September 16, 2006

G148: Yankees 7, Red Sox 5

After watching Alex Gonzalez work his magic for months, it was more obvious than ever that Derek Jeter has very little range at shortstop.

This was crystal clear in the top of the sixth inning. The game was tied 3-3 and Randy Johnson had gotten Lowell to line out to first. Varitek grounded a ball into the shortstop hole. It was playable but Jeter could only wave his glove at it. Single to left. Then Kapler hit a grounder to Jeter's left. It was a play that Gonzo would have gloved, worked through a couple of sudokus and still got his man at first. Jeter stood there and watched it go into center for another single.

The inning should have been over, but the Unit would end up throwing 18 more pitches before being pulled. With runners at first and second, Johnson walked Pedroia and allowed a two-out double to Crisp. Boston 5-3.

The Yankees came right back and re-tied the game a 5-5 in their half of the inning (Jeter ended that rally by flying to center with the go-ahead run at second). New York added two more in the seventh and that was that.

I'm pretty sure he's bringing in more with the bat than he's letting get away in the field, but damn -- he is really immobile.

MVP Watch: Jeter was 1-for-5 with a run scored; Ortiz did not play (he should have batted for Lowell or Varitek (as the tying run) in the 9th).

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Julian Tavarez (4.74) / Randy Johnson (4.84), 8 PM

Question: When was the last matchup of two pitchers in such dire need of dermabrasion as these two gentlemen?

Sexy Lips has not allowed a run to the Yankees this season -- 7.1 innings in five appearances. And his ERA is lower than the Eunuch's.

36 comments:

Gutch220 said...

Sexy Lips has not allowed a run to the Yankees this season You just jinxed him... hurry up and edit.

redsock said...

You just jinxed him... hurry up and edit.

Jinx?

As I've long maintained, the only people who talked about the "curse" and ghosts and goblins for years and years were Yankee fans.

Gutch220 said...

what are you talking about, I just said you jinxed him. Nobody said anything about a curse.

redsock said...

Jinx or curse -- it's all silliness and should not be taken seriously (not that I think you were seriously claiming I put a jinx on ol' S. Lips).

Gutch220 said...

what about this?

http://bambinoscurse.com/images/2posts/042203.jpg


Oooooooo Aaahhhhh Scaaaary.

Is it me, or is it anatomically correct?

L-girl said...

Except when it comes to no-hitters. Then all jinxes apply, I believe.

Yes, the starting matchup tonight was a dermatologist's dream. Some nights you can do without the close-ups.

Woti-woti said...

Somebody on SoSH said it was the ugliest matchup of the year. Cruel, cruel.

9casey said...

This just taken from Buter Oney's espn page...Any comments!?


Moving Papelbon into the rotation makes sense in light of his shoulder injury, because the team can better regulate his work regimen, and because Boston might get 200 to 210 innings from his talent, rather than 75 to 80 innings. The Red Sox will have a chance to have a particularly strong rotation next year if Josh Beckett improves, with a possible five of Curt Schilling, Tim Wakefield, Jon Lester in front of Papelbon and Beckett (and if I had to fathom a guess right now, I'd also bet that Roger Clemens will pitch for Boston next year).

brian said...

Got to split tomorrow so they don't clinch against us.

As for Olney's comments, they led me to wonder about possibility of Clemens as a closer? If Roger were to come back to Boston I don't think he would dominate as a starter. He could let it fly for one inning and give us a lights out closer. (Of course Clemens would have to sign off on being a member of the team for 162 games and not a hired gun who makes 20-25 starts and disappears in between.

Jack Marshall said...

When the Sox won game one and I realized that if they had swept 5 from the Yankees and not the other way around there would be just a half game between them, I decided that now is the time for the Moron Who Really Thought the Sox Could Win 102 Games to reveal his "Ten Top Reasons the Sox Collapsed that have Nothing to Do with Injuries" list. Why anyone should read them or care, coming not only from a moron but from a sanctimonious moron, is a really good question, but anyway, here they are:

1.Theo Epstein’s winter bug-out, which led to a confused off-season strategy (trading two shortstops with no apparent alternative, etc.)

2.The optimistic over-dependence on old pitchers (Wells, Wakefield, Schilling, Timlin, Seanez, Tavarez) when the roster was being set.

3.Failure to sign Mike Myers or a equivilent, leading to a season long deficit in the bullpen due to no reliable lefty.

4.Failure to find, sign or promote a dependable major league 5th starter all season.

5.The Arroyo trade, not because it won’t pay off in the long run, but because he really would have helped this season, thanks to #4.

6.The panic move of trading Josh Bard and Cla Meredith for Doug Mirabelli, responding to sports page and fan pressure.

7.The inexplicably wretched inconsistency of Josh Beckett.

8.The complete failure of Coco Crisp to play as advertised, to be a good lead-off man or any kind of impact player.

9.Craig Hansen’s poor performance when he really was needed to bolster the pen, and perhaps spring Papelbon to be the desperately needed starter.

10. Epstein’s inexplicable failure to shore up the team’s pitching at the trading deadline.

These pretty much lay the groundwork for the Sickening Sweep of 2006, effectively ending the season. All the subsequent injuries would have done in the team anyway, but that shouldn't make us forget or forgive the mistakes that went before.

L-girl said...

I also thought the Sox would win more than 100 games. However, I am not a moron. Merely an optimist.

L-girl said...

Nor do I think anyone else who predicted such success is necessarily a moron.

Jack Marshall said...

Let's just say that I FEEL like a moron, a cock-eyed optimist who missed the forest for the trees. I have had a pretty good track record assessing the team in the past. The last time I felt this stupid (at least related to the Sox) was 1992, when Plantier tanked, Burks, Reed, Boggs and Roger had off-years, Jeff Gray had a stroke, Carlos Quintana got in a career-ending car-crash,Jeff Reardon lost it, and Butch Hobson turned out to be a dolt.

Gutch220 said...

Derek Jeter is better than Alex Gonzalez.

Jere said...

"Derek Jeter is better than Alex Gonzalez."

In Yankee fans' minds, no human being will ever match the godliness that is Jeter. You still call his errors "rare." The guy could lead the league in errors, and each one would be called a "rare Jeter error."

But pretend for a second that it is possible that he's not automatically the best baseball player in the history of the world. Check out other shortstops. Don't just assume that since he's the only one you watch regularly, that no one else is as good or even better.

This is like when I went to a Yankees-Sox game at the Stadium in May, and the Yankee fan I was with, after a fairly nice catch by Jeter, said "YOUR shortstop couldn't do that." And I saw in his eyes that HE believed it. He was in his own world, where it's impossible for anything to outdo Yankee greatness. Do you think he knew our shortstop's name, let alone that he would've made the same play in his sleep?

That's why 2004 proved to me that Yankee fans aren't arrogant becuase of anything their team did, they were just arrogant to begin with.

Gutch220 said...

wow, you got all of that from one phrase. I'm sure that Alex Gonzalez would even agree that...............Derek Jeter is better than Alex Gonzalez.

L-girl said...

Derek Jeter is better than Alex Gonzalez.

In what way? Cuter? Debatable. Taller? I think so. More visible in the media? Obviously.

Derek Jeter is an excellent player, there's little doubt of that. He gives his team much more than he subtracts. His offensive numbers are very, very good.

He isn't very good defensively. He never has been, but in the last couple of years, he's really not very good at all.

I don't *really* understand most Red Sox fans' loathing of Jeter, except that he is the face of the Yankees, and gets more than his fair share of adulation - but that's not his fault. (I hope no one will try to explain it to me, I've heard all the arguments, they are all a little bitter and silly, IMO.)

However Gutch, you should be able to see that he's not a very good shortstop. I mean, I was able to see that Mattingly sucked for his last couple of years as a Yankee, even though I loved him. Most Red Sox fans know that Trot has lost a step or two.

If you don't see that Alex Gonzalez is a better defensive shortstop than Derek Jeter, maybe you're not the "true baseball fan regardless of team" that you like to think you are.

Gutch220 said...

He isn't very good defensively. He never has been, but in the last couple of years, he's really not very good at all.

who won the American league gold glove award for shortstop the last two years?

Iain said...

It was a play that Gonzo would have gloved, worked through a couple of sudokus and still got his man at first.

Excellent line!

L-girl said...

who won the American league gold glove award for shortstop the last two years?

If you think Gold Glove awards accurately reflect the best defensive player, then I would say you really don't follow the game at all.

Was it Rafael Palmeiro who won a Gold Glove when he had been DH'ing all season?

Use your eyes Gutch. Watch the man play. I cheered for his team for most of my life, but come on, use your eyes man. He can barely move out there. He makes a nice jump pass, sure, but everything gets past him. Don't you notice that?

redsock said...

Up until a few years ago, Jeter ranked near the bottom (sometimes dead last) among all major league shortstop in fielding chances per nine innings. The way pitching staffs change through the years (and inJeter's case, it would be 96-97-98-99-01-01-02) fairly negates the likelihood of being on a staff with a lot of fly ball or ground ball pitchers.

He may have improved in recent years. I don't know for sure; I stoped checking the various stats.

He was also below average in "Zone Rating" -- the percentage of outs made on balls hit into his "area" of the field.

These metrics are not perfect, but they are the best we have in 2006. Obviously, fielding percentage is no good (it wasn't worth squat even back in 1876 -- are you listening, Remdawg?)

redsock said...

Let's look at 2006 stats from ESPN:

By the way, Gonzo has made 6 errors and Jeter has made 13, but I don't think that means much.

Among the 10 qualifying AL shortstops in Range Factor, Jeter (4.16) is last. Interestingly, Gonzalez (4.24) is only 8th. Jhonny Peralta is #1 (4.96).

In Zone Rating, Jeter moves up to 9th; Gonzalez is #2. Juan Uribe is #1.

redsock said...

Among 25 qualifying MLB shortstops in Range Factor, Gonzalez is #17 and Jeter is #20.

Jose Reyes of the Mets is last.

ESPN says Zone Rating is "the percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive 'zone'".

I always thought ZR was the % of balls in the zone that were turned into outs. That definition sounds like it could include errors also.

L-girl said...

It occurs to me that if the Joy Of Sox community turns into "nyah, nyah, Jeter's better, who won the Gold Glove" (etc.) it will be a damn shame. I should stop contributing to that de-evolution by not responding to such comments.

If everyone did that, perhaps those comments would go away.

Just a thought, not necessarily echoed by management.

redsock said...

Jeter will make $20,600,000 this year.

Gonzlaez will bring home $2,682,592.

Looking at value for $ -- admittedly, not a problem for the Yankees -- but is Jeter almost 10 times as valuable as Gonzalez?

I'd rather have Gonzalez and use the other $17 million for some bats.

L-girl said...

These metrics are not perfect, but they are the best we have in 2006.

Can't an infielder's ZR or RF be helped by having a better-than-average infielder near him? Two examples I can think of from Yankeeland - Tino Martinez helping Chuck Knoblauch look less awful, and Scott Brosius's excellent range helping Jeter. Seems to me Bill Mueller did that for Nomar, too.

I wonder how you would account for that, if at all

L-girl said...

is Jeter almost 10 times as valuable as Gonzalez?

He sells more tickets. But that's not a problem for the Red Sox, either.

redsock said...

I knew when I posted the comment that this is what would happen. It is as inevitable as the sun rising in the East.

It would be nice if every comment offered something substantial and moved the discussion forward, but I don't know how possible that is.

I try to type stuff somewhat more intelligent than "Ortiz Roools!" and I hope others do also.

It's been fine here. I've only had to delete some obnoxious comments that had nothing to do with baseball.

P.S. Ortiz does roool.

L-girl said...

Well, you are more tolerant than me.

Yes, there is someone even less tolerant than you!

redsock said...

Can't an infielder's ZR or RF be helped by having a better-than-average infielder near him? ... I wonder how you would account for that, if at all

It could be helped, but you could probably get a rough idea if it was by, in Jeter's case, looking at Slappy's rating. Other than that, I don't know if it can be helped. That's why it's not ideal.

With ZR, you are also relying on the STATS person to accurate measure the zone.

I do remember Tino having good range to his right. I don't if the Professional, with his creaky knees, helped Nosmarts that much.

(Damn, I miss those old nicknames-- the Napkin, the Thermos, Shrek, the Corpse, and my favorite, "Nomar Garciapopup".)

In Jeter's case, people have argued that having fly ball and strikeout pitchers will give him fewer ground ball chances. That is true. But looking at 11 years of data (hard to believe Jeter's been playing 11 years) will probably negate that one way or the other.

(Back in 1999 or 2000, I looked at the Yankee staffs and found that they had more groundball pitchers than average, making Jeter look even worse.)

And Wang is one of the most extreme ground ball pitcher in recent memory, so ...

L-girl said...

I don't if the Professional, with his creaky knees, helped Nosmarts that much.

We thought so at the time. We sometimes had Brosius vs Mueller "discussions".

redsock said...

"discussions"

Heh.

Jack Marshall said...

You guys are so darned CUTE!

Edward Lee said...

Yeah, but you have to watch Derek Jeter on a day-to-day basis in order to fully appreciate his fielding.

Oh, wait. Isn't that exactly what those indentured servants who keep all those advanced fielding statistics do?

L-girl said...

Yeah, but you have to watch Derek Jeter on a day-to-day basis in order to fully appreciate his fielding.

I did. Every game for about 8 years. That's how I know he's not very good.

L-girl said...

You guys are so darned CUTE!

Uh-oh.

It's purely unintentional.