August 19, 2009

G119: Red Sox 6, Blue Jays 1

Red Sox   - 020 120 001 - 6 10  0
Blue Jays - 000 100 000 - 1 6 1
Halladay (5-8-5-2-7, 103) had a tough evening, throwing a lot of pitches -- a total of 72 in the second, third and fourth innings - and not retiring the Red Sox in order in any frame.

David Ortiz and Jason Bay both hit home runs, Jacoby Ellsbury tripled, and Alex Gonzalez singled twice in two trips. Victor Martinez added a solo dong in the ninth off Brandon League.

The Jays did very little against Buchholz (6-6-1-1-4, 94). A walk and a couple of singles resulted in a run in the fourth, and they left the bases loaded in the sixth. A trio of relievers -- Ramon Ramirez, Hideki Okajima and Takashi Saito -- retired nine of the ten batters they faced, allowing only a two-out walk in the seventh.
Example
Clay Buchholz (4.45, 106 ERA+) / Roy Halladay (2.65, 165 ERA+)

Both pitchers worked in the Red Sox's last trip to Toronto. On July 19, Halladay pitched a complete-game 3-1 win (9-6-1-0-7, 105).

Two days earlier, on July 17, Buchholz (5.2-4-1-3-3, 103) was credited with a win in a 4-1 Boston victory.

Red Sox Batters Against Halladay (by OPS)
                  PA   AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS
Jacoby Ellsbury 21 .286 .286 .667 .953
Kevin Youkilis 56 .347 .429 .510 .939
Jason Bay 16 .267 .313 .533 .846
J.D. Drew 28 .320 .393 .440 .833
David Ortiz 99 .275 .323 .505 .828
Victor Martinez 12 .300 .417 .400 .817
Mike Lowell 31 .233 .258 .533 .791
Jason Varitek 81 .213 .272 .347 .619

Casey Kotchman 15 .200 .200 .200 .400
Nick Green 6 .167 .167 .167 .334
Alex Gonzalez 6 .000 .167 .000 .167
Brian Anderson 3 .667 .667 .667 1.334
Dustin Pedroia 38 .200 .243 .343 .586

Total 412 .261 .314 .443 .757
Example
Scoreboard: Twins/Rangers at 8 and Yankees/A's at 10.

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Patrick said...

I've never had moose sausage, but I have had a moose burger, and I thought it was awesome.

Ish said...

I had a moose burger once, too.

Bison burgers are also tasty.

Patrick said...

Non sequitur 201!

Patrick said...

OTT

Ish said...

Among the different rehab stints Dice-K will have coming up, he's scheduled to throw 50 pitches for the Sea Dogs against the NH Fishercats on Aug. 29! Hmmmm. Wondering if I want to go or not. These you'd have to pre-order because they will sell out, I'm sure, on game night.

Kevin said...

Nice bounce-back inning there

L-girl said...

I dislike bison burgers, too dry. We had moose burgers in Nfld, they were ok.

L-girl said...

I seem to be all about the non-sequitir tonight.

Patrick said...

I had my moose burger in NFLD too. I had a lot of other firsts there too: Bear, rabbit, squirrel, squid, cod, mackerel, muscles...

fusionmouse said...

Clay on the mound and clay on Youk (sweat:dirt mix!)--Good night so far. Let's send Doc to the showers early!

meuniermr said...

OB just talked about Papi taking more walks there...

Pepe Lepew said...

Clay on the mound and clay on Youk (sweat:dirt mix!)--Good night so far. Let's send Doc to the showers early!

It looks like you got your wish.
Excuse my ignorance, but who is the "Ted" on the Toronto jerseys?

redsock said...

Ted Rogers.

Amy said...

Moose burgers? Hmm. Not on my must-have list.

Ish said...

Walked out to the living room where NESN is not muted and heard Viola rant for quite a few minutes about Dice-K and the WBC. He said, "I'll tell you what the WBC is. It's Bogus. The WBC is bogus!"

Haha he would say bogus, wouldn't he?

Kevin said...

Time for 54!

fusionmouse said...

Go LBJ Go!

Kevin said...

Way to swing at the first pitch, Drew

Patrick said...

Bay swung at the first pitch, and deposited it over the wall.

fusionmouse said...

Why do they lose all patience at the plate as soon as Doc is out?

10 pitch inning for Roe

Kevin said...

"Bay swung at the first pitch, and deposited it over the wall."

Yes, but Bay didn't have a baserunner trying to tie the Sox single season steals record on base

Pepe Lepew said...

Ted Rogers.

OK, thanks. I forgot he died last year.

Ish said...

Frank Viola looks like a guy who would wear a short-sleeve shirt with tie. He looks like a used-car salesman.

Patrick said...

Joe: No Halliday for Roy today.


Yuk yuk yuk.

Amy said...

Actually, I find myself agreeing with Viola about both the WBC and the ASG.

Patrick said...

Good point Kevin. I often forget what's going on in the game, as I am listening on the radio.

Ish said...

I walked back into NESN-Mute land before Viola got to the ASG bit.

Amy said...

He just said it's an exhibition game and shouldn't count for anything.

Ish said...

A guy at the restaurant I was at tonight, hanging out at the bar after the bike ride, said, "Did you hear who Buchholz is engaged with?"

Nope, I don't. That's because I'm a baseball fan.

He said it was one of the suit-case opening girls from Deal or No Deal. That just seems so random! She'll have to order the drinks, though. He gives them his ID and probably is turned away because they just wouldn't believe him.

Ish said...

Don't get me wrong. I agree with Viola, I just thought he sounded funny ranting about them.

redsock said...

buffy's sidekick pat tabler said he likes teams like boston in the playoffs because of their "veteran savvy" and because "they know how to play baseball in october".

in october, you run the bases from 2nd to 1st to 3rd. most teams don't practice that, but boston does.

SoSock said...

Whew, been watching with volume down and unable to type as I was on a loooong phone call.
I was able to follow thread tho without being rudely unattentive.
I tried Bison burger at.. a fair in Georgia? No it was in Detroit. They had ostrich and bison. Ostrich was better. I can see how the bison would be dry, tho they had it in a recipe that negated that.

L-girl said...

Patrick, hopefully you ate mussels in Nfld, not muscles. :)

We saw a fresh water mussel farm there. Interesting.

redsock said...

3rd out, clay, 3rd out.

Kevin said...

Youk 0-2 on diving for balls

Amy said...

Youk really getting dirty and sweaty tonight.

Pepe Lepew said...

Yeah, Sut, Lowell would've had that.
idiot!

Patrick said...

Mussels. Hah!

Do you remember where the mussel farm was?

There was one in the the town I was in, Fortune Harbor. All the mussels we ate, we picked off the rocks ourselves.

Kevin said...

Lowell wouldn't have even bothered diving for it

Amy said...

Get him OUT.

Amy said...

Nice. Done.

Pepe Lepew said...

Buchholz walkin' that tightrope!

redsock said...

buffy: "that'll stay in the ballpark."

yeah, by at least 75-80 feet

SoSock said...

In-car-nation busted his bat I do believe.

Ish said...

LOVED that. He swings, ball goes in the air, and he just SLAMS his bat into the ground.

Dr. Jeff said...

Hi y'all, checking in from New Mexico....Getting to watch this one as the game is on ESPN. Nice job getting out of that jam.

L-girl said...

I don't remember the name of the town off the top of my head, but I blogged every day from Nfld, it will be very easy to find.

It was on the road to the town that The Shipping News was filmed in. I have pics of the farm, too, because we had never seen anything like it before. I will check on the name.

Kevin said...

Jam escaped

93 through 6

Don't know if I'd risk sending him in for the 7th, his command didn't seem great that inning. Only had one first-pitch strike, and that was Ruiz singling on the first pitch.

Pepe Lepew said...

Hi y'all, checking in from New Mexico....Getting to watch this one as the game is on ESPN. Nice job getting out of that jam.

Where in New Mexico?

L-girl said...

Patrick, mussels were in Trinity Bay. The Shipping News town is Trinity - a beautiful ghost town.

fusionmouse said...

FY back tomorrow! Kelly and Dylan went home today.

Good news all around.

L-girl said...

We will be in New Mexico in a few weeks.

Pepe Lepew said...

We will be in New Mexico in a few weeks.

I've been to Santa Fe, Taos and Española. Very pretty country.

Kevin said...

Sit

SoSock said...

My son Taylor spent time in Taos and Espanola a few years ago. About 3 months in that general neck of the woods

fusionmouse said...

I've been to Santa Fe, Taos, Albuquerque, and Philmont. New Mexico has a lot of great things to see.

Bandelier NP is fascinating.

redsock said...

after saying ramram tops out at 92, tabler calls him a "hard-throwing right-hander" with a "plus fastball".

wha?

SoSock said...

Taylor LOVED it there. He's back in CA right now, has been since May. He's happy as a clam. (how happy ARE clams anyway?)
I would not be a bit surprised to se him move that direction one day.

L-girl said...

Re NM, I wish we could have more time there, it's disappointing to me not to be able to explore more, since I've never been there before.

But outside of the wedding and family stuff, we'll have a day or two in Santa Fe, then 3 full days to drive around and see other stuff.

The hard part will be deciding what to leave out - there's lots to choose from.

L-girl said...

Clams must be amazingly happy. I mean, you hear about their happiness all the time.

Amy said...

Any report from the landlord, A&L?

SoSock said...

A bit iffy.....but we'll TAKE IT!

Amy said...

I have seen clams. They have nothing to be happy about. Boiled live by humans, dropped on rocks to be eaten by seagulls, and living inside a stinky shell as a blob before killed by humans or seagulls.

L-girl said...

Re landlord, it will be 1-2 weeks before any renovations/construction start.

He's proceeding on the assumption that it was a overflow from so much rain, not structural damage.

He had a flood in his own house, and it *was* structural damage, and they are doing major repairs there. He said the evidence doesn't show that in our place.

I'm not sure what to think. I'd also like a little break with the rent, since we don't have the whole house anymore. Not sure if that is reasonable or not.

L-girl said...

Who knows, maybe that's all clams want to do?

Pepe Lepew said...

Re NM, I wish we could have more time there, it's disappointing to me not to be able to explore more, since I've never been there before.

But outside of the wedding and family stuff, we'll have a day or two in Santa Fe, then 3 full days to drive around and see other stuff.

The hard part will be deciding what to leave out - there's lots to choose from.


I would definitely check out Taos, and if it's not too late in the year, you can climb Wheeler Peak (13,160 feet)

Amy said...

It's reasonable to ask for a break on the rent, but it also may depend on what your lease says. And I know nothing about Canadian landlord-tenant law. There's no harm in asking, unless you don't want to risk creating bad blood with the landlord.

Amy said...

True---I can't get into the head of the clams. But then, they don't have heads. Just bellies and necks. And the shell.

L-girl said...

We are not climbing any peaks. That much I can tell you. :)

L-girl said...

We love ruins and ancient culture, and I know there's a lot of that - ancient native american culture. That will be a priority.

Amy said...

Nice grab there, Oki!

L-girl said...

Thanks Amy. I was wondering if it seemed reasonable. All the Ontario rent laws are online, so I'll check it out. The laws are pretty tenant-friendly here. But I am concerned about goodwill. I wish he would offer! But I suppose that's highly unlikely.

Amy said...

So who's pitching the 9th for the Sox? Saito or Bard?

Kevin said...

Green makes a FY-style play

L-girl said...

Nice game. Cruising.

SoSock said...

Green - impersonating FY

L-girl said...

Yes, nice play by Green. I must admit. :)

Kevin said...

Bard pitched last night, I'd think they go with Saito

redsock said...

it's good to tune up with these exhibitions before the real games on fri-sat-sun

L-girl said...

We may also have to go to Carlsbad Caverns. I'm not sure we will have time, but I'd like to go.

Amy said...

I am sure the last thing the landlord wants, in addition to spending money on repairs, is losing any rental income. I doubt he will offer, but perhaps a gentle suggestion. If you incurred any expenses to move or store your stuff, I would think he should at least reimburse you for those. If it were any room but the basement, I think you would have a stronger basis for asking for a reduction of rent. Basements are just not really part of the living space usually. I'd read over your lease as well as those landlord-tenant statutes.

9casey said...

Hey, what are you old farts still doin' up?

Dr. Jeff said...

I live in Las Cruces (sorry for the delay, had to go pick tomatoes). Been here about 10 yrs. It's an MLB wasteland, with the closest team being the D'backs about 5 hrs away by car.

Amy said...

We old farts need much less sleep than those young whippersnappers who are still growing.

L-girl said...

Hm, interesting. The basement is a huge part of our living space - it's a big reason we rent a house and not an apartment.

We're not incurring any expense, just a huge amount of work and inconvenience.

There is expense of replacing a few things that drowned, but it's more that we pay for a whole house but don't have it for an extended period.

Not sure what I'll do.

redsock said...

what if we ate dinner at 4 -- would that count for anything?

L-girl said...

Extra Mart!!!

Pepe Lepew said...

V-Mart!

redsock said...

BLUE LIGHT SPECIAL AT V-MART!

s1c said...

Martinezed!!!

Kevin said...

BLUE LIGHT SPECIAL AT V-MART!

9casey said...

I don't know if anyone else posted it , but Frankie V called Brad Mills, Brad Little.....

SoSock said...

Attn V-Mart Shoppers!!!!

Amy said...

Dr Jeff, I thought you were just visiting NM, not that you lived there! How did you get to be a Sox fan? Did you once live in New England?

GONE!!! V-Mart!

Somehow I foresee limited playing time for Tek in the days ahead.

L-girl said...

Attention trolls and lurkers, please note who is and who is not making snarky (and funny!) references to you! I guess they're all bitter bettys?!?

Kevin said...

Wow, exact same thought, including capitalization

Haha

Dr. Jeff said...

Yook beaned again! Hilarious!

SoSock said...

Ruh Roh Relroy!

L-girl said...

Brad Little?!?!

Pepe Lepew said...

I live in Las Cruces (sorry for the delay, had to go pick tomatoes). Been here about 10 yrs. It's an MLB wasteland, with the closest team being the D'backs about 5 hrs away by car.

Ah, New Mexico State. I went to Fresno State. We know the Aggies. Especially in basketball.
I've never been to southern New Mexico.

Amy said...

Is it a finished basement? If so, that could be viewed differently.

Tito NOT happy.

redsock said...

tito seems slightly annoyed

Amy said...

Youk truly the magician on the bases tonight!!!

redsock said...

YOOK A MAGICIAN ON THE BASES!!!!!!

fuck the jays

Ish said...

Kevin Youkilis. The Great Baserunning Adventurer.

Kevin said...

HA

He's been amazing at being safe tonight

Pepe Lepew said...

Youk a wiz on the basepaths tonight.

s1c said...

LOL, Jays can't even execute a run down

L-girl said...

Oh yes it's a finished basement.

It's a small house. The basement is a good one-third of our living space. We couldn't live here without it.

SoSock said...

Yook having a love affair with 2nd base today!
And Papi - beating out the infield single! Woo Woo!

andy said...

I am loving this game sooo much. This is refreshing to have calls and errors and lucky chances go our way.

L-girl said...

Again Allan posting the same as someone else, this time Amy.

Hey guess what? The Blue Jays suck!

Ish said...

Yep. Youk's been in and out of second base so much, his wife must be PISSED.

Dr. Jeff said...

Amy, I was born in Vermont. Lived in Holliston, near Framingham/Boston, for awhile, but grew up in the SF Bay Area. When I went to college in LA, I couldn't be a Dodger fan, and after having been away from the game for awhile, decided to get back into it and root for the Sox since I had some connection to Boston. It was Fall 1986 (!) and I was a freshman. Watched every game of the playoffs against the Angels and of course every game of that famous WS. Been hooked ever since, even going back to the Bay Area and rooting for the Sox against the A's in those late '80's playoffs. That's my story, sorry to take up so much game thread space!

Amy said...

Well, that's where I might start with the landlord, saying that you are really losing a third of your living area and are living in conditions that are not what you bargained for. See what he says?

Pepe Lepew said...

Oh yes it's a finished basement.

It's a small house. The basement is a good one-third of our living space. We couldn't live here without it.


I'm sorry, I haven't been following this part of the thread. Was it a plumbing problem or a rain problem?

L-girl said...

Dr Jeff, you are welcome to the space. Cool story.

Amy said...

Thanks for the background, Dr Jeff. I actually am fascinated by how people who live outside of New England became Sox fans. I also became hooked while in school and during a WS season, but it was 75.

L-girl said...

Pepe, rain problem. Floods all over the area - including landlord's own house.

redsock said...

born in vermont where?

Pepe Lepew said...

It was Fall 1986 (!) and I was a freshman. Watched every game of the playoffs against the Angels and of course every game of that famous WS. Been hooked ever since, even going back to the Bay Area and rooting for the Sox against the A's in those late '80's playoffs. That's my story, sorry to take up so much game thread space!

I've been hooked since 1975.
I was a little tiny kid then.

Dr. Jeff said...

Pepe, New Mexico State isn't known for athletics... They had a good run at basketball until Reggie Theus left as coach. I think they have a decent baseball team though.

SoSock said...

Up 5 - bottom half of the order up.
Should make for dirty water.

fusionmouse said...

I recommend Bandelier Nat. Monument for impressive Native American history and culture.

http://www.nps.gov/band/index.htm

Only 1 hour from Santa Fe.

Dr. Jeff said...

It was near Burlington. My parents went to UVM. I think they were living in a town called Essex Junction.

redsock said...

1975?

shit, you guys must be like 100 years old. man!

L-girl said...

Dr Jeff, that's where Allan grew up.

redsock said...

... in a town called Essex Junction.

???!!!???

Amy said...

I actually remember the 1918 season, but didn't want to brag or anything.

Dr. Jeff said...

Well, like Allan said in the thread interview, the game threads are a fun way to check in with other fans and share the fun/misery.

L-girl said...

FM, thanks, that's a definite possibility. Chaco as well.

Nothing has to be close to anything, tho - we love long scenic drives, and I understand there are many of them in NM.

Pepe Lepew said...

Pepe, New Mexico State isn't known for athletics... They had a good run at basketball until Reggie Theus left as coach. I think they have a decent baseball team though.

Fresno State has a FANTASTIC baseball program.
National champions in 2008. Sniff!

Dr. Jeff said...

Literally Essex Junction? Maybe that's why we share some musical tastes. I really liked the Neil Young, Dylan, and Joni Mitchell outtakes.

redsock said...

i could have used your memories, amy. maybe for the second edition.

...

i told tim last night we are going on a 42-3 run the rest of the way. so far, so good.

L-girl said...

I actually remember the 1918 season, but didn't want to brag or anything.

LOL - literally

Of course, we should all remember the 1918 season from a certain book, ahem.

Pepe Lepew said...

1975?

shit, you guys must be like 100 years old. man!


I was a little kid. I'm not THAT old!
Like, 1967 is actually before my time.

SoSock said...

75 - ha!
I won't even start.
Although I'm not the oldest here.
I just look and feel like it.

9casey said...

L-girl said...
Of course, we should all remember the 1918 season from a certain book, ahem.



I would have read it but my scrolls were ruined in the flood of '55

L-girl said...

Somehow I don't think Allan's musical tastes have much to do with Essex Junction. :)

redsock said...

it's like a fuckin' old folks home in here!

Ish said...

Who we gonna lose those three games to?

L-girl said...

scrolls!!! hahahahaha

This guy has provided us with a lot of material.

Ish said...

I come here because I've been ordered to 1000 hours community service.

Iridescence said...

A nice one sided game for the Red Sox. very cool. Been a while.

redsock said...

any idea where they might have lived in Essex Jct.?

SoSock said...

OK, even tho I know the answer I have to ask - Why can't Saito look this dominant in a freaking 1-run game?

Pepe Lepew said...

75 - ha!
I won't even start.
Although I'm not the oldest here.
I just look and feel like it.


The weird thing about '75 is I remember feeling like the Red Sox didn't actually lose because they were such underdogs to the invincible Big Red Machine. But, again, I was little.
1978 .... don't get me going.

9casey said...

Ish said...
I come here because I've been ordered to 1000 hours community service.



That's funny...

redsock said...

1Bump wants to go home

Patrick said...

Agua

Pepe Lepew said...

Oh, crap, we just won. That was quick.

s1c said...

dirty water

L-girl said...

Lovely easy filthy water!

Now GO A'S

redsock said...

The water is Muddy!!!

Benjamin said...

Allan knows something about scrolls.

Kevin said...

WATER

Amy said...

All right, more dirty water in Toronto. And not in Allan and Laura's basement (I hope).

SoSock said...

A very Dirty OTT!

Benjamin said...

I ask you, though, what kind of restaurant in New England puts on preseason NFL instead of the Sox?

Ish said...

There's a lot, a lot of dirty water here!

fusionmouse said...

True... Iri; most relaxed i've been at the end of a sox game in quite a while.

Not so dirty water (cause Youk soaked up so much of the dirt!)

Kevin said...

Great game by Clay, he's definitely progressed a lot since last season

Ish said...

FM, that must me Youk's covered in dirty water! :)

Dr. Jeff said...

Actually, I think I looked up their house on google maps one time, if I find out I'll let you know. This was 1967 when I was born, they moved to MA in '69.

See ya next time. Go Sox.

Amy said...

A fun night at the ballgame. Thanks, everyone. Now I need to take my Geritol and take out my teeth.

L-girl said...

Oh yeah, so fun to have a nice easy win for a friggin change!

SoSock said...

Pepe - my "I won't start" had to do with how old I already was in 75, not that year in baseball - although that WAS a big year. One of those moments that helped cement my loyalty to this team.

Iridescence said...

Yeah great start for Clay. Wonderful to see that!
Still think they could use Padilla though.

Ish said...

Yes! I can go home! Hours 461, 462, and 463 complete. Only 537 left! Then I'll be able to leave all of you to wither and die with your fake teeth and ungodly early dinner hour. :)

L-girl said...

Oh man, these age references are crrracking me up. Geritol! You have to be over a certain age to even know what that is!

What show was sponsored by them? Was it Art Linklater?

fusionmouse said...

Just gotta hop on my Rascal mobility scooter and block traffic on the way home...

Ish said...

FM make sure you have enough battery life so you don't run out in the middle of the street!

I've always wondered about that sort of thing...

Benjamin said...

Geritol still sponsors Jeopardy, afaik. Or maybe that's Centrum Silver.

Amy said...

Art Linkletter---that's a reference that makes me feel really old. My grandmother loved him and Lawrence Welk and always watched them when she visited us.

fusionmouse said...

Gosh that game combined with Cialis and I'm rarin to go!!

Amy said...

LOL! Cialis!

johngoldfine said...

Is Geritol a laugh line? I didn't know!

SoSock said...

My children are putting in an invisible fence around the yard.


For me.

Amy said...

Apparently, Geritol was a sponsor of The Lawrence Welk Show. Thanks, Grandma.

Amy said...

OK, off to catch up with some reading. A game over before 11 is a real gift.

Good night, all.

L-girl said...

Geritol doesn't sponsor Jeopardy, I don't think.

Linkletter, of course - I spelled his name like the filmmaker Linklater.

I also watched that with my grandmother. "Iron poor blood"

SoSock said...

I distinctly recall Geritol ads, but I'm not sure I ever knew what it was for. Just that old people used it, or were encouraged to anyway.

Kevin said...

Twins just tied it up in Texas

SoSock said...

Iron supplement! - That was it.
Eureka!

L-girl said...

Definitely a good night to catch up on some zeds. See you tomorrow as we go for the sweep.

Ish said...

Zedddddds. I need those.

L-girl said...

Geritol ad

johngoldfine said...

Bud Collier, Jack Bailey, Art LInkletter, Arthur Godfrey--frippin trip down memory lane

L-girl said...

Ah-ha!! For me it wasn't Welk or Linkletter, it was the Ted Mack Amateur Hour. That's where I know the Geritol ads from.

OK, that's enough of memory lane. See you all tomw.

Ish said...

Dodgers signed Padilla...

SoSock said...

Bud Collier, Jack Bailey, Art LInkletter, Arthur Godfrey--frippin trip down memory lane

Linkletter was a god in our house. But Red Skeleton was more so. Along with Fess Parker (Gunsmoke)and Jackie Gleason

redsock said...

MIN: 000 014
TEX: 003 10

johngoldfine said...

Sosock--only Jackie Gleason had any traction with me and he'd have had a lot more if he'd left June Taylor and Mr Dorsey back at the station.

SoSock said...

Twinkies lead!!!!

OK L, we'll let you go to sleep :)

redsock said...

Looks like Ish just sent over a second bowl of moose dicks to the Jays fans!

Ish said...

Those poor moose...

redsock said...

oh - are the dicks still attached to the mooses?

redsock said...

I-Roid 3-3 for Texas now.

SoSock said...

jgf - (sorry Laura)
These were all shows my parents adored and I was old enough to still remember them now. I don't really remember liking or disliking them, except the Honeymooners stuff and Red's Clem Kadiddlehopper. I loved both of those.

SoSock said...

jgf - (sorry Laura)
These were all shows my parents adored and I was old enough to still remember them now. I don't really remember liking or disliking them, except the Honeymooners stuff and Red's Clem Kadiddlehopper. I loved both of those.

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