Mariners - 001 300 010 02 - 7 13 0George Kottaras hit his first major league home run in the 11th, but the Sox came up one run short.
Red Sox - 200 000 120 01 - 6 11 0
Trailing 5-2 in the seventh, J.D. Drew belted a solo home run to dead center. With one out in the eighth, facing Sean White, Jason Bay walked and Mark Kotsay singled. Sean Kelley got Jacoby Ellsbury on a high fly to the track in left. Then Sean Green doubled high off the Wall, missing a home run by a few feet, but still tying the game at 5-5.
Seattle scored twice in the top of the 11th off Ramon Ramirez, with Rob Jonson's two-run double -- his third two-bagger of the night -- being the big blow.
Kottaras belted his dong to right-center with two outs in the bottom half of the 11th. Drew followed with a line drive single to right, but Dustin Pedroia grounded into a fielder's choice to end the game.
It was the first time Boston had played consecutive extra inning games since July 9 and 13, 2006. The first one was a 19-inning loss to the White Sox.
Wakefield: 8-10-5-0-3, 112. Manny Delcarmen and Jonathan Papelbon each pitched an effective inning of relief.
Drew, Green, Kottaras and Kotsay each had two hits; Green also walked and was the only Boston batter to reach base three times. Kevin Youkilis was 0-for-5, David Ortiz was 0-for-4 with a walk and a run scored, and Pedroia was 1-for-6.
The Yankees beat the Blue Jays 4-2 earlier in the afternoon, so the Red Sox are now only 2 GA.
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Felix Hernandez (2.54, 167 ERA+) / Tim Wakefield (4.18, 111 ERA+)
When Tim Wakefield throws his first pitch tonight, he will have started more games than any other pitcher in Red Sox history. The new Top 5:
(Also, if Wakefield is chosen for the All-Star team, he would be the second-oldest player selected for his first appearance. Satchel Paige was 46 in 1952.)Pitcher Starts
Tim Wakefield 383
Roger Clemens 382
Cy Young 297
Luis Tiant 238
Mel Parnell 232
MLB.com:
Hernandez returns to the scene of one of his best career starts -- a one-hitter against the Red Sox at Fenway Park three years ago [April 11, 2007] -- on a big-time roll. The ace right-hander has surrendered five earned runs in his past 53 innings, striking out 51 over that span. His two-seam fastball has been his bread-and-butter pitch, and rookie catcher Rob Johnson has not been shy about calling for it.***
Canadian-born Jason Bay became an American citizen on Thursday (photos):
My wife is American and both my girls are American as well. This is where I spend most of my time [Bay lives in Seattle]. Although it is a big deal, it doesn't mean I cease being Canadian. I'll always be Canadian.Bay had a horrible road trip, going 6-for-36 (.167/.189/.250); in his first game at Washington, Bay went 4-for-6, so in his last seven games, he is 2-for-30, with one walk. On Wednesday he became the fifth Red Sox player to strike out five times in one game.
I'm completely getting myself out now. Timing-wise, I'm kind of in between - I can't hit the fastball, can't hit the breaking ball. It's just one of those situations where everything that could go wrong is going wrong.Daisuke Matsuzaka is on his way to Florida to begin a conditioning and shoulder-strengthening program. ... The Globe has an interesting article on Nick Green, anger and stress management. ... Thursday's Astros-Padres game in San Diego was delayed 52 minutes because of bees.
94 comments:
Thanks for the link on Green. That was a very good article. I wish I knew someone like Dr. West. I feel I can relate to some of the problems that Green has faced in everyday life.
You may know someone like Dr West and not know it. Many (many!!) of us have been helped with similar issues. It's worth looking into.
TOR: 000 1
MFY: 010
Tallet/Burnett
Red Sox, Bay Yet To Resume Extension Talks
By Mike Axisa [June 13, 2009 at 9:30am CST]
since this article.......21 k's, ,and his AVG dropped 20 points, his OBP 30 points, and his OPS 90 points.
TOR: 000 101
MFY: 010 020
MFY got its two runs on: walk, walk, bunt single to pitcher, bases-loaded walk, and a wild pitch.
V Wells donged in the 6th.
Earlier this week when Smoltz was taken out of the game , it was said that he doesn't quailfy for win , but if the Red Sox were losing he would have been in line for the lose...The way they score pitching stats in mlb, need some work.....If Smoltz was throwing a perfect game for 4 and2/3 then hurt himself he couldn't get the win, but if Papelbon comes in and throws one pitch in the 9th in a save situation he gets a save.....Should there actullay be a stat for blown saves when you team wins ,after the closer blew it,and then pitcher gets the (BS) and the win?
In my opinion saves are the most overrated stat in baseball, but players are measured on it to a crazy degree.. really your team is up by 3 runs and you give up 2 you still get a save, and he should be rewared for that, when a quality start is measured by giving up 3 runs over 6 innings....
"In my opinion saves are the most overrated stat in baseball, but players are measured on it to a crazy degree.."
Not unlike a pitcher's W/L record, which is almost meaningless, and tells you next to nothing about how he's pitching.
L-girl said...
Not unlike a pitcher's W/L record, which is almost meaningless, and tells you next to nothing about how he's pitching.
it does ,to a point because a pitcher will most likely not get a win when he doesn't pitch well, i.e Josh Beckett in his wins has only given up more than 3 runs once....in his losses he gave up 4, 7, and 7......Grienke gave up 1 , 6 and 7 in losses, in wins never more than 2.....so you can tell alot about wins and losses with starting pitchers...Chris Carpenter whose team doesn't hit....in losses gave up 3, 3, and 6......in wins 1,0,2,1, and 1....so wins and loses say more than people would like to beleive..
Chokers didn't choke, 4-2.
Saves do suck as stats, though some people keep track of which are tough and easy. And BR has a leverage index for each pitcher's appearances.
W-L should be abolished.
I also thought the QS stat was fairly bogus (4.50 = quality -- ??), but as it turns out if you make it 6 IP and 2 ER (a 3.00 ERA), more than 80% of QS would qualify. The outer limit is not as common as we might think.
Tonight we have a good example of why W-L should be ignored.
Felix: 2.54 - 8-3
Wake: 4.18 - 10-3
Run Support
Felix - 4.73 runs
Wake - 6.77 runs
Sean Casey is with Don in the booth for this series, right?
"My wife is American and both my girls are American as well."
Those girls are actually Canadian citizens, too.
redsock said...
Tonight we have a good example of why W-L should be ignored.
Felix: 2.54 - 8-3
Wake: 4.18 - 10-3
Run Support
Felix - 4.73 runs
Wake - 6.77 runs
Wake in wins has given up:2,1,5,2,1,5,3,3,2,0...
in losses 3,7,6,
How does run support figure in that........
I was making the W-L note more in regards to the ERAs.
In Wake's first 4 wins, the Sox scored 8, 10, 10 and 13 runs. He didn't need all of those runs, of course, but that could inflate his average.
1. J.D. Drew, RF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. Kevin Youkilis, 3B
4. David Ortiz, DH
5. Jason Bay, LF
6. Mark Kotsay, 1B
7. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
8. Nick Green, SS
9. George Kottaras, C
1. Ichiro Suzuki, RF
2. Russell Branyan, 1B
3. Jose Lopez, 2B
4. Ken Griffey Jr., DH
5. Franklin Gutierrez, CF
6. Ryan Langerhans, LF
7. Chris Woodward, 3B
8. Rob Johnson, C
9. Ronny Cedeno, SS
Tito says Tiz/Bay flip is more to avoid 3 RH in a row than a permanent change.
Randy Johnson '04: 10k/9, 1.5BB/9, 6.5H/9!, 2.60 ERA, 290Ks: .533 win %, 16-14 record in 35 starts.
Oh, 16-14, he's an average to slightly above pitcher.
Patrick said...
Randy Johnson '04: 10k/9, 1.5BB/9, 6.5H/9!, 2.60 ERA, 290Ks: .533 win %, 16-14 record in 35 starts.
Oh, 16-14, he's an average to slightly above pitcher.
16 wins I beileve is more than above average...
in 14 losses....3,5,2,1,5,3,6,3,4,3,2,2,4,3.....he could have easily been 20-10,if not better...that was a great year thats why he finished 2nd in the CY, too with someone with a better winning percentage....
Check out his run of 4 starts from August 15-31, 2004:
32 innings
15 hits
5 walks
54 strikeouts
1.12 ERA
1-2 record
I was trying to find a month that sticks in my memory but I couldn't find it.
I did see these 5 starts from June 25 to July 15, 1999:
40 innings
25 hits
12 walks
62 strikeouts
1.12 ERA
0-4 record
i assume he means 16-14 is slightly better than .500 (i.e., average)
Fat Billy won it that year.
Randy Johnson will always be a great example of why W/L is ridiculous.
Then there are excellent starters who work for teams with lousy bullpens. Supposedly they pitch well "but have nothing to show for it". As if no one can tell how well they pitched.
I'm not threading, see you all later if the game is exciting.
RJ should be going for his 400th win...does BR do an expected w-l on pitchers?
L-girl said...
Then there are excellent starters who work for teams with lousy bullpens. Supposedly they pitch well "but have nothing to show for it". As if no one can tell how well they pitched.
It seems like he played for some terrible offensive teams, He played for the Yankees right? that seems like a blur for some reason...why do you think he wanted to get back to the NL...
In 2 seasons with yanks he had 34 wins , but a 4.40 era
...does BR do an expected w-l on pitchers?
Someone must. I imagine you could come up with what a pitcher's record "should have been" given his runs allowed and opponents.
I know there is the number of wins above what a replacement level pitcher would likely give you. I'm drawing a big blank, though.
i don't think casey meant to say that griffey's years in seattle were the best of any player ever.
at least i hope not.
looks like casey is also afflicted with "good atbat-itis"
BAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DOUUBLE!
REDSOX; the stat is VORP (value over replacement player)
Bay's AB music; "Coming to America"
meuniermr said...
Bay's AB music; "Coming to America"
Was it really..Neil Diamond's America
I know VORP. I'm thinking of Wins Above Replacement and expected record, which I think is in BP's stats.
redsock said...
I did see these 5 starts from June 25 to July 15, 1999:
40 innings
25 hits
12 walks
62 strikeouts
1.12 ERA
0-4 record
June 25 , No hitted by Jose Jimenez
June 30 1 hitted by RON VILLONE
July 5 1 hitted by Jose Jimenez (yes again)
July 10 3 hitted by Tim Hudson
wtf is it with balls down the lf line>?????
"man candy"?
It may be raining (again), but this is the first day since April, that felt like summer here in New Hampshire.
Wow, what a dead thread!
June 25 , No hitted by Jose Jimenez
June 30 1 hitted by RON VILLONE
July 5 1 hitted by Jose Jimenez (yes again)
July 10 3 hitted by Tim Hudson
I think this is what I was looking for. I was thinking Johnson allowed 0, 1 or 3 hits and lost. But it was his noodle-batted teammates who did not hit.
sean casey is hungry.
FIRE BALL!!!!
Now 4-3
Evening, JoS. Not much going on, eh?
I'd like a nice Friday night July 3rd comeback plz.
What is the record low number of comments for a JoS thread, 2004-present?
For an actual full game? I would have to check.
There are games with fewer than 5, but those are probably nights we were out, so the thread was at ThreadSox or Ish or elsewhere.
Tying runs on for LBJ.
Time to produce!
TRUPED.
shit - truped a bit with wishful thinking.
WICKEDLY TRUPED!! But it doesn't matter the game is TIED!
GREEN!!!!
GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN
Haha Casey: "He's representin' number 22!"
get another run here and wake can qualify for yet another W
But nope. There go his all-star chances.
Who will be the hero tonight?
Well, co-hero.
a tizzle walk-off would be nice.
Record low number of comments? It's not this one.
Extras.
Fuck you Seattle!
I want a walk off!
Griffey's a sad shell of his former self.
D-fucking-P!
everyone in fenway is thinking it .........
This is like the fathers day game I went to. 5-5 bottom of the ninth.
only one pitched was needed the bottom of that frame.
If he's gonna do it the ball will go into or over the Monster seats.
casey better be careful. now that he is retired, he might eat himself to 800 pounds.
fucking americans
oh, if only that green double had 2 more feet of loft
I <3 Wakefield BTW. I get pissed when my fellow fans trash talk him. He's not Daisuke, ferchristakes.
Baltimore series wrung everyone out.
"casey better be careful. now that he is retired, he might eat himself to 800 pounds."
I think he is well on his way.
hold the line.
That's not gone well!
why the fuck has a sub-.200 hitter hit 3 doubles tonight?
Not so well.
one batter too late with that K, pedro.
Pedro being Gagne.
this will be dramatic
7-8-9 for the sox against mark lowe
Dramatic would be nice as long as there's a happy ending, lots of water.
I am here to watch the Sox come back...or not.
looking bad
So we are one run closer!
and thus it begins
hell yeah -- 1st HR for KOT
BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN MOTHERFUCKER BURN!!!!
lets go, drew. you sexy bastard
------->
FIRE!!!!
it's jockey time!
First time we can say DOUNG for Kottaras. Woooot.
99 coming in ............
Shit.
dojfgoifdfhgoudfhgofdhgoufdhgojfdhgoughfdougd
Oh well. Seattle brings some clean water.
Cleveland scored
3 in the 3rd
4 in the 4th
5 in the 5th
and beat Oakland 15-3
Tito stealing outs with Wake in the 8th, WTF?
We had our top of the lineup in the 10th, FML.
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