Red Sox - 220 500 100 - 10 16 0That is not a typo.
Orioles - 001 000 55x - 11 16 1
Who could have guessed when the rain was falling in the middle of the fifth with Boston up 9-1 we should have wished the game would have been wiped out?
As surprising and annoying as this one was, it's still only one loss -- and we come right back with Josh Beckett tomorrow afternoon.
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Playing ball again after a 1:11 delay. Masterson in.
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Rain delay at 8:36 at end of top of fifth. Baltimore needs to finish the bottom half for the game to be official.
So far, the Red Sox bats have been raining down hurt on the Orioles:
Lugo: 2 hits, 2 runsSmoltz: 4-3-1-1-2, 52.
Pedroia: 2-run double
Yook: HR, double, single, 3 RBI, 2 runs
Ortiz: double, RBI single
Ellsbury: RBI single and solo HR (moon shot crushed to rcf)
Bailey: single, 2 runs
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UPDATE: It turns out the Red Sox will not wait until Thursday before making a decision about Mike Lowell. The team put Lowell on the 15-day disabled list today (retroactive to June 28) and called up Jeff Bailey.
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John Smoltz (9.00, 51 ERA+) / Rich Hill (6.03, 75 ERA+)
Look for more fastballs tonight from John Smoltz. John Farrell:
It could have been that it was his first time back and he didn't know what to expect velocity-wise. I'd like to see the ability to pitch off his fastball more.In addition to giving Mike Lowell an injection of Synvisc in his right hip*, the Red Sox medical staff drained 15 ccs of fluid from the area. Lowell could return to the lineup as soon as Friday, but, as Terry Francona said, "the worst-case scenario, he goes on the DL just to buy us a couple of weeks where he can get a second wind for the second part of the season."
(*: If Lowell could not play without getting this injection, wouldn't it qualify (broadly-speaking) as a performance-enhancing drug? Of course, this drug is legal and allowed by MLB. But it clearly helps the player better perform his job. And if Lowell's hitting and fielding are superior having had the injection, hasn't his performance been enhanced?) Am I totally off-base?
Lowell:
If I don't have a big improvement in mobility and flexibility and all of that I have to believe their going to think of something DL-wise, but if I feel really good I might play Friday. So Thursday is probably the day we chart what's going on.Francona said that Jacoby Ellsbury could be back in the leadoff spot "in the future", but for now J.D. Drew and Dustin Pedroia "are our two best on-base guys and since Ellsbury's been hitting seventh, he's just been (doing great), and we've been playing great baseball."
Drew, on his eighth-inning at-bat last night:
There's not a player alive who wouldn't know he needed a double for the cycle in that situation. I was trying to hit a double. [And how do you do that?] I don't know ... I was just going to hit the ball and run straight to second.Jonathan Papelbon recorded his 132nd save last night, tying Bob Stanley for the Red Sox's all-time mark. Bot again expressed his awe for Mariano Rivera and his latest milestone:
A (four)-out save for 500 is pretty neat. And an RBI. That's the icing on the cake. Just seeing what Mo did is absolutely incredible. ... He's "The Godfather" of our role ... You're talking about a guy who has 500 saves and has been through countless postseasons. When you're just aching day in and day out -- I don't know, man. ...Steve Buckley notes that "when Rivera was Papelbon's age, he had 84 career saves". That was 11 years ago. Can Papelbon still be closing games in 2020, at age 39?
Jason Bay is 1-for-13 in his past three games.
Orioles starter Hill has been highly erratic this season and hasn't completed five innings in four of his last six starts.
444 comments:
1 – 200 of 444 Newer› Newest»Would Synvisc help a normal, healthy player improve his game? If it would, then I agree with you. But if it's an injection that helps a player specifically overcome an injury, then Synvisc is no different than Advil.
If Lowell could not play without getting this injection, wouldn't it qualify (broadly-speaking) as a performance-enhancing drug? Of course, this drug is legal and allowed by MLB. But it clearly helps the player better perform his job. And if Lowell's hitting and fielding are superior having had the injection, hasn't his performance been enhanced?) Am I totally off-base?
That was my first thought when I read about the shots. Like any sort of prohibition (not just drugs) the lines can get pretty damn blurry at times. Does MLB have a specific definition of "performance-enhancing"?
Re: Lowell's use of Synvisc. I think it is a little off-base to conflate his use of it to the use of illegal PEDs generally. It's one thing to use a legal prescription drug to return to normal functioning. It's another to use illegal and potentially harmful drugs to enhance a healthy player, thereby creating a situation in which other healthy players are competitively disadvantaged unless they use PEDs.
No doubt the line drawn is not straight, deep, or immovable over time. But I think most people see a difference here.
However, if healthy players began to use Synvisc, without being injured or having a prescription, in order to leg out throws to first, up their percentage chance of stealing second, or turn doubles into triples, then I think many would say that this is ethically problematic.
If Lowell could not play without getting this injection, wouldn't it qualify (broadly-speaking) as a performance-enhancing drug? Of course, this drug is legal and allowed by MLB. But it clearly helps the player better perform his job. And if Lowell's hitting and fielding are superior having had the injection, hasn't his performance been enhanced?) Am I totally off-base?
No more than with cortisone shots, unless it's being administered to healthy hips to achieve a sort of super-healthiness. On some level, all medical treatments allow patients to perform better than they could without the treatment.
MLB.com reports Lowell has been placed on the 15-day DL.
Synvisc is in no way performing enhancing. As commenter Matt points out, it's no different than Advil or (more commonly) a cortisone injection.
If your body is producing a normal amount of joint fluid, and you used synvisc, you'd end up with a bloated joint that needed to be drained.
I know this from my own arthritis.
Or: what Benjamin said.
There's a very clear line between treating pain and restoring range of motion and performance-enhancing.
And since this is a gamethread: I'm missing tonight's game to attend an informational meeting in support of striking Toronto city workers. See you all later and/or tomorrow (Canada Day).
But the drug is interfering in the (non-) function of Mike Lowell's particular joints and giving him assistance in playing.
I was going to cut the paragraph and think more about it, but then decided what the hell, put it in ... and risk sounding like an idiot.
It's one thing to use a legal prescription drug to return to normal functioning. It's another to use illegal and potentially harmful drugs to enhance a healthy player...
It may be "normal functioning", but it's not Mike Lowell's normal state of functioning. If it was, he wouldn't need the shot in the first place.
Also: One of my poorly-presented (or non-existent) points was that there is a wide range of things players do/take to help them play the game better. Some of them are legal and some are illegal. Some things that are legal in baseball are illegal in other sports or the Olympics. Why? (I need to read more about this.)
Also, overusing a legal drug can be potentially harmful, too.
What the fucking fuck, Tito?
1. Julio Lugo, SS
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. Kevin Youkilis, 3B
4. Jason Bay, LF
5. David Ortiz, DH
6. Jason Varitek, C
7. Rocco Baldelli, RF
8. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
9. Jeff Bailey, 1B
Shit. Either flip LBJ and SW or just dump Lugo at the bottom and run the lineup from #s 2-1.
Shit. Either flip LBJ and SW or just dump Lugo at the bottom and run the lineup from #s 2-1.
I smell a Lugo 3-4 night. Although with 2 errors at SS.
But would've been a better word than 'although'...
Poor pitcher for the other team, questionable one for ours means it's the day to rest some people...and put out a shitty lineup?
Here's a take on the drug question:
At first glance, Red Sock's question raises a good point. Often we hear that the advantage, even the main advantage, of steroids is that they help a player recover from injury. Isn't that what Synvic is supposedly doing for Mike Lowell?
There is a continuum among training, medication, and PEDs. All are designed to enhance performance. The question is where along that continuum we consider the substance or technique unethical.
The ethical line between a legal drug and an illegal drug doesn't have so much to do with its effects. It has to do with the harm the drug can cause and the tendency of people to be unable to stop using it despite the harm. I don't want to comment here on whether or not ethical lines commonly drawn between recreational drugs are correct or not, but steroids are illegal because a player can trade their long-term health for short-term recovery and performance enhancement. It's something like selling your soul to the Devil, and if that sounds like a joke, ask Lyle Alzado or Ken Caminiti.
Maybe Red Sock would go far enough to say that people should be able to make that choice. It's the ultimate individual rights argument: those who choose to stay "clean" should enjoy their rewards by having a healthy and long retirement, and leave those who abused themselves to gloat over their trophies in pain and discomfort.
The fact is, when society declares a drug to be harmful and addictive, it invades the individual's right to fuck himself up by making the drug illegal. So that's what baseball's doing when it outlaws steroids: protecting the greedy athlete from himself.
The continuum was what I was hinting it.
It has to do with the harm the drug can cause and the tendency of people to be unable to stop using it despite the harm.
Then this beer I am drinking should *definitely* be illegal.
Not like it never crossed anyone's mind!
HGH is a great example of a substance being used to speed up recovery.
If we're banning things because of health risks, shouldn't we be eliminating professional football, rugby, and boxing entirely before we even think about starting on PEDs in baseball?
(I know, the "we" who has the power to do the one isn't the same as the "we" who has the power to do the other.)
I'm so glad to be playing the AL East again.
Don/Eck in my house!
Lugo: 7-for-last-14!
He's the man!!!!!! Go!
lugo says fuck everyone!
My faith in that guy fucking up is so strong, I fully expect him to get caught stealing.
getting picked off is his usual m.o.
take that! hit and steal!
Again, Lugo with the FU.
SULTAN OF SWEAT!!!!!!!!!
Sweaty dong!
Youk with his own FU.
that replay -- i think he caught it and then the glove fell off!!
He is the Sultan...
He is the Sultan of SWEAT.
Youk: weak lineup? Fuck that!
I couldn't quite see it, but I was wondering about that. If he clamped his hand shut w/o the ball, I could see him still holding it, even with that hit. I could imagine the ball ripping the glove right off.
maybe his collision jarred it off, if it was loosely on as he leapt.
would really like to see a few more replays of it.
Papi 1/2 dong!
FLO!
That guy is back to being the large father.
if people can get their shoes knocked off, I imagine a glove cold surely go, but it'd be cool to see whether there was ball contact.
It looked like, from the replay I saw, that the ball hit his glove and took it off.
along with the impact to the wall.
yeah, smoltz's stats against the orioles in his career is important to mention tonight.
lugo's OBP is higher than markakis's
me likey this smoltz
I'm beginning to see why people were excited about this guy.
Now that's a first inning. As long as the O's don't hit any grounders to SS, we'll be cool.
last night with lester, lately with beckett, at several games in the last few weeks, it has felt like we are simply gonna roll through the year and dominate in october. it looks easy -- inevitable, as someone might put it.
now smoltz looks like he's ready to deal. ... fuckin' a!
Fuck yeah LOVE THE FUCKING RED SOX!
/Nix
welcome back, gumball
tito considered gumball as leadoff?
huh.
not-so-secret weapon!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess I would take Lugo over Gumball.
the name is Yeah.
Fuck Yeah.
Dustin "Fuck Yeah" Pedroia
lovable lugo with the wheels to score from first.
shatner about to send hill to the transporter room.
Psst. Smoltz is awesomeing right now.
flipped over to the mfy game. they were showing fruitbat walking and getting his first RBI. showed the mfy dugout and on ball 4, slappy started jumping up and down like a maniac with his arms about his head. just more "look at me behaviour".
Just noticed the Sea Dogs game I'm going to on Thursday night will be shown live on NESN!
i wish i could see those minor league games.
bay fails and does not high 5 anyone
Anyone remember when our last outfield assist was?
Hi, everyone. So Smoltz is smoking, I gather?
Amy, a little hiccup in the 3rd but other than that, yes. Smoking.
couple of hard hit balls last inning, including pie's rbi triple.
the bats are rolling though, led by lugo (sort of)!
LBJ!
DAMN
moon shot from lyndon
Lyndon LASER SHOW.
Pie??
If only Laura could be with us today to experience this moment.
tired cheese = salad
What about tired gas?
Eck: "not even close".
Drink.
I drink when Eck says, "I gotta have that one."
Fruitbat threw out the first pitch of the game tonight.
Posada came out a couple of steps from home plate. 'Bat walked to the bottom of the mound. Haha.
Eck: "not even close".
fan behind the 3b dugout wearing an old expos cap.
<3 Youk.
Huh, Pie is his actual name. I figured it was a nickname.
This is becoming a runaway!
yook on that fastball like orsillo on a free doughnut
you are loading them for the bedazzler????
big mistake, hombre.
I love how Hill gets left in, because this is just how he pitches.
Huh, Pie is his actual name. I figured it was a nickname.
Pronounced pee-ay.
Amy, pronounce Pie, "pee-eh"
<3 Papi.
Like I said, running away with it.
he says it is pronounced "pee-ayy" but fuck it, we call 'em like they look:
pie
chone
putz
wang
Benjamin and Ish giving me some conflicting info on pronunciation. But it's better than saying PIE like the dessert. What kind of name is it? Spanish?
Doesn't Putz pronounce like it looks?
excuse me, what kind of pie do you serve?
we have apple, blueberry, key lime and felix.
Amy I'm thinking more of a french pronunciation.
French Lugo would be Lugoux
Dominican.
hey hey hey
it's matt albers!!!!
Ish is just suggesting you pronounce it in Canadian, in deference to our hosts.
let'sbuh gobuh, tekbuh.
Orioles are threatening to give up so many runs we never reach the fifth inning.
Tek gets an RBI the painful way.
HA -- did not hit tek!!!!!!!!!!!!
ump: "i heard it. i heard it"
Tek gets an RBI the painful way.
On the replay, it doesn't look like it hurt one bit.
Bad call. Tek didn't get hit.
Guess no pain...
Free ribeye!
Haha.
Well, let's get an official game in before it rains and all these runs are for naught.
That's at least an hour's worth of rain coming.
"26 minute wait"
glug.
26 minute delay! Thanks, Don! Useful info!
Ok, where is mr. Smoltz can't pitch at the major league level?
OK, let's get this inning in before the hour's worth of rain, just in case.
I am with Amy, 2 OTT's would be fine with me.
bay is there for ya all. clearly an intentional whiff.
pitch to contact, smoltzie.
Smoltz did his part. Five in the books.
Ok, I finally finish getting done in prep for the job fragging and get in and everybody disappears.
cribbit
Not quite five yet. Got the bottom half to work on.
tarp time.
maybe smoltz isn't so selfish to want a W for himself -- maybe he's thinking of the team, huh?
wow- some camera angles show it coming down in fucking sheets.
BALLS. Tarp on the field.
Turd floater.
Smoltz did his part. Five in the books.
Rain delay...feh.
Didn't Smoltz just pitch the bottom of the fifth, Ish?
Donkey pitching if the game restarts?
EI staying with NESN. Edes with TC. I like Edes.
I just got home. is this game going to count?
Just read the comments. Hilarious. Wish I wasn't so busy working. I think J.J. Putz's last name is pronounced "puts," and not "putts." But what do I know?
you mean "puts" as opposed to "putz"?
I guess I was hallucinating. I was sure that Smoltz pitched the fifth already.
I think threading sometimes means I miss things on the game!
I think threading sometimes means I miss things on the game!
sure ;>
Hi, WCS, too bad there is a rain delay.
That law stuff keeping you too busy these days, huh?
I was just going through one of the boxes of books I got when I cleared out my storage space the other day (twice as many boxes as I thought). The Dec. 1984 issue of MAD is entitled "MAD Salutes the Jacksons" and the April '85 issue is the "Special Rock Issue" with Jackson as the first artist mentioned.
These'll look good on the radio tomorrow.
Also feature's Mad's Baseball Owner of the Year: George Swinebrenner:
Drone River: I love it--this city, which is broke, shelled out millions of dollars to fix up this place and not only do they have to pay to get in, the best seats are only available to large corporations!
DR: Does the city share in your profits?
GS: Your act should be so funny.
Just saw the cover you posted on FB, Nick. Very cool!
MFY's have bases loaded in bottom 4th, no outs. frack
That was a good find. There are so many books here that I can't yet seem to part with, but where'm I gonna put 'em? I've got to get ruthless.
Only one run for the MFY. coulda been worse. Heidi's showing leg. Not that I mind, but they should make TC and Don do it too.
Hi Amy,
Yes, preparing for too many conference calls and meetings. Keeping half of an eye on GDGD and this thread.
No rain here in sunny California.
How bad is the rain in Bal'more?
Hi Amy,
Yes, preparing for too many conference calls and meetings. Keeping half of an eye on GDGD and this thread.
No rain here in sunny California.
A blistering 91 today in Montana.
I just got a house today!
After signing papers, I was hoping for some Red Sox!, because, frankly, the Xanax/Valium IV drip isn't working anymore. Sigh.
Ichiro has infield hit, then steals 2nd and 3rd and scores on a soft liner!!! 3-2 MFY's
Nick, when we moved in April, I gave away as many books as I could, and we still had more boxes of books than I could count after a while. I have no idea where we are going to put them when we move.
I have a feeling I will be donating more books.
Ichiro has almost 585 multi hit games. Wow
No idea what is happening now in Baltimore, but the sun FINALLY came out at 1 pm today. What a treat!
I have this image of me living by myself and dying around 100. The obit will talk about the aisles of books that were stacked everywhere in the house.
nick said...
Only one run for the MFY. coulda been worse. Heidi's showing leg. Not that I mind, but they should make TC and Don do it too.
I have heard a lot of men say she women have nice legs, but have never heard a woman say a man has nice legs...so who would that benefit, TC and Don showing leg?
I have room in my basement office for spare books!
Tarp is off the field!!!
tarp off
donkey warming
This is where that 5 IP for a starter sucks. Smoltzie deserves this win.
I have heard a lot of men say she women have nice legs, but have never heard a woman say a man has nice legs...so who would that benefit, TC and Don showing leg?
My girlfriend says Alberto Contador has nice legs. :(
52 pitches for Smoltz. Nice!!!
Is heidi showing a Tek bump?
heidi's only interview was with roberts it looks like
Mariners tie it up at 3 and still batting in the 5th
Game coming back!
i have nice legs, i think.
some of you will see in july!
For the record, I have no desire to Don or Eck's legs. Now I am sure some of the players have nice legs.
Tek's thighs are a bit much for my taste, btw.
well, you're welcome to come and pick through to fill those shelves of yours.
Do I keep two boxes of SF mags from late 50s to mid 60s that my uncle gave me? I read a bunch of 'em in high school. Will I read 'em again? Do I need to keep those Kerouac novels that are not interesting editions? What about all those books from various sociology classes that I would be interested in perusing again someday?
i have nice legs, i think.
some of you will see in july!
Have you started growing out your beard yet?
the scorer *could* give the W to smoltz. i don't think it's set in stone.
hells bells for wieters!
redsock said...
i have nice legs, i think.
some of you will see in july!
If that is not something to look forward too for all you going, I don't know what is.....
tied at the toilet.
i have nice legs, i think.
some of you will see in july!
My legs look like a couple of ham sandwiches. I swear I have 26-inch calves. It ain't natural.
Do I keep two boxes of SF mags from late 50s to mid 60s that my uncle gave me? I read a bunch of 'em in high school. Will I read 'em again? Do I need to keep those Kerouac novels that are not interesting editions? What about all those books from various sociology classes that I would be interested in perusing again someday?
One of the great regrets of my life .. and I mean this, is that I once had the comic in which Spiderman's girlfriend Gwen was killed by the Green Goblin....
.... and I threw it away!
Nick, I hear you. Do I need all those books from college? How about favorite children's books? Will my grandchildren want new editions or these old ones? What about all those faded paperbacks of books I read 5, ten, twenty years ago that I will never read again?
I just can't seem to part with them at all. Old clothes, yes. Old books...not so much.
SF mags from 50's don't you dare throw away.
I once had a guy tell me I had nice calves. That was a long time ago.
Tek's thigh's make me thing of rugby player thighs.
Eck: "not even close".
lactose-intolerant johnson. not that he doesn' want the cheese.
Pepe, don't remind me. My mother threw away my collection of Superman comics. Breaks my heart.
I do have all my Beatles stuff though. BTW, my daughter got me tickets to see Paul McCartney at Fenway for my birthday. I know most of you probably are not Beatles fans, but as a child of the 60s who remembers seeing the Beatles on Ed Sullivan as an eleven year old girl, crying when they went off stage, Paul is still my first serious crush.
Thunder thighs at bat. Use those power legs, Tek.
tek looking like lennon in that at-bat
Pepe, don't remind me. My mother threw away my collection of Superman comics. Breaks my heart.
It wasn't my mum. It was *me.* Seriously, that comic would be worth thousands today. At least hundreds.
Hee, hee, I have a very good friend who is still a huge Beatles fan. I promised her I would never make fun of the Beatles if she promised to never make fun of The Who...
... or Primus.
Oh..I would never throw them away. question is would I regret getting rid of them? I've never had a music or book purge in my life and it is really showing.
What do I do with all these issues of Wired? I have a complete set of the first few years minus the 1st and 3rd issues (lent both away back when). I can't see ebay shipping costs being reasonable. I'll probably just offer 'em up on craigslist. someone must want them.
John? Hardly.
tek looking like lennon in that at-bat
Are we actually playing again?
Godammit, no one tells me anything!
gotta try ebay, who knows? someone may pay postage (media mail is cheap).
i was so poor in the early 80s i sold almost all my baseball cards (kept the tobacco cards from the teens) -- this was about 2 years before the market totally fucking went nuts. i had tens of thousands of cards. fml.
I get The Who, but what/who is Primus?
I know I am uncool and dating myself, but especially with Nick and EFD on JOS, I figure I should learn something about music after 1976.
Pepe...I said, Game is back! above.
donkey's a-dealin'
I get The Who, but what/who is Primus?
(Gasp!)
Faints dead away!
I had baseball cards also. They disappeared the same time that my Superman comics disappeared.
After that, my mother was not allowed to touch ANYTHING in my room when I went to camp...
also, my grandmother bought me a subscription to SI for my birthday in 75 -- and she renewed it every year ($30!).
i saved every issue from oct 75 to sometime in 82 sometime. no idea what happened to those.
Pepe...I said, Game is back!
I'm wired completely out of my mind on a Valium/Xanax IV drip after signing my life away and you expect me to follow this thread?
Umm, what just happened? They thought there were three outs?
Pepe, I guess not! Double post and everything proving your point!! :)
that was fuckin' hilarious
the infield and p head to dugout.
tek stayed at plate
outfielders stay out too, though lbj came to lcf.
Umm, what just happened? They thought there were three outs?
Yep.
- that was great. 4 sox run off the field thinking it was 3 outs, after two. Wonder who was the leader on that?
You know you're becoming a crazy old fart when you have books stacked on the stairs and a little pathway to go up and down. OSHA would not be amused. I do not save old newspapers, however.
Pepe, I guess not! Double post and everything proving your point!! :)
Actually, I think my DSL flaked on me.
and where the eff are my programs from my first few times at fenway?
i have since got copies of the specific editions from ebay, but it ain't the same.
Maybe the team is having the same problem I had before. I still swear I saw Smoltz pitch the bottom of the fifth before the rain delay.
Perhaps I, too, had some IV drip of something.
I think they tapped Pepe's feed. (congrats, btw!)
why hasn't charlie moore drowned yet?
come on, god, get on the stick.
Jakubauskas trying to give it away to the MFYs.
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