's content in the Sierra back country. Trout fish in spectacular rivers and streams. Whitewater raft down the American river. The outdoor opportunities are really unbeatable in that area.

Amy said...

Please score some runs. Sigh.

laura k said...

jesus would you stop catching everything out there

Rob said...

"You can't "move to" Vancouver. You have to emigrate to Canada."

Okay, fine. Bellingham. :)

fusionmouse said...

Next half inning... Flo leads off, down by 2 runs, they put the over shift on, will Flo bunt for the easy hit; I say no, he hasn't done it all year.

Rob said...

Beckett working on the good ol' CG L.

laura k said...

OK Bellingham. :)

There are lots of nice places to live in the Pacific NW I hear.

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