August 20, 2010

G123: Blue Jays 16, Red Sox 2

Blue Jays - 513 023 110 - 16 20  0
Red Sox - 000 000 200 - 2 9 1
Lester had the worst start of his career: 2-8-9-3-1, 51.

The six outs were a career low -- Lester's shortest starts before tonight were 2.1 innings on August 23, 2008 against Toronto (allowing 7 runs in an 11-0 loss) and September 25, 2009 against the Yankees.

The nine runs allowed were also a career high. Lester allowed eight runs to Tampa Bay in 4.1 innings on May 9, 2009 and he has given up seven runs three times, mostly recently, on April 18 of this year, again to the Rays.

The 51 pitches were also the fewest Lester has ever thrown in a start. His previous low was 76 on June 28, 2008, in five innings against the Astros. He threw 78 pitches in both of the 2.1 IP games linked above.

The 16 runs were the most the Blue Jays had ever scored against the Red Sox. They had scored 15 runs three times (September 27, 1988 (15-9), July 1, 2005 (15-2), and August 17, 2008 (15-4). It was also the Jays' widest margin of victory over Boston.

Lyle Overbay hit two three-run home runs against Lester and finished with four hits and a career-high seven RBI. He had 6 RBI (and two dongs) for the Brewers on July 23, 2005 against the Reds.

[I can post all that stuff within minutes because of Baseball Reference. The Play Index subscription $36/year is a ridiculous bargain. This is not an ad. I simply love B-Ref!]

Yamaico Navarro (#56) made his major league debut for the Red Sox in the fifth, pinch-hitting for Marco Scutaro. Navarro lined the first pitch down the left field line for a single. He took over at shortstop and went 1-for-3.

Did the Red Sox do anything else worth mentioning? Well, Dusty Brown had a double and two RBI, Marco Scutaro and Darnell McDonald each had two hits, Jed Lowrie singled, walked, and scored, and Daniel Nava made another great catch in left field.

The Mariners beat the Yankees 6-0. The A's beat the Rays 5-4.
Example
Brett Cecil / Jon Lester
Scutaro, SS
Lowrie, 2B
Martinez, C
Ortiz, DH
Beltre, 3B
Lowell, 1B
Drew, RF
Hall, LF
McDonald, CF
Update: After playing in two games, Dustin Pedroia has been placed back on the disabled list. Short Q&A with FY here.

Dustin Pedroia's left foot is still sore. The Globe's Nick Cafardo writes that the team "may be suggesting more rest for the second baseman which could include more time on the disabled list or simply more time between appearances."

Lester has not allowed a run in his last two starts, covering 14.1 innings. In his two starts against Toronto this season -- April 28 and July 9 -- Lester has given up two runs in 13 innings, with 17 strikeouts.

J.D. Drew has reached base in 25 of his last 27 games, despite a batting average of only .211 (19-for-90); his OBP is .336 in that span. ... Toronto catcher J.P. Arencibia went 1-for-15 after his memorable debut and was sent back to AAA on Wednesday.

AL East:
Mariners/Yankees, 7 PM
Rays/A's, 10 PM
Example
August 20:

1903 - The Pirates set an NL record by making six errors in the first inning of a 13-7 loss to the Giants. The MLB record is seven errors, committed by Cleveland in the eighth inning against Chicago on September 20, 1905.

1919 - Joe Wilhoit, an outfielder for the Wichita Jobbers (Western League), goes hitless for the first time since June 13, ending his 69-game hitting streak. Wilhoit batted .515 (153-for-297) during the streak and finished the season with a .422 average.

1974 - Nolan Ryan strikes out 19 Tigers, but the Angels lose 1-0 in 11 innings. It is the third time Ryan has struck out 19 batters this season; the other two times were against the Red Sox, on June 14 (in 13 innings) and August 12.

2000 - Seattle's 12-4 loss to Cleveland is the seventh consecutive game in which the Mariners have allowed at least nine runs. That ties a 99-year-old record set by the New York Giants on September 3-6, 1901.

161 comments:

L-girl said...

Toronto catcher J.P. Arencibia went 1-for-15 after his memorable debut and was sent back to AAA on Wednesday.

Baseball. What a crazy game.

mattymatty said...

Pedroia back to the DL according to the Globe.

Tom DePlonty said...

Pedroia is back on the DL.

http://tinyurl.com/2uqtwmp

Figures.

meunier said...

Navarro is from the same town as Ortiz

meunier said...

No bandwith available for MLB TV, I got caught updating my Garmin.

redsock said...

I got caught updating my Garmin

Were you reading Glamour?

redsock said...

Arencibia was also sent back because John Buck is off the DL today.

L-girl said...

I got caught updating my Garmin

So that's what we're calling it now.

redsock said...

OB says that fly was "into the triangle". Was not even close to the dirt of the track.

redsock said...

time for the original houdini to work his magic

redsock said...

no magic anywhere.

let's go, bats.

meunier said...

The good news is that it's early, start chipping away here..

Dr. Jeff said...

Whoa. Just turned it on. Lester dug a hole?

Dr. Jeff said...

Ortiz looks worse striking out than most hitters.

L-girl said...

You know, I miss the game every Weds, and I missed last night's game, too. And tomorrow is our party, we'll miss that game. So Sox, COULD YOU PLEASE COME BACK AND WIN THIS ONE???

Thanking you in advance.

redsock said...

SEA - 30
MFY - 0

Branyan 3-run dong.

mattymatty said...

Does anyone else feel like between the endless DL stints, the random injuries, and the underperformance from guys like Beckett and Lackey, this first inning may have been the wheels coming off the wagon? I'm not lying when I say I feel a bit sick.

redsock said...

atchison up

redsock said...

everyone has their "last straw" moment. fy going back on the DL is a strong contender -- more so than lester's start, i'd say.

redsock said...

77 in 88

that is a lot, but you should check other teams. i'll bet there are others in the 70s also, or high 60s. also, does that include interleague?

mattymatty said...

everyone has their "last straw" moment

This game (with all the stuff from the last few days) might be be mine.

L-girl said...

Oh man, I always cry from the Jimmy Fund telethon. Listening to this girl diagnosed with Hodgkins at age 16 - so smart and articulate. Very moving.

mattymatty said...

77 in 88

Sorry, I must've missed something. What does that mean?

L-girl said...

Re last straw, be more specific? Last straw of hoping for postseason? Watching games this season? Something else...?

mattymatty said...

Last straw in terms of hoping for the post-season, I guess. I keep hoping for the team to turn it on and go on a run, which could still happen... I dunno. I'm just upset I guess. Sorry, L-girl, this isn't the most coherent answer.

mattymatty said...

Fuck.

L-girl said...

OMFG

Dr. Jeff said...

Ouch, re: Lester. As we say sometimes on the golf course: "Not today!"

redsock said...

Lester: 2-8-9-3-1, 51

L-girl said...

No mattymatty, that answers my question perfectly.

I feel lucky, in a way, that I gave up on the postseason a long time ago. Not on purpose, it was just how I felt - always hoping to be wrong, more than willing to be surprised, but deep down, I had no hope this team would see postseason play.

So it's been easier for me.

I want them to win every game, of course - especially the games I watch or listen to - but I haven't been concerned about standings for months.

redsock said...

mrs.gotribe mentioned the sox using 77 lineups in 88 games at one point, maybe it is in the latest pedroia post.

mattymatty said...

Not being worried about the standings probably makes it much easier to shrug off a lousy game like tonight's.

I just looked up the playoff odds. Coolstandings.com has the Sox at 11% to make the playoffs. Baseball Prospectus has them at 19%. This is of course before tonight's disaster. You'll forgive me for taking the under on both those.

meunier said...

Ive only now accepted that we'll be hearing Big Bad Voodoo Daddy at the end of the season.

redsock said...

with all that has happened, there is no way on earth the red sox should make the playoffs. yet it's still not out of the question, though it is a long shot. esp. if 2 of the 5 starters keep shitting the bed.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

Well, I've been over on the FY post wondering where everybody was!! I guess the laugh is on me.

Anyway, I found this earlier and posted it over there.

Okay, I spent the last inning looking for this (it was better than giving all my attention to Lester).

July 15. from Abraham at the Globe
The Sox face the real possibility of fielding one of the best teams in the game yet not going to the postseason, thanks to a series of injuries that have forced them to use an astonishing 77 different lineups over 88 games.


I remember reading this and thinking it was amazing. What do you think the numbers are now?

meunier said...

The "So long, farewell, bye-bye" song I mean.

redsock said...

107 batting orders (not including tonight)

redsock said...

they used 113 last year

Mrs.GotRibe said...

Allan, when I read the 77 in 88 I wondered how that compared to other teams. I don't know if it is atypical, but it sure seems like a lot.

meunier said...

Ronny Paulino, the Marlins catcher, tested positive for Andro

Mrs.GotRibe said...

So that's 69% of games with different lineups last year. At game 88 this year, they were at 87%.

redsock said...

lineups used through last night

sox 107
mfy 84
rays 100
jays 73
orioles 93

Mrs.GotRibe said...

If anybody cares, the MFY are losing 5-0.

meunier said...

Its a good thing I can't see this game right now.

L-girl said...

Not being worried about the standings probably makes it much easier to shrug off a lousy game like tonight's.

Yup. I'd love to see the comeback of the season - and it's annoying since this is the only game I can watch in 4 days. But I do shrug it off.

I was telling Allan at dinner, maybe this is how fans of non-contending teams feel.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

And at 107 last night, they are still at 87%. I don't see that number decreasing in the next month either.

WOW!

L-girl said...

If anybody cares, the MFY are losing 5-0.

I would say we all care. Always!

I SO want Tampa to win the division.

redsock said...

random NL teams

pirates 97
nationals 93
dodgers 93

all the injuries seemed to happen in august, but 2006 sox - 116

L-girl said...

Papi half dong!

Mrs.GotRibe said...

I love to watch Allan go when he starts down a stats path!

redsock said...

if you are listening to the radio, castig mentioned cito gaston telling him about a game in 1989 that the sox led 10-0 and the jays came back and won 11-10.

the sox did lead 10-0 -- after 6 -- and the jays won 13-11 in 12 innings. june 4, 1989. crazy linescore.

redsock said...

if only my threading computer was faster.

redsock said...

so
hall from lf to 2b
lowrie from 2b to 1b
nava in lf for lowell

is that it?

redsock said...

atchinson out abd bowden in

Amy said...

So I have officially given up on the post season (I had unofficially done so a while back). Now I can watch a game like this without retching all over the place.

What the hell happened to Lester? Last night I called him our ace, and now...this?

redsock said...

just a shitty night - everybody has 'em.

L-girl said...

Aces have bad starts, too.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

Amy, it seems that most are coming to that conclusion. My husband said that he is calling it as of today (that was even before we knew about FY). Pedey clinched it for me.

I like your official/unofficial view. I'm with you on that.

Amy said...

Yep, guess so. Just disappointing. But like I said, I am at peace. Now I can just watch baseball and not worry. We win, we lose, it's still a game of baseball.

Amy said...

I won't even have heart failure over the bullpen any more.

L-girl said...

Oh boy, this just keeps getting better.

redsock said...

jaystv trooped me - thought that was gone

L-girl said...

Thank goodness for MLB Audio tonight! Buffyvision and Jays radio must be insufferable tonight.

redsock said...

wow- escobar was just walking down the line, admiring that shot. then he started sprinting.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

My son is on his way home from Boston tonight. He thought about switching his flight to tomorrow so he could go to the game tonight. I'm glad he didn't.

redsock said...

so they will lose 28-0 tonight and dice will have 22K tomorrow and i'll be missing it. yay.

Dr. Jeff said...

re; escobar, I thought it was gone too.

Amy said...

Is it really just the bottom of the 5th? Isn't there a mercy rule in baseball?

redsock said...

navarro! 1st MLB hit

meunier said...

This game is overrrrr

meunier said...

Baring something miraculous

L-girl said...

The game is over? 3 more innings as far as I can tell.

redsock said...

This game is overrrrr

not necessarily

redsock said...

Fangraphs had the Jays at 99.6% to win at the start of this half-inning.

L-girl said...

I repeat: OMFG.

Amy said...

Never say never.

I know I have talked about this before, but I always remember that game I heard on the radio when we were in Maine probably ten or so years ago when we caught a distant broadcast of a game between Cleveland or Detroit where one team was down over ten runs and came back to win the game. It wasn't that Toronto game. I know Allan once figured out what game it was, but I no longer remember.

L-girl said...

Just to clarify, I don't think we're winning this one, but the game is not over. There's a difference.

Amy said...

I found this. This was the game.

On August 5th, 2001, The Indians completed the biggest comeback in MLB History. Being down to the Seattle Mariners, 12-0 in the 4th, and 14-2 in the 6th, the Indians rallied to win, 15-14 in 11 innings. Thus, it became know by baseball fans as The Impossible Return

I forgot it was on my birthday!

redsock said...

amy, a sox game? (i guess it had to be!) any idea of a year?

redsock said...

mcdonald's dong did not move the fangraph's %!

we still have roughly a 0.4% chance of winning!

redsock said...

513 023

shame the jays went ott in the 4th

Amy said...

Nope, not a Sox game. That's why it was so unusual to hear it on the radio. It was a clear summer night where we were able to pick up the Cleveland broadcast on backroads in Maine on the way back from our friends' cabin.

redsock said...

the box

redsock said...

when you said clev, i thought of that seattle game. turns out that was it!

Amy said...

We had a long ride back, and we just were mesmerized as CLE started coming back.

Amy said...

Too bad John Rocker was the winning pitcher!

Thanks for the box score, Allan.

L-girl said...

I remember that Seattle-Cleveland game very clearly. If I was paying more attention to the thread, I would have given you the info immediately. :)

And on your birthday too!

Amy said...

Yes, we were up in Maine (before we owned the cottage on the Cape), visiting our close friends----I guess to celebrate my birthday!

redsock said...

the night's silver lining:

DET - 301 101 0
MFY - 000 000

redsock said...

mdc in - giving jays a shot at 20.

L-girl said...

That is supposed to be the single biggest comeback in baseball history - most runs in fewest innings. I was at the Yankees game the next day and everyone was talking about it.

L-girl said...

Great catch!!!

redsock said...

NAVER!

Amy said...

I still don't know how we were able to pick up a Cleveland broadcast, but I am sure glad we did. Even though I was not a fan of either team, it was just an incredible game to hear.

Amy said...

2001. I didn't remember that either. What a summer that was.

L-girl said...

You are describing one of my favourite things in the world: driving, anywhere, picking up a baseball game on the radio - listening to the game as the miles roll by. Heaven.

Amy said...

Yes, I think I first loved baseball on the radio before I had ever seen a game live. I used to listen to Mets games in the dark of my room at night on a transistor radio! Listening in the car came later.

redsock said...

Most runs scored by Blue Jays vs Red Sox: 15

September 27, 1988
July 1, 2005
August 17, 2008

and tonight

L-girl said...

Amy, that's so cool. I never listened to games on the radio as a kid. I didn't really discover the joy of baseball on the radio til the 1990s.

SoSock said...

Wow, this is hilarious.

I thought the only time you see games like this is with Little League teams in the 9-10 or 13-14 divisions.

Off to the shower. (Worked late) Fully expect us to have scored when I return. Fully doi NOT expect us to have made this an interesting game. I think maybe drinking profusely is in order.

Amy said...

well, back in my day, there was no TV. OK, not really, but I didn't have control over the TV in our house, and no one else was a baseball fan in my family back then. They since have become fans---I think I was able to teach them the joys of the game at some point. My mother claims she was a Dodgers fan as a kid, but I think just because she lived in Brooklyn.

Anyway, radio was the only way I got to listen/see a game.

L-girl said...

Here we go, it's the day-before-wmtc5 miracle!

Amy said...

Yay, no shut out!

redsock said...

sosock gets his runs.

floodgates?

Amy said...

The SoSock shower does it again!

SoSock said...

Oh, before I go - the radio thing is very cool. Like Amy, I never did it as a kid, but when we were traveling with the soap business I would be driving very long distances at night with her asleep and me searching for college or NPR stations, and occasionally I would happen on a baseball game. Couldn't help but stop and listen, at first just looking for a Sox update. I fell in love with it and before long it became what I was searching for almost as often as the others

L-girl said...

I didn't watch baseball on TV either, as a kid, with two exceptions - we watched the WS every year, at least most of it, and in Brooklyn at my relatives' houses, where my grandfather and great uncle would be watching the Mets, and I would hang out with them.

I would ask questions about the game and they *told me the wrong rules*. Amazing but true.

I didn't get into baseball in a big way until high school, through friends.

SoSock said...

Hey look! We scored before I even got wet! Just think what's gonna happen next. Uh, meaning in the game of course :)

L-girl said...

SoSock, very cool, I totally relate.

redsock said...

We scored before I even got wet!

Comment of the night.

SoSock said...

And I guess I meant - "Like Laura", not "Like Amy"

This working late - yeesh. Would be much better to be able to blame it on alcohol

L-girl said...

We scored before I even got wet!

Comment of the night.


I was about to say the same thing!

(Comment of the night, that is. Not SoSock's comment!)

Amy said...

They told you the wrong rules?

BTW, I was in high school also. I really did not become a serious baseball fan until high school when my then boyfriend taught me all about the rules.

redsock said...

i had only radio for most of my first several years of sox. game on tv on saturday and maybe sunday (cannot recall). plus whenever they were on monday night baseball. other than that: my yellow transistor radio tuned to WJOY.

"joy of wjoy"?

Amy said...

LOL re SoSock's comment!

redsock said...

brownballa.

L-girl said...

Yup, told me wrong information. My take is they didn't think a girl could really care or understand, so they told me any old thing to shut me up.

Many years later, when I was really into baseball, I tried to connect with my grandfather through the game, but never could. It was like granddaughters and baseball existed in totally different spheres.

He was a huge Mets fan, watching by himself on a small TV in the bedroom while my grandmother watched movies or Masterpiece Theatre or whatever on the big livingroom set.

L-girl said...

There we go, 16 to top the Jays' record against us.

redsock said...

new record for toronto runs vs boston.

redsock said...

so they told me any old thing to shut me up

... and that's why she thinks ichiro is super good.

(ducks ... and runs far away)

L-girl said...

(ducks ... and runs far away)

Yeah, keep running...

redsock said...

WE SAW HISTORY TONIGHT, FOLKS!!







woo-hoo.

redsock said...

SEA 6, MFY 0

Amy said...

That's too bad about your grandfather. It could have been a special bond. But he was a man stuck in those sexist times.

Amy said...

History. Definitely overrated.

redsock said...

jays tv showing a horrific montage on sox fans singing sweet caroline. i think i may switch teams.

L-girl said...

He was very sexist - very conservative in general. He was a terrific guy, such a sweetheart, treated my mom (his only child) and my grandmother like his princesses, absolutely devoted to both of them. Very sweet.

Amy said...

Harvey and another friend who is a NYY fan both keep whining about how their pitching is weak also. Why do they think I will be sympathetic?

Harvey keeps trying to tell me not to count the Sox out. I think he is just toying with me, like a cat plays with a half dead mouse.

L-girl said...

Harvey, cut that out! Go whine to other NYY fans, they are so good at whining.

L-girl said...

I don't even know where we are in the standings. Don't know and don't care.

redsock said...

half-dead?

I'll take it!

L-girl said...

I mean how many GB. I know we're in 3rd place.

L-girl said...

In other news, we are worried about Cody. She has some new issues, could be recurrence of the cancer. Doesn't look good. Biopsy on Weds. :(

L-girl said...

I haven't said anything on wmtc or FB yet. Breaking news here on gamethread.

Amy said...

Well, those were the times, and those were tough values to change for many older men. My father, who obviously is a different generation from your grandfather, was sexist in many ways when I was little (though not in others, like whether girls should do well in school, go to college, etc.), but he has lived long enough to change his values.

Amy said...

Oh, so sorry about Cody. :( Does she seem uncomfortable? Poor pup.

redsock said...

WOW BEltre!

and jays score in only 7 of 9 innings

L-girl said...

That's encouraging to hear, re your dad. My grandparents were very conservative and very resistant to change of any kind, for any reason, EVER. Their inflexibility, their shock at any and all change, was a running joke in our family.

They were also politically conservative too, so there were many entertaining fireworks.

L-girl said...

Yes, she seems unhappy. She might be in discomfort or pain, which as you know, is the worst feeling for us. I'm beginning to prepare myself for the worst.

redsock said...

jats go with pitchers beginning with c:
cecil
carlson
camp

L-girl said...

My grandmother, to her credit, thought it was great that her granddaughters had more options and choices and could live fuller lives than she was able to. She was not conservative about encouraging us to go to school and pursue careers.

L-girl said...

jats? new stat?

Amy said...

You are lucky to have such clear memories of your grandparents. I had only one who lived long enough for me to know her well. She was not a political person--I doubt she had any opinions on such matters. I think my maternal grandfather was quite liberal and influenced my mother that way (he was a union member and involved in union matters, from what I gather). My father's parents I really did not know at all. I have no idea where he got his politics from, but despite being sexist, he has always been very liberal in his political outlook.

L-girl said...

Cleanest water ever!

redsock said...

cleanest. water. ever.

SoSock said...

Very, very sorry to hear the news about Cody. You'll be in my thoughts.

Amy - good for your dad! My dad, 86 now, hasn't really changed his old school conservative thinking at all. I think it's more pronounced now that he's older. At least he tones it down when I'm around, knowingI'm from a different school of thought.

And btw - why the hell did we not score more while I was in the shower!? Apparently a case of premature runs......

Amy said...

Game over. Thank goodness. Water incredibly clean.

I will think positive thoughts for Cody. I ache for you all.

Amy said...

Premature runs! LOL, SoSock!

Mrs.GotRibe said...

Clean, yuk.

L-girl said...

Yes, I was lucky, two of my grandparents and some very special great aunts (my grandmother's sisters) were alive well into my adulthood, and I was able to appreciate them in a way I didn't when I was younger.

So many people from our grandparents' generation got their politics through being union workers. I have that on my father's side, one of a few good things I got from my father.

L-girl said...

Thank you very much, Amy and SoSock.

At our party tomorrow, everyone will be asking about Cody, and I'll be drinking... a bad combination.

But she's here now, today. So that's good.

Geez, sorry to be morose, I just had to share. Good night!

Amy said...

Have fun tomorrow. And I hope everyone remembers to bring food!

redsock said...

If not, there will still be plenty to drink!

johngoldfine said...

I hope the best for Cody.

L-girl said...

Thank you, John.

And thank you, Amy, me too!! :)

SoSock said...

No apologies necessary for sharing. We would be bothered if you felt you shouldn't.

Mrs.GotRibe said...

You will have plenty of food. Cody will get plenty of love and attention. And maybe the Sox will win!

Have a great time.

tim said...

fuck this


well at least the AL west came through for us tonight. yay for tampa pissing that one away. just tuned in for the final couple outs, in time to hear TB announcers bitching and moaning about a questionable call at first.

tim said...

just scrolled the thread - so sorry to hear about cody, guys. i'll give her extra pats tomorrow and try and cheer her up. i'll make sure winston leaves her alone, since he assumes every dog is as rambunctious/rough and tumbly as himself, which isn't always a good thing.

tim said...

the sox did lead 10-0 -- after 6 -- and the jays won 13-11 in 12 innings. june 4, 1989. crazy linescore.

*takes one look at red sox manager*

well, there's the problem.

also, did not realize david wells came up with the jays. interesting.

tim said...

after this shit start, i really hope a lester DL stint isn't coming.

i mean, there's gotta be someone being DL'ed tomorrow...otherwise it would break tradition!