July 3, 2009

G79: Mariners 7, Red Sox 6 (11)

Mariners - 001 300 010 02 - 7 13  0
Red Sox - 200 000 120 01 - 6 11 0
George Kottaras hit his first major league home run in the 11th, but the Sox came up one run short.

Trailing 5-2 in the seventh, J.D. Drew belted a solo home run to dead center. With one out in the eighth, facing Sean White, Jason Bay walked and Mark Kotsay singled. Sean Kelley got Jacoby Ellsbury on a high fly to the track in left. Then Sean Green doubled high off the Wall, missing a home run by a few feet, but still tying the game at 5-5.

Seattle scored twice in the top of the 11th off Ramon Ramirez, with Rob Jonson's two-run double -- his third two-bagger of the night -- being the big blow.

Kottaras belted his dong to right-center with two outs in the bottom half of the 11th. Drew followed with a line drive single to right, but Dustin Pedroia grounded into a fielder's choice to end the game.

It was the first time Boston had played consecutive extra inning games since July 9 and 13, 2006. The first one was a 19-inning loss to the White Sox.

Wakefield: 8-10-5-0-3, 112. Manny Delcarmen and Jonathan Papelbon each pitched an effective inning of relief.

Drew, Green, Kottaras and Kotsay each had two hits; Green also walked and was the only Boston batter to reach base three times. Kevin Youkilis was 0-for-5, David Ortiz was 0-for-4 with a walk and a run scored, and Pedroia was 1-for-6.

The Yankees beat the Blue Jays 4-2 earlier in the afternoon, so the Red Sox are now only 2 GA.

***

Felix Hernandez (2.54, 167 ERA+) / Tim Wakefield (4.18, 111 ERA+)

When Tim Wakefield throws his first pitch tonight, he will have started more games than any other pitcher in Red Sox history. The new Top 5:
Pitcher Starts

Tim Wakefield 383
Roger Clemens 382
Cy Young 297
Luis Tiant 238
Mel Parnell 232
(Also, if Wakefield is chosen for the All-Star team, he would be the second-oldest player selected for his first appearance. Satchel Paige was 46 in 1952.)

MLB.com:
Hernandez returns to the scene of one of his best career starts -- a one-hitter against the Red Sox at Fenway Park three years ago [April 11, 2007] -- on a big-time roll. The ace right-hander has surrendered five earned runs in his past 53 innings, striking out 51 over that span. His two-seam fastball has been his bread-and-butter pitch, and rookie catcher Rob Johnson has not been shy about calling for it.
***

Canadian-born Jason Bay became an American citizen on Thursday (photos):
My wife is American and both my girls are American as well. This is where I spend most of my time [Bay lives in Seattle]. Although it is a big deal, it doesn't mean I cease being Canadian. I'll always be Canadian.
Bay had a horrible road trip, going 6-for-36 (.167/.189/.250); in his first game at Washington, Bay went 4-for-6, so in his last seven games, he is 2-for-30, with one walk. On Wednesday he became the fifth Red Sox player to strike out five times in one game.
I'm completely getting myself out now. Timing-wise, I'm kind of in between - I can't hit the fastball, can't hit the breaking ball. It's just one of those situations where everything that could go wrong is going wrong.
Daisuke Matsuzaka is on his way to Florida to begin a conditioning and shoulder-strengthening program. ... The Globe has an interesting article on Nick Green, anger and stress management. ... Thursday's Astros-Padres game in San Diego was delayed 52 minutes because of bees.

94 comments:

Ish said...

Thanks for the link on Green. That was a very good article. I wish I knew someone like Dr. West. I feel I can relate to some of the problems that Green has faced in everyday life.

L-girl said...

You may know someone like Dr West and not know it. Many (many!!) of us have been helped with similar issues. It's worth looking into.

redsock said...

TOR: 000 1
MFY: 010

Tallet/Burnett

9casey said...

Red Sox, Bay Yet To Resume Extension Talks
By Mike Axisa [June 13, 2009 at 9:30am CST]



since this article.......21 k's, ,and his AVG dropped 20 points, his OBP 30 points, and his OPS 90 points.

redsock said...

TOR: 000 101
MFY: 010 020

MFY got its two runs on: walk, walk, bunt single to pitcher, bases-loaded walk, and a wild pitch.

V Wells donged in the 6th.

9casey said...

Earlier this week when Smoltz was taken out of the game , it was said that he doesn't quailfy for win , but if the Red Sox were losing he would have been in line for the lose...The way they score pitching stats in mlb, need some work.....If Smoltz was throwing a perfect game for 4 and2/3 then hurt himself he couldn't get the win, but if Papelbon comes in and throws one pitch in the 9th in a save situation he gets a save.....Should there actullay be a stat for blown saves when you team wins ,after the closer blew it,and then pitcher gets the (BS) and the win?

In my opinion saves are the most overrated stat in baseball, but players are measured on it to a crazy degree.. really your team is up by 3 runs and you give up 2 you still get a save, and he should be rewared for that, when a quality start is measured by giving up 3 runs over 6 innings....

L-girl said...

"In my opinion saves are the most overrated stat in baseball, but players are measured on it to a crazy degree.."

Not unlike a pitcher's W/L record, which is almost meaningless, and tells you next to nothing about how he's pitching.

9casey said...

L-girl said...


Not unlike a pitcher's W/L record, which is almost meaningless, and tells you next to nothing about how he's pitching.



it does ,to a point because a pitcher will most likely not get a win when he doesn't pitch well, i.e Josh Beckett in his wins has only given up more than 3 runs once....in his losses he gave up 4, 7, and 7......Grienke gave up 1 , 6 and 7 in losses, in wins never more than 2.....so you can tell alot about wins and losses with starting pitchers...Chris Carpenter whose team doesn't hit....in losses gave up 3, 3, and 6......in wins 1,0,2,1, and 1....so wins and loses say more than people would like to beleive..

redsock said...

Chokers didn't choke, 4-2.

Saves do suck as stats, though some people keep track of which are tough and easy. And BR has a leverage index for each pitcher's appearances.

W-L should be abolished.

I also thought the QS stat was fairly bogus (4.50 = quality -- ??), but as it turns out if you make it 6 IP and 2 ER (a 3.00 ERA), more than 80% of QS would qualify. The outer limit is not as common as we might think.

redsock said...

Tonight we have a good example of why W-L should be ignored.

Felix: 2.54 - 8-3
Wake: 4.18 - 10-3

Run Support
Felix - 4.73 runs
Wake - 6.77 runs

redsock said...

Sean Casey is with Don in the booth for this series, right?

L-girl said...

"My wife is American and both my girls are American as well."

Those girls are actually Canadian citizens, too.

9casey said...

redsock said...
Tonight we have a good example of why W-L should be ignored.

Felix: 2.54 - 8-3
Wake: 4.18 - 10-3

Run Support
Felix - 4.73 runs
Wake - 6.77 runs






Wake in wins has given up:2,1,5,2,1,5,3,3,2,0...
in losses 3,7,6,


How does run support figure in that........

redsock said...

I was making the W-L note more in regards to the ERAs.

In Wake's first 4 wins, the Sox scored 8, 10, 10 and 13 runs. He didn't need all of those runs, of course, but that could inflate his average.

redsock said...

1. J.D. Drew, RF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. Kevin Youkilis, 3B
4. David Ortiz, DH
5. Jason Bay, LF
6. Mark Kotsay, 1B
7. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
8. Nick Green, SS
9. George Kottaras, C

1. Ichiro Suzuki, RF
2. Russell Branyan, 1B
3. Jose Lopez, 2B
4. Ken Griffey Jr., DH
5. Franklin Gutierrez, CF
6. Ryan Langerhans, LF
7. Chris Woodward, 3B
8. Rob Johnson, C
9. Ronny Cedeno, SS

Tito says Tiz/Bay flip is more to avoid 3 RH in a row than a permanent change.

Patrick said...

Randy Johnson '04: 10k/9, 1.5BB/9, 6.5H/9!, 2.60 ERA, 290Ks: .533 win %, 16-14 record in 35 starts.

Oh, 16-14, he's an average to slightly above pitcher.

9casey said...

Patrick said...
Randy Johnson '04: 10k/9, 1.5BB/9, 6.5H/9!, 2.60 ERA, 290Ks: .533 win %, 16-14 record in 35 starts.

Oh, 16-14, he's an average to slightly above pitcher.



16 wins I beileve is more than above average...

in 14 losses....3,5,2,1,5,3,6,3,4,3,2,2,4,3.....he could have easily been 20-10,if not better...that was a great year thats why he finished 2nd in the CY, too with someone with a better winning percentage....

redsock said...

Check out his run of 4 starts from August 15-31, 2004:

32 innings
15 hits
5 walks
54 strikeouts
1.12 ERA
1-2 record

I was trying to find a month that sticks in my memory but I couldn't find it.

I did see these 5 starts from June 25 to July 15, 1999:

40 innings
25 hits
12 walks
62 strikeouts
1.12 ERA
0-4 record

redsock said...

i assume he means 16-14 is slightly better than .500 (i.e., average)

redsock said...

Fat Billy won it that year.

L-girl said...

Randy Johnson will always be a great example of why W/L is ridiculous.

Then there are excellent starters who work for teams with lousy bullpens. Supposedly they pitch well "but have nothing to show for it". As if no one can tell how well they pitched.

I'm not threading, see you all later if the game is exciting.

9casey said...

RJ should be going for his 400th win...does BR do an expected w-l on pitchers?

9casey said...

L-girl said...

Then there are excellent starters who work for teams with lousy bullpens. Supposedly they pitch well "but have nothing to show for it". As if no one can tell how well they pitched.




It seems like he played for some terrible offensive teams, He played for the Yankees right? that seems like a blur for some reason...why do you think he wanted to get back to the NL...

In 2 seasons with yanks he had 34 wins , but a 4.40 era

redsock said...

...does BR do an expected w-l on pitchers?

Someone must. I imagine you could come up with what a pitcher's record "should have been" given his runs allowed and opponents.

redsock said...

I know there is the number of wins above what a replacement level pitcher would likely give you. I'm drawing a big blank, though.

redsock said...

i don't think casey meant to say that griffey's years in seattle were the best of any player ever.

at least i hope not.

redsock said...

looks like casey is also afflicted with "good atbat-itis"

BAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DOUUBLE!

meuniermr said...

REDSOX; the stat is VORP (value over replacement player)

meuniermr said...

Bay's AB music; "Coming to America"

9casey said...

meuniermr said...
Bay's AB music; "Coming to America"



Was it really..Neil Diamond's America

redsock said...

I know VORP. I'm thinking of Wins Above Replacement and expected record, which I think is in BP's stats.

9casey said...

redsock said...

I did see these 5 starts from June 25 to July 15, 1999:

40 innings
25 hits
12 walks
62 strikeouts
1.12 ERA
0-4 record




June 25 , No hitted by Jose Jimenez
June 30 1 hitted by RON VILLONE
July 5 1 hitted by Jose Jimenez (yes again)
July 10 3 hitted by Tim Hudson

redsock said...

wtf is it with balls down the lf line>?????

redsock said...

"man candy"?

Patrick said...

It may be raining (again), but this is the first day since April, that felt like summer here in New Hampshire.

redsock said...

Wow, what a dead thread!

redsock said...

June 25 , No hitted by Jose Jimenez
June 30 1 hitted by RON VILLONE
July 5 1 hitted by Jose Jimenez (yes again)
July 10 3 hitted by Tim Hudson


I think this is what I was looking for. I was thinking Johnson allowed 0, 1 or 3 hits and lost. But it was his noodle-batted teammates who did not hit.

redsock said...

sean casey is hungry.

redsock said...

FIRE BALL!!!!

Now 4-3

Ish said...

Evening, JoS. Not much going on, eh?

I'd like a nice Friday night July 3rd comeback plz.

westcoastsox said...

What is the record low number of comments for a JoS thread, 2004-present?

redsock said...

For an actual full game? I would have to check.

redsock said...

There are games with fewer than 5, but those are probably nights we were out, so the thread was at ThreadSox or Ish or elsewhere.

redsock said...

Tying runs on for LBJ.
Time to produce!

Ish said...

TRUPED.

redsock said...

shit - truped a bit with wishful thinking.

Ish said...

WICKEDLY TRUPED!! But it doesn't matter the game is TIED!

Benjamin said...

GREEN!!!!

redsock said...

GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

Ish said...

Haha Casey: "He's representin' number 22!"

redsock said...

get another run here and wake can qualify for yet another W

Ish said...

But nope. There go his all-star chances.

Ish said...

Who will be the hero tonight?

Ish said...

Well, co-hero.

redsock said...

a tizzle walk-off would be nice.

L-girl said...

Record low number of comments? It's not this one.

Extras.

Patrick said...

Fuck you Seattle!

I want a walk off!

Benjamin said...

Griffey's a sad shell of his former self.

redsock said...

D-fucking-P!

redsock said...

everyone in fenway is thinking it .........

Patrick said...

This is like the fathers day game I went to. 5-5 bottom of the ninth.

only one pitched was needed the bottom of that frame.

Ish said...

If he's gonna do it the ball will go into or over the Monster seats.

redsock said...

casey better be careful. now that he is retired, he might eat himself to 800 pounds.

Patrick said...

fucking americans

Patrick said...

oh, if only that green double had 2 more feet of loft

Patrick said...

I <3 Wakefield BTW. I get pissed when my fellow fans trash talk him. He's not Daisuke, ferchristakes.

johngoldfine said...

Baltimore series wrung everyone out.

L-girl said...

"casey better be careful. now that he is retired, he might eat himself to 800 pounds."

I think he is well on his way.

redsock said...

hold the line.

Ish said...

That's not gone well!

redsock said...

why the fuck has a sub-.200 hitter hit 3 doubles tonight?

johngoldfine said...

Not so well.

redsock said...

one batter too late with that K, pedro.

Ish said...

Pedro being Gagne.

Patrick said...

this will be dramatic

redsock said...

7-8-9 for the sox against mark lowe

johngoldfine said...

Dramatic would be nice as long as there's a happy ending, lots of water.

Amy said...

I am here to watch the Sox come back...or not.

Patrick said...

looking bad

Amy said...

So we are one run closer!

Patrick said...

and thus it begins

redsock said...

hell yeah -- 1st HR for KOT

Patrick said...

BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN BURN MOTHERFUCKER BURN!!!!

redsock said...

lets go, drew. you sexy bastard

Patrick said...

------->

Patrick said...

FIRE!!!!

redsock said...

it's jockey time!

Ish said...

First time we can say DOUNG for Kottaras. Woooot.

redsock said...

99 coming in ............

Benjamin said...

Shit.

Patrick said...

dojfgoifdfhgoudfhgofdhgoufdhgojfdhgoughfdougd

Ish said...

Oh well. Seattle brings some clean water.

redsock said...

Cleveland scored

3 in the 3rd
4 in the 4th
5 in the 5th

and beat Oakland 15-3

nixon33 said...

Tito stealing outs with Wake in the 8th, WTF?

We had our top of the lineup in the 10th, FML.