June 2, 2009

G52: Red Sox 5, Tigers 1

Red Sox - 102 002 000 - 5  9  0
Tigers - 100 000 000 - 1 9 2
Dice (5-6-1-3-6, 96) pitched out of two serious jams and after a trio of Red Sox relievers tossed three perfect innings, Jonathan Papelbon needed 35 pitches to get through the ninth: three singles followed by three strikeouts.

Boston grabbed a 1-0 lead six pitches into the game. Dustin Pedroia doubled to left on a 1-0 pitch and scored when J.D. Drew singled to center on a 1-2 count. Dice walked Clete Thomas to start the home first and Placido Polanco singled. Magglio Ordonez GIDP, but Miguel Cabrera and Curtis Granderson singled. Dice struck out Brandon Inge for the third out.

The Red Sox took a 3-1 lead in the third when Drew singled and Bay smashed a one-out, two-run dong to left, his 16th tater of the year.

Matsuzaka walked the 8th and 9th hitters (on 16 pitches) to start the Detroit fifth, but struck out Thomas, got Polanco to line out to left and fanned Ordonez.

The Sox scored twice off relievers Ryan Perry and Brandon Lyon in the sixth on three walks, a single and a bases-loaded HBP.

Manny Delcarmen pitched a 1-2-3 sixth, Hideki Okajima retired the four batters he faced and Ramon Ramirez got the final two hitters in the eighth. In the ninth, Bot allowed a broken bat single to Cabrera (cbsb), a line drive single to left by Granderson (bbf) and a ground single to left by Inge (f). Bases loaded, no one out.

Josh Anderson battled through an 11-pitch at-bat (ffffbfffff), but chased a high fastball for strike three. Pinch-hitter Jeff Larish whiffed on an inside heater (bbff) and Ramon Santiago (bbcs) struck out on gas to end the game.

David Ortiz slapped an opposite-field single in the second inning, but grounded to first (a 3635 DP) to end the third and struck out in his last three at-bats. ... Jacoby Ellsbury reached base four times: an infield error, two singles and an intentional walk. ... Jason Varitek singled, doubled and walked.

***

Daisuke Matsuzaka (8.82, 55 ERA+) / Rick Porcello (3.48, 134 ERA+)

The Red Sox (29-22), who trail the Yankees (30-21) by one game, visit Comerica Park for three games against the AL Central-leading Tigers.

(New York hosts the Rangers, who are 4.5 GA of the Angels in the AL West. LAA is playing in Toronto.)

Last season, Dice held hitters to an MLB-best .164 average with runners in scoring position. Everyone knew the Houdini act could not last. In his four starts this year, hitters are batting .400 (10-for-25) with RISP. He has still pitched far better with the bases empty:
              PA    AVG   OBP   SLG    OPS
Runners On 47 .297 .413 .432 .845
Bases Empty 39 .472 .513 .889 1.402
Although he dropped Jacoby Ellsbury to the 8th spot in Sunday's lineup and led off with Dustin Pedroia and J.D. Drew, Terry Francona says any changes are not an attempt to jump-start the offense or based on a hunch:
I think that that goes against everything I believe in. I think the one thing I'm supposed to be is consistent and that goes against that. ... We are getting to the point where we're 50 games into the season and I think the numbers start meaning something. ... We need to have our on-base guys for the guys in the middle of the order. ... Sometimes when we don't score, you can look at a lot of things. It's a little easy to get mixed up, so I just try to sit back and think, "OK, what can help us?" without forgetting what can hurt us.
Tito also said "there is a pretty decent chance" Mark Kotsay (9-for-26 for the PawSox) would be activated tonight. Jeff Bailey likely would be sent back to Pawtucket.

MLB.com:
How does Porcello [a 6-5, 200 RHP] follow up a 5-0 May? Continuing the unbeaten streak into June would be an impressive step. In addition to being the first Tigers pitcher since John Doherty in 1984 to win five or more games in a month, the impressive rookie has posted a 1.50 ERA during his current five-game winning streak. According to Elias Sports Bureau, that makes Porcello -- at 20 years, 151 days old -- the second-youngest pitcher in Major League history to go 5-0 with an ERA of 1.50 or better in any five-start span (the Mets' Dwight Gooden went 5-0 with a 1.43 ERA in five starts at age 19 in 1984). ... He's worked seven innings only once in his nine starts, a clear sign that the Tigers will take a conservative approach and not overwork him.
BP 2009:
Porcello was universally seen as one of the top pitching prospects in the game before he threw a pitch as a professional, and in his pro debut, he led the Florida State League in ERA as a teenager. Yet, for some reason, his season was categorized by some as a disappointment, mostly due to a low strikeout rate. However, the Tigers limited him by only allowing a small number of breaking balls per start and had him focus on his low-90s sinker rather than his monster four-seam fastball. Despite this deliberate pair of handicaps, we repeat: he still led the league in ERA.
Porcello's highest pitch count total of the season has been 95; he's been between 82 and 89 in seven of his nine starts (log).

***

John Smoltz pitched five innings (5-4-1-0-6, 73) for Greenville (A) on Sunday, allowing one run on four hits to the Charleston RiverDogs. Smoltz struck out his final three batters.
I don't think I'm far away. Today was more a familiar pitching that I thought I was capable of the last month, two months. For the most part, I'm really pleased with today's effort. I felt really fresh in the fifth inning, even though it's the longest stint I've had.
Smoltz's next two starts are expected to be with Pawtucket.

Jon Lester was the first Boston lefty to strike out at least 12 batters while allowing three hits or fewer since Roger Moret (9-1-0-2-12) on August 21, 1974. All three of the hits allowed by Lester on Sunday were infield singles.

The Red Sox executed their first two sacrifice bunts of the season on Sunday; by contrast, Seattle has 26. ... Steve Buckley of the Herald checks in with Portland starter Junichi Tazawa (2.82 in 10 starts). ... In his June 1 mailbag, MLB.com's Ian Browne writes: "I could see [Jed Lowrie] being back in the lineup in about three weeks."

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Ish said...

And as for me I'm trying alcohol and deciding I don't like it. Still have a few more beers I'd like to try. Still like to try wine. Hard liquor I could do without even trying.

Jere said...

"I can't imagine being a vegetarian."

I couldn't either when I was eating meat at every meal basically from age 0 to 25. Then I stopped. It's easier than you think. I do believe that if I can do it, anyone can. If they want to and are able to health-wise or whatever.

Please note I said "if they want to," because vegetarians can't speak without lots of people jumping all over them and assuming we're trying to steal your brain and change the way it thinks. Thanking you in advance.

meuniermr said...

Beer is everything to me.

Jere said...

"Jere, I thought you have never drunk alcohol at all. Which is a totally fine choice, but then, you wouldn't know if you liked it or not. Your choice not to drink would not be because you don't like it, but based on something else, I assume."

L: I tried Miller High Life when I was three, and I didn't like it. And I've had my mouth close to alcoholic drinks, I mean, I used to take the champagne sip at weddings when younger, and all that stuff is disgusting to me. Granted, I haven't tried every beer, etc, but I certainly don't have any interest in that. As for other reasons why I don't drink, I could go on and on...

L-girl said...

I was a vegetarian for a few years. I didn't find it difficult, but I was very happy to go back to being an omnivore, and I'll never give it up again.

I do try to eat non-industrial-raised meat if at all possible.

And I do find, in my own experience, that vegetarians are evangelists and believe it's not just right for them, but for everyone. And are often very judgemental and self-righteous about it.

s1c said...

It is good Amy, Shady Glen brand. Tomorrow I'll be picking up the local farm ice cream, strawberry from Fish farms, mmm.

redsock said...

daniel baird?

Ish said...

And I like eating meat.

L-girl said...

Oops, crucial word left out:

Vegetarians are **often** very...

Benjamin said...

And I do find, in my own experience, that vegetarians are evangelists and believe it's not just right for them, but for everyone. And are often very judgemental and self-righteous about it.


You've basically described human beings, there.

L-girl said...

So Jere, based on what you wrote, it's safe to say you have virtually no experience with alcohol and don't know whether you like it or not.

As I said earlier, that's your choice, but it's not based on "I don't like it".

redsock said...

Related: Considering how easier it is to speak than type, I think JoS1 will be a very boisterous 20-seat section!

Jere said...

"And I like eating meat."

That's what I'm saying. I loved eating meat. Then certain things just kind of hit me and I stopped--it could happen to you... bewaaarrrrrre...ha

Benjamin said...

So Blogger fixed the italics line spacing thing while I've been awol?

Jere said...

": Considering how easier it is to speak than type,"

Not for me...

s1c said...

Nothing like a big thick T-bone, with scrambled eggs, big texas fries and a good cold st. pauli girl, followed by a nice irish coffee. MMM

Benjamin said...

The other thing about vegetarianism is it's much easier to do and much harder to avoid when your romantic partner is vegetarian.

Amy said...

I say eat what you want, drink what you want. Just let me do the same.

L-girl said...

I know lots of people who don't drink alcohol, some for religious reasons (Muslims), some because of alcoholism in their family, or their own alcoholism, or other reasons.

I'm very grateful I don't have to make that choice. I love drinking - I love altered states of all kinds. If only they didn't have negative consequences. Ah well.

Ish said...

For me the only way I'll drink alcohol is if the drink is very good. It has to taste good to me and that's that. If it doesn't taste good I won't drink it. It's amazing how many people drink alcohol and hate it, but keep drinking it because... it's thing to do. Or something.

Jere said...

L: I fully admit this: If there was an alcoholic drink I tried (not knowing it was alcohol, as that'd be the only way I'd try it), and I loved it more than anything I've ever tasted, and then found out it was alcoholic, I'd never drink it again.

It's the other stuff that keeps me from drinking it. But it is true that stuff I've smelled or taken tiny sips of disgust me. I love the smell of rum, though. If I drank, I'd be all over that shit.

redsock said...

I loved eating meat. Then certain things just kind of hit me and I stopped--it could happen to you... bewaaarrrrrre...

Hmmm, it sure sounds like you suddenly could wake up one day ready to serve the Lord.

bewaaarrrrrre....

Amy said...

Allan, I imagine it being harder to hear what everyone is saying! At least we can all read the comments and type our own without interrupting each other.

s1c said...

Would like to see some, ON FIRE!!! magic now.

L-girl said...

s1c, that meal sounds great, although I'd have a big glass of red wine instead of the st pauli's girl. although that is good beer for sure.

Ish said...

"I love altered states of all kinds. If only they didn't have negative consequences. Ah well."

See that's where I stray off the path. I don't like being drunk or buzzed. Well, a light buzz is okay with me. But I don't like the idea of something having control over me.

L-girl said...

". It's amazing how many people drink alcohol and hate it, but keep drinking it because... it's thing to do. Or something."

Wha??? People don't drink alcohol and hate it. It may be an acquired taste, but so are many things. Most of eat things we didn't like as kids.

Ish, trust me, people who drink don't hate the taste. We enjoy it.

Jere said...

"Nothing like a big thick T-bone, with scrambled eggs, big texas fries and a good cold st. pauli girl, followed by a nice irish coffee. MMM"

See, this is what I get every time. This has to be some kind of defense mechanism. All I said was that I don't eat meat. And every time it's "MMMM meat hahahahaha". What the hell? I didn't make fun of meat eaters and drinkers, I just said I'm not one. I even tried to be extra polite about it, but I get this every time.

s1c said...

L - not a big wine drinker, BH is the wine lover in this house. I usually only have wine when we are out on the town for dinner.

Jere said...

"Hmmm, it sure sounds like you suddenly could wake up one day ready to serve the Lord.

bewaaarrrrrre...."

You left out the key "ha" when quoting me.

Amy said...

Hey, we have the bases loaded, and we are talking about food and drink??

L-girl said...

"It's the other stuff that keeps me from drinking it."

Thanks, that was my point. I don't know what the other stuff is (it's not my business) but it's not the same as not liking vanilla ice cream so choosing chocolate.

Amy said...

I haven't eaten red meat since 1971. Most people are very respectful about it. I rarely get a hard time.

Youk drives in a run getting hit. Does that count as an RBI??

s1c said...

Youk gets plunked again. Geez

meuniermr said...

Getting it done the hard way!

L-girl said...

Jere, I don't think s1c's comment was directed at you. We often talk about the food and drink we love here.

redsock said...

i figure we'll all wear mics and i'll mix and edit and post a 3-hour mp3.

Benjamin said...

Youk drives in a run getting hit. Does that count as an RBI??

Yes.

s1c said...

So are we liking this new line up or what?

Ish said...

My uncle is an alcoholic. I don't think about it too much in relation to my own alcoholic consumption, but whatever I have I've adopted a sort of personal one-and-done policy. Special circumstances I would have another. I make it sound like alcohol is the devil but it's just my personal preference. I don't care what others do or how much they drink.

Just as long as they don't drive, of course.


Jere, I can certainly get behind that, about not wanting meat anymore. I've had that feeling about eating at certain places like the fast food joints. You find yourself thinking about things - something creeps into your mind and I can see it - you all of a sudden look at meat and think "Eww" or "No." Rather than "Mmmm."

L-girl said...

I can't imagine bothering anyone about being a vegetarian. I've never heard of that.

Jere said...

s1c: if you weren't saying that because of me, I apologize. I'm just saying, I always seem to get the reaction of "in your face! I love beer and meat!" when all I did was basically answer the questions that person asked me.

s1c said...

Jere - wasn't really directed at you.

meuniermr said...

I'm drinking Victory Golden Monkey right now... a cross between a Tripel and a Saison.

Jere said...

I don't go around saying I don't drink/eat meat. It only comes up when someone asks, or tries to serve me one of those things. And it always seems to be the same reaction. I should just say "no thanks" to avoid the topic altogether.

L-girl said...

I'm drinking pinot noir. My beverage of choice for couch + baseball.

Amy said...

"i figure we'll all wear mics and i'll mix and edit and post a 3-hour mp3."

Truly ROFL.

And I am glad to see DiceK out of the game. Imagine --- he might get a W tonight.

Ish said...

"Ish, trust me, people who drink don't hate the taste. We enjoy it."

I didn't mean to generalize - I talk about the fact that there are a lot of people out there (especially younger people) who don't like the taste but they are drinking it because it has alcohol in it. And they want to get drunk.

L-girl said...

"I don't go around saying I don't drink/eat meat. "

How can that be true, if we all know this about you, and we've never eaten a meal with you?

Benjamin said...

I can't imagine bothering anyone about being a vegetarian. I've never heard of that.

Meat eaters often find vegetarianism to be a personal condemnation of their lifestyle.

Also people bother anyone about everything, whether it's religion, sexuality, or anything.

Ish said...

Maybe Dice-K will pitch JoS1 and all of the conversation will be magnified.

Jere said...

"people out there (especially younger people) who don't like the taste but they are drinking it because it has alcohol in it. And they want to get drunk."

I see that too. A friend of mine took up hard drinking after being straight edge forever and said to me, "believe me, it's not because of the taste."

johngoldfine said...

I kept walking through sheep pasture in Wales last week--and vowing to give up meat when I saw the lambs--but then in the pubs a few hours later I was all lamb chops and a nice hoppy IPA....

s1c said...

I love fresh vegetables, and around here in summer time a meal in this house will be a mixed salad, with corn on the cob, sliced tomatoes.

The navy made me appreciate fresh vegetables, so summer time we are always hitting the local farm stands and loading up on the veggies.

L-girl said...

Ok Ish, I see what you mean. I guess I don't think wanting to get drunk is a bad thing, as long as you're not about to drive or taking care of a baby or something.

I like to experience as much of life as I possibly can, and getting high or drunk has been part of that. It's fun, it doesn't hurt anyone, so why not.

I've hurt myself a few times, but that's part of life, too. Makes for good stories. :)

Jere said...

""I don't go around saying I don't drink/eat meat. "

How can that be true, if we all know this about you, and we've never eaten a meal with you?"

Because it's come up in conversation.

Amy said...

I drink wine, but in the past few years have found that it really disturbs my sleep if I have more than one glass. I really like a good beer, but rarely drink more than two of those because they make me so full. Now give me a good cosmo, light on the cranberry juice, and I am very happy. I love the taste and the buzz. And I sleep just fine.

L-girl said...

JohnGF, I know what you mean! What's cuter than a little lamb... but what's tastier?! :)

Jere said...

"Meat eaters often find vegetarianism to be a personal condemnation of their lifestyle."

Thank you Benjamin. That's what I feel like meat eaters are thinking when I tell them I"m a veg. Again, using the word "often," if not just "sometimes."

L-girl said...

Amy, me too. It's very common as we age - alcohol causing sleep disturbances. I have to really watch it now. Two glasses of wine, fine. Three glasses, sleep problems.

Amy said...

johngoldfine, it was just that---the sight of lambs---that led me to stop eating meat. I have no strong moral feeling about it, just an emotional reaction.

I do eat fish and poultry, though. Just don't find those species too loveable.

s1c said...

ugh, cranberry juice, no cosmos for me

Amy said...

Yeah, what is it in wine that affects sleep? Why can I drink beer or vodka without that result (unless I have really overdone it, but that is different)?

Ish said...

I also love [most] fresh vegetables. And for the most part I do not like cooked vegetables. Exceptions are potatoes and corn on the cob.

I'm drinking a Boylan's ginger ale. My favorite drink, I think. (I just noticed my Linux computer doesn't like "favorite" and instead wants me to spell is as "favourite"! I love it.)

I have discovered sparkling apple-pomegranate made by Kristian Regale. Very fresh and flavorful taste.

Amy said...

S1C, for me a day without cranberry juice is a sad day. It's the first thing I taste almost every morning (besides water and toothpaste).

s1c said...

Fish is ok, I grew up on bass, trout and catfish. Poultry, absolutely hate it (One of my grandfathers raised chickens).

L-girl said...

"Also people bother anyone about everything, whether it's religion, sexuality, or anything."

That's certainly true. The best thing about getting older has been people no long bothering me about not having kids. So I get that.

In my own experience, though, vegetarians bother omnivores way more than the other way around. Perhaps my experience is unusual, but I doubt it.

Jere said...

"I do eat fish and poultry, though. Just don't find those species too loveable."

Laura: see?! Haven't I tried to bring this up? That I feel people don't mind eating animals the less cute/loveable they are? Amy, that's your choice, my girlfriend also eats fish, claims they don't feel pain, etc. I'm just saying, it seems weird to me to feel bad about eating one but another less lovable one is okay. Oh man, I feel like this is finally gonna get to the usual ugly level that this conversation leads to.

johngoldfine said...

Amy--as I walked I kept reciting Blake's 'Little Lamb Who Made Thee....' My vows on the hill didn't seem to carry much weight in the pub.

I've pretty much given up meat at home because I cook every night, going on 41 years, for a vegetarian.

Jere said...

Boylan's rules!

Benjamin said...

Yeah, what is it in wine that affects sleep? Why can I drink beer or vodka without that result (unless I have really overdone it, but that is different)?

Maybe the sulfites? Probably just the overall quantity of alcohol, though.

Jere said...

NYY 12, TEXAS effin RGERS 3

Amy said...

TEK!! Two hits.

L-girl said...

"Laura: see?!"

Nope. Sorry. I don't.

To each her own. Amy eats some animals and not others. You eat none. I used to eat none, now eat all, with a few exceptions. Each to her own.

johngoldfine said...

Amy--my son saw a trussed turkey at Tgiving when he was 5 or 6, and that was pretty much it for him and meat--going on 30 years now.

Jere said...

Yeah but I mean you said once that you've never heard of that excuse for eating an animal. I think.

Benjamin said...

In my own experience, though, vegetarians bother omnivores way more than the other way around. Perhaps my experience is unusual, but I doubt it.

That's odd. Maybe you weren't a vegetarian long enough.

Ever get bugged for being Jewish because you couldn't come to school or work on some holiday? It's a bit like that, but with catered luncheons.

Amy said...

I have never tried to convince anyone to eat or not eat anything, and I have never taken the view that what I eat or don't eat makes me a better or smarter person. Like I said, I am not doing what I do for moral reasons or health reasons. It's just what I do. So if my reason is that cows and lambs are cuter than fish, who the hell cares??

s1c said...

Sock - did you read shermans column today in the post.
Teixerira deal gives yankees ko over Sox
. You'll have to remember that for the next shadenfrude

L-girl said...

No, I did not say that. I wouldn't have said that, since I have heard it many times.

Ish said...

Jere I get pissed off when I see people fishing. I won't get angry at them but it just strikes a chord in my mind, whether the fish feel pain or not.

And yet, I still eat meat (not fish). I understand what happens and what I'm eating but I also understand all of the other species in the animal kingdom who eat other animals. I prefer not to think about it very much. It's a strange feeling because I do not like fishing and I do not like hunting and I don't like watching it.

L-girl said...

"That's odd. Maybe you weren't a vegetarian long enough."

It wasn't so odd. Most of my vegetarian friends don't complain about this either.

I didn't proselytize about it. Perhaps that was why.

"Ever get bugged for being Jewish because you couldn't come to school or work on some holiday?"

Nope.

johngoldfine said...

Benjamin--my wife and son are constantly meeting meateater incomprehension: 'I just put in a little pork for flavoring;" "You can just pick out the meat; "We fried it with a little bacon fat--is that ok?"

redsock said...

I DON'T TRUST JEEMER----WE ARE NOT AHEAD BY 53 RUNS!!!!!!!!

Jere said...

L: Okay, I just wanted to be clear about that then. I thought you said that on a conversation on your blog we had but I guess I was wrong.

"So if my reason is that cows and lambs are cuter than fish, who the hell cares??"

Well here's the thing. I think if a person hears another person's reasoning (about anything) it should be okay to then discuss that. To answer your question, the animal getting killed so you can eat it cares. And I am trying to defend it, which I am allowed to do, without forcing you to do anything. You don't even have to read this if you don't want to.

Amy said...

So JGF you are the only meat eater in your house?

Harvey eats red meat, and so do my kids. I even try to cook the stuff occasionally for them, but since I don't taste it, I don't think I cook it well. I used to make hamburgers and hot dogs, but I have never cooked a roast or a veal or pork or lamb chop. Harvey gets his red meat elsewhere---like a nice kosher deli in NYC.

s1c said...

Part of the meat thing I think just depends on how you were raised. My mom was a ranchers daughter, my dad's father had a farm and was a butcher, so I grew up around the animals and when I was like 10 we moved onto a farm so I grew up hunting and fishing. If we didn't grow it or kill it we didn't eat. But then again, where I grew up almost everyone hunted and fished (It was an excused absence in my high school when deer season opened).

redsock said...

You don't even have to read this if you don't want to.

Oh sure, put this as the *last* sentence.

johngoldfine said...

Amy, me: carnivore. My wife has been a vegetarian most of our marriage, my son as I described; my daughter will eat whatever is on the menu, pricier the better.

Ish said...

Amy my sister said the exact same thing about red meat just yesterday. She said, "Yes! I cooked a hamburger for [boyfriend] and I didn't kill it!" She doesn't eat red meat (she used to be vegetarian, then vegan, then vegetarian, then no red meat) so it was the same way with her.

Jere said...

But s1c, still, most vegetarians I know just chose it one day. Since most people in this culture were raised meat-eaters, it pretty much has to be that most vegetarians used to eat meat. I could be wrong. I was brought up by people who didn't know you could live without meat, and around classmates who all were that way, too. Then I just stopped.

L-girl said...

A lot of it does depend on culture, as s1c says. I know so many vegetarians, it's so normalized in the circles I travel in, that it's hard for me to imagine anyone making anything of it at all.

Whereas the comments JohnGoldfine is referring to would be maddening to deal with.

Jere said...

Eck being LeBron. Doing a task then claiming how great it was.

L-girl said...

I think it's that conversion that Jere is talking about that makes so many vegetarians proselytize. Converts are often zealots.

Ish said...

Amazing how different we all are, though. How some of us hunt and fish and love it. Some of us don't eat meat. Some eat all meat but red meat. Some of us will drink alcohol even if we hate it. Some of us will eat the most expensive item on the menu even if we don't like it. We have some amazing quirks. Just about anything you can think of, someone does it. It just is.

Jere said...

And I do respect the "only eat what I kill with my hands lifestyle." But I still hate Ted Nugent!

Except for a coupla riffs.

9casey said...

Burgers and Booze , I missing a good one....

Amy said...

S1C, that's sort of how I made the initial choice about not eating meat. I met a guy who said that he had decided that if he could not kill an animal, he should not eat it and make someone else kill it. He was working on a farm at the time. That thought stuck with me, and so when I saw a lamb soon after, I said, "No way I could kill that."

To be honest, I did not eliminate chicken and turkey mostly to keep some protein in my diet and to make my mother's life a little easier (I was 19 at the time).

As for fish, I would have no trouble catching a fish (sorry, Ish), though the actually killing might be harder. After all, I once cried after steaming clams (in my pre-kosher days) and couldn't eat them.

So call me inconsistent. I have been called a lot worse.

L-girl said...

"If we didn't grow it or kill it we didn't eat."

How healthy the world would be if we all lived this way. (Which we could not, and I'm not suggesting we could.)

Many people in Canada's north still do. You eat meat if you kill it, if not you don't. I envy that in a way.

Ish said...

I wonder if we changed the name of beef and steak to cow and changed pork to pig, if more people would stop eating it.

redsock said...

why is eck obsessed with HR? the sox at comerica woulds rock -- a super-fuckload of doubles, triples from a few guys, it would be fun!

Jere said...

"Amazing how different we all are, though. How some of us hunt and fish and love it. Some of us don't eat meat. Some eat all meat but red meat. Some of us will drink alcohol even if we hate it. Some of us will eat the most expensive item on the menu even if we don't like it. We have some amazing quirks. Just about anything you can think of, someone does it. It just is."

Wasn't this the end of Mrs. Doubtfire? :)

L-girl said...

No one is completely consistent. Consistency in of itself is a worthless goal, I think.

Benjamin said...

My partner was born into a vegetarian family. If we had kids, they would be too.

s1c said...

Ish, I grew up hunting and fishing but I have not done either one since 1981 and the last time I shot a gun was in 87.

Ish said...

Some of us like sports, some of us don't. Some of us are blue collar and some of us are white collar. Some of us are no collar! :) Everyone and everything and everything and everyone. And anyone and anything. Just about.

johngoldfine said...

There's a nice portrait in 'American Pastoral' of a deranged young woman who is starving because she realizes that everything she eats puts a demand on the planet.

9casey said...

L-girl said...
No one is completely consistent. Consistency in of itself is a worthless goal, I think.


Amen, I'm gonna use that...

L-girl said...

diversity, coexistence, what a concept

Amy said...

Is anyone else having delays with blogger posting comments, or is it my computer?

9casey said...

Ish said...
Some of us like sports, some of us don't. Some of us are blue collar and some of us are white collar. Some of us are no collar! :) Everyone and everything and everything and everyone. And anyone and anything. Just about.


Is that Dr. Seuss?

redsock said...

likewise. i did plenty of deer and duck hunting and fishing with my father until my parents split up (i was 14 or so). i have had no desire to do it since then -- but i have no problem with it.

L-girl said...

JohnGF, I was thinking of that book!! I didn't know how to summarize it as well as you did. She won't bathe, either, IIRC.

It was very sad and horrifying.

redsock said...

Consistency in of itself is a worthless goal, I think.

Don't tell Joe Morgan.

Benjamin said...

Consistency in of itself is a worthless goal, I think.

Nah. You're excluding an enormous middle between zealotry and abject apathy.

s1c said...

Dr. Seuss, at one of the award dinners last week one of the students read a dr. seuss book for her presentation (the things you'll do?)

Ish said...

I shoot a BB gun here and there.


I was watching Band of Brothers last night and the character who was narrating had just finished D-Day in Normandy and said he prayed and promised God and himself that if he ever made it out of the war, he would buy a quiet piece of land and live the rest of his life in peace.

Thought it was very powerful. I couldn't imagine ever fighting in a war.

L-girl said...

"Consistency in of itself is a worthless goal, I think.

Nah. You're excluding an enormous middle between zealotry and abject apathy."

I don't get the connection between these two. There is a huge middle ground between these two - but I still think consistency for its own sake is worthless.

redsock said...

hunting can be done with ethics -- my father had a true respect for wildlife and a serious disgust for hunters he referred to as "cowboys".

hunting seems more humane than fishing. death comes quicker.

redsock said...

why the hell didn't eck and DO know that jeemer would face the LHB and that would be it?

fuckin A

L-girl said...

People use consistency as a weapon. For example, I "can't" be against wearing fur if I eat meat. Amy "can't" give up red meat but not chicken. Why not? Do what feels right.

9casey said...

redsock said...
why the hell didn't eck and DO know that jeemer would face the LHB and that would be it



Why has become a LH specialust?

Amy said...

I am sure hunting can be done ethically. In fact, when I see all the poor deer wandering into suburban lawns starving or being killed on highways, I think that hunting may be the more humane thing to do to control overpopulation.

But I just know that I myself could not do it.

Ish said...

I still think Okajima's better against righties.

johngoldfine said...

Dunno, redsock--lots of wounded deer wander off to die. On the other hand, it's nasty to see a stringer of fish, none quite dead, dragging behind a boat. I snap their necks, gut them, and keep them on ice.

L-girl said...

I wouldn't mind hunting if the deer had some way of shooting back.

s1c said...

Sock - It depends on why you are doing the hunting I think. Some people that I know, they see it as Macho type of thing, and are after the trophy! Way I was brought up, if you wouldn't eat it, you didn't shoot it.

9casey said...

L-girl said...
People use consistency as a weapon. For example, I "can't" be against wearing fur if I eat meat. Amy "can't" give up red meat but not chicken. Why not? Do what feels right.



My thing, is never tell people when you are quitting smoking or drinking or anything...that way they can never call you on it...and consistency is only measured by others not always yourself.....

Ish said...

Amy I'm right there with you. Population control is a necessary but I'm not going to do it.

In Maine there is a moose hunting lottery where only so many permits are given out in the hunting season to moose hunters. This summer there might be an "emergency moose hunt" because the population is higher than they'd like.

Ish said...

I think of fishing where people will stick a hook through a fish's mouth, bring it out of the water, show it to everyone and then put it back.

9casey said...

Ish said...
an "emergency moose hunt" because the population is higher than they'd like.



wow, we should do that for rapist and child molesters.....

L-girl said...

Allan says he can't keep commenting because his computer is so annoyingly slow.

johngoldfine said...

Ish, the big emergency is with Maine fish and game dept budgets--the moose are an 'untapped revenue stream,' not to go all Thoreau on you.

Ish said...

I wanted to say is necessary. Or a necessity. Not a hybrid! Haha.

Benjamin said...

They should try giving the moose birth control.

Two words: moose condoms.

Amy said...

OK, so it isn't just me. I keep getting hung up when posting comments. Otherwise, it seems ok. Is that what is happening to Allan?

Ish said...

JGF, thanks for the info. Interesting way to fix a budget shortfall.

Amy said...

Ninth inning. Huh. I missed a lot of this game while reading and typing.

Amy said...

Was that Papi's third consecutive K?

L-girl said...

No Amy, Allan always has this, it's not a blogger thing. He has GDGD up, he's scoring, there's too much going on for him to read and type as much as we do.

Amy said...

Hmm, comments moving more quickly now.

9casey said...

Fuckin' Papi.....he's lost.....

meuniermr said...

Ortiz has got to go.. Even Dunn won't strike out as much.

meuniermr said...

I don't get why Jeff Natale hasn't been called up to see if he can hit in the bigs.

Amy said...

OK, so maybe it was just me. Time to clear the cache or something (though I thought Firefox did that automatically).

Ish said...

BOT.

L-girl said...

There's been experiments with deer and rabbit birth control.

It's awful - humans kill the natural predators, take all the land - then complain when we're overrun by deer. Horrible.

s1c said...

At 52 dollars for a moose fee, it isn't that big of a revenue stream

meuniermr said...

Paps in a non-save situation, I bet he makes it one..

Benjamin said...

Sadly, at 1-5 on the night, Papi raised his average.

9casey said...

meuniermr said...
Paps in a non-save situation, I bet he makes it one..



did they change the rules?

L-girl said...

"Ortiz has got to go"

Think this through. Even if I agreed with you (which I don't), who would want him right now? Is there a GM who has been on Mars this season?

s1c said...

Eck - A FB down and away

DO - Missing it outside

Me - and about two feet high

johngoldfine said...

s1c--deciding on carrying capacity is always a bit of a game because doing nothing is ultimately a way to reintroduce eventual equilibrium. There are calls for more permits whenever there is a spate of moose/car collisions--

Maine F & W is trying to get away from dependence on fees but is not there yet, so every moose application counts--and, never forget, not all applicants get permits, though all pay an application fee.

redsock said...

1st hit for the tigers since the 4th.

s1c said...

Lots of talk lately on WEEI about sending Papi down to PawSox for a rehab assignment. Will be interesting to see what happens next two weeks.

Amy said...

And I continue to miss the old Bot. Who is this guy who gives up all these hits and walks?

Kevin said...

Um Bot, what is with the lack of, um, botness?

redsock said...

we did our deer hunting in maine, though it was in the late 70s or so.

s1c said...

Man he is missing wildly.

Benjamin said...

Fucking hell.

s1c said...

Fragging kidding me.

Amy said...

OMG, I don't care what you eternal optimists say, this is NOT the same pitcher. I don't care how many fucking saves he has.

meuniermr said...

I told you so, NEVER bring in a closer in a non-save situation.
/Francoma

Kevin said...

Well, this has the potential for a massive amount of suck.

redsock said...

WHERE IS BARD?!?!?!?!??!11???

L-girl said...

geez bot. so unbotlike.

L-girl said...

make like houdini

Ish said...

In order to see Bard you gotta see a blown save.

s1c said...

That is why he is struggling, those landmark wins are always hard to get.

L-girl said...

It's not about being an optimist, Amy. I thought/think you exaggerate his problems. Obviously not tonight, tho.

meuniermr said...

"Think this through. Even if I agreed with you (which I don't), who would want him right now? Is there a GM who has been on Mars this season?"

I say, say he has the swine flu and send him on a rehab assignment at Pawtucket. If he still can't get his stuff back after that I would cut him.

redsock said...

his motion looks different

L-girl said...

OK everyone take a deep breath. No runs have scored yet and we are up by 4.

Breathe.

meuniermr said...

Where is Saito??

Benjamin said...

20 pitches and no outs.

s1c said...

Fragging throw him the split bot.

redsock said...

sets at his letters --

i thought he was a bit more sidearmy, but maybe not.

meuniermr said...

foul foul foul foul foul....

L-girl said...

i can't believe there are no outs

s1c said...

The thing is, he can't get him out on the fb, so throw the fragging split.

redsock said...

keep calling the fb tek. dont mix it up at all

meuniermr said...

We need to bring in someone else just to save Pap's arm..

Benjamin said...

Finally. Sit.

L-girl said...

hallefuckinglujah

s1c said...

Sit (he missed his spot again)

Amy said...

Wow, that was one torturous at bats. How many pitches?

Ish said...

Larish PHing for Laird. Heh.

Kevin said...

One out.

DP, K, or pop-up would be great here.

L-girl said...

teflon tek, takes no blame for this, of course.

redsock said...

11 for the K

s1c said...

Amy - 11 pitches to anderson, 27 overall.

Amy said...

Eleven, huh? Felt like 110.

Benjamin said...

Sit.

L-girl said...

Ha! 2 down. Watch him get out of this w/o allowing a single run.

s1c said...

Sit on the belt high FB (just like Eck wanted).

redsock said...

Bot Being Dice?

Kevin said...

One more

L-girl said...

Bot sure ended our non-baseball conversation fast!

Amy said...

Bot being Dice is worse than Dice being Dice...

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