August 10, 2009

G111: Red Sox 6, Tigers 5

Tigers  - 000 210 200 - 5 10  0
Red Sox - 220 010 10x - 6 12 0
Back at Fenway Park, the Red Sox bats felt at home immediately. Jacoby Ellsbury doubled to start the first and Dustin Pedroia followed with a line drive home run to left. Boston collected eight hits in the first two innings.

The Tigers chipped away and tied the game in the seventh off Manny Delcarmen. After the stretch, J.D. Drew doubled and one out later Casey Kotchman singled him to third. Nick Green, who had begun the second with a dong over everything in left, lofted a sacrifice fly to center. Drew scored easily and it was Sox 6-5.

Ramon Ramirez had some trouble in the eighth. Magglio Ordonez doubled and Brandon Inge was plunked. After a successful bunt and a strikeout (why didn't Jim Leyland hit for Adam Everett?), Jonathan Papelbon came in and, with runners on second and third, got Curtis Granderson to foul out to catcher Victor Martinez. In the ninth, Bot needed only nine pitches to dispense with the Bengals (F8, K, F9).

Toronto edged the Yankees 5-4, so Boston moved to 5.5 GB in the East (one day, one game closer) and took a 0.5 lead over the idle Rangers for the Wild Card.
Example
Edwin Jackson (2.62, 174 ERA+) / Brad Penny (5.20, 91 ERA+)

We thought David Ortiz was back (and back big!) with his strong performance in June. But it turns out that was an aberration.
             AVG   OBP   SLG    OPS
Mar/April .230 .290 .333 .623
May .143 .278 .242 .520
June .320 .409 .653 1.062
July .247 .306 .539 .845
August .071 .188 .107 .295

Road Gms .201 .287 .307
Last 13G .146 .226 .313
Last 24G .202 .273 .393
There is talk at SoSH about whether Terry Francona has the will to bench Ortiz and Jason Varitek (.164/.270/.236 since the ASG) and go with Lowell DH/Youkilis 3B/Kotchman 1B/Martinez C on most nights.

We need the absolute best lineup on the field every single night, egos be damned. Playoff Tito, you are our only hope.

Adam Kilgore reports (see here, too) that
Since the Red Sox arrived in Baltimore the morning of July 31, 19 roster spots have remained constant. Fifteen players cycled through the other six spots over the next nine days [Justin Masterson, Adam LaRoche, Marcus McBeth, Josh Reddick, Victor Martinez, Casey Kotchman, George Kottaras, Billy Traber, John Smoltz, Rocco Baldelli, Chris Woodward, Junichi Tazawa, Jed Lowrie, Enrique Gonzalez, and Fernando Cabrera]. ...

It has been the busiest week of shuttling players in and out of the clubhouse that traveling secretary Jack McCormick can remember.
Also at 7: The Blue Jays roll over for the Yankees.

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redsock said...

1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. Victor Martinez, C
4. Kevin Youkilis, 3B
5. David Ortiz, DH
6. J.D. Drew, RF
7. Jason Bay, LF
8. Casey Kotchman, 1B
9. Nick Green, SS

1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Marcus Thames, LF
4. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
5. Carlos Guillen, DH
6. Magglio Ordonez, RF
7. Brandon Inge, 3B
8. Gerald Laird, C
9. Adam Everett, SS

redsock said...

BP's current PECOTA-adjusted playoff odds offer more hope than Cool Standings:

BOS 72.7% (61.4% WC)
TBR 20.8% (19.0% WC)
TEX 20.2% (5.5% WC)

redsock said...

MSN: "Reds starters Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo have cleared trade waivers, a major-league source told FOXSports.com. Harang is under contract for next season at $12.5 million, Arroyo at $11 million. (Cincinnati holds club options on both for 2011.) The Reds would probably need to assume a portion of that money in order to move either pitcher."

SoSock said...

Hope springs eternal - we CAN score runs after all!
Not too many, apparently, but at least.......it's a start.

I am obviously going to have to read Infinite Jest. I actually have it on the shelf, but have never gotten to it. After Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance I had to wait before doing another soul-searching, endlessly-wandering stream of thought piece. Not that I didn't consider Zen well worth reading, I did. And I'm sure Wallace's work is at least as good. It just seems like it will be a long read (I don't get to read as much as I would like) and every time I thought about starting it there was always something else I wanted to read first.

redsock said...

I'm planning to re-read it beginning in November. ... JoS Book Club!

redsock said...

uck the Tigers. They're gonna wake up in a smoothie!

(stolen from sosh)

tim said...

Let's hope the real Red Sox show up tonight. Not that putrid excuse of a team that played 4 in NY. Time to start getting games back.

Kevin said...

NY is 18-5 (.783) since the All-Star Break

There's NO WAY that kind of record is sustainable

Especially considering Burnett, Joba, and Pettitte are 1st, 2nd, and 8th respectively in walks allowed in the AL

Patrick said...

I'm not crying because you left me this way. My eyes are just a little sweaty today.

redsock said...

what sucks is we could have done better with the softer july schedule because august is tougher.

meuniermr said...

If the Red Sox bats stay silent again I may commit seppuku.

s1c said...

Ok, I don't know who the lady in red is, but she has a big caboose and we are just 7 minutes away from it is on!!!

redsock said...

oral hershiser scares me.
he looks positively evil.

L-girl said...

Last night's game thread - riffing on RUNS - was fun. It helped a lot.

I had to leave work before the end of the game, but I kept in phone touch w/ Allan for updates. Then got home in time to see the lovely 9th inning.

I don't have the creative energy tonight to make RUN songs, poems and literary allusions.

I just want to win this fucking game.

And the next one.

And the next one.

And the one after that.

L-girl said...

SoSock, you might want to check out DFW's essays, like the collection Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again. I positively LOVE these. Perhaps you'll love IJ like A does, but if you want a Wallace fix w/o undertaking that project, I highly recommend Supposedly Fun Thing. Amazing stuff.

redsock said...

L is right.
ASFT is the perfect gateway drug.

redsock said...

VOOBS, bitches!

s1c said...

Well I missed the game threads on the weekend as I just did not have the energy to be online while watching the games (24 1/2 hours of work in a 36 hour span does that to me) but tonight is a new night and it is time to fragging win a game.

Patrick said...

I'm feeling good about this one.

L-girl said...

If it's a gateway drug, it would have worked on me. They always do!

Kevin said...

August may be tough, but we play 19 of our final 35 games against teams that are below .500, and eight games of our final 39 against Chicago, who are only 2 games over .500

In case you weren't counting, that means 27 of our final 39 games against teams that are no more than 2 games over .500

I think we'll be fine

L-girl said...

s1c, that's one tough schedule!

We were all putting the word RUNS in famous literary quotes, songs, even bible verses I believe. It was pretty funny - lots of creative stuff.

s1c said...

Glad I don't have to rely on GDGD as it is 2 pitches behind.

Fragging fan, don't fight for the ball when it is indians at the bat.

Edward Lee said...

That guy who tried to take the foul ball away from Martinez is a world-class tool. Really, a 16-0 Patriots shirt?

Patrick said...

Or Tigers!

L-girl said...

And by indians you mean tigers.

9casey said...

Placido is very underated....

s1c said...

Yeah it was tough because 6 1/2 hours were unplanned. I don't mind working 10 or so hours when it is planned, but I hate having to come in an emergency because some idiot didn't make a flight in Atlanta.

Kevin said...

Dammit, Penny, throw strikes

s1c said...

Ok, Tigers not Indians.

Kevin said...

Alright, not a clean inning, but a scoreless inning

I'll take it

Edward Lee said...

The Tigers are not a super disciplined team at the plate, so I'm okay with Penny nibbling. But yeah, walks are bad.

L-girl said...

Yup, long shifts are different when you know in advance. It's like you mentally pace yourself. But having to work 10 extra hours, unplanned...! Ugh. I hope you were at least well compensated.

Patrick said...

just a reminder to anyone who can, it's blueberry season and if you get a chance it's really nice to pick your own.

s1c said...

Oh my darling, oh my darling, oh my darling Sox. Could you, would you please score some fragging Runs!!!

Kevin said...

Leadoff runner in scoring position?!?!

L-girl said...

We have some amazing orgnaic blueberries from BC, having them later w/ vanilla frozen yogurt. We don't pick them ourselves, but we're happy other people pick them.

HIT! WE GOT A HIT!!!

Patrick said...

"Most lefties would have made that play"

I laugh and then shudder, remembering Youk in left.

redsock said...

L-2B-J

Patrick said...

regardless of who picked them, I'm psyched to see blueberries at the farmers markets every week.

L-girl said...

six words

WIN A GAME

and

GO BLUE JAYS

tim said...

OMG A LEADOFF DOUBLE!!!!!

meuniermr said...

CI leadoff dong for MFY

L-girl said...

yeah, my life is a bit complicated and far away from farms right now. but organic fruit in season is amazing. it's like a gift.

tim said...

How's the basement/articles from the basement?

tim said...

I don't want to see this inning end until every Sox player has a hit.

Patrick said...

HELL YEAH!!!!!!

redsock said...

FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tim said...

FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin said...

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!!!!!!!

L-girl said...

FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!

WE SCORE RUNS!!!

Edward Lee said...

He hit that ball real hard.

s1c said...

OK, FY!!!

DonG, Dong,

And the happy feet is playing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

meuniermr said...

Well that was almost a leadoff

Patrick said...

*that is to say, Fuck yeah

A Conformer said...

Fuck Yeah!

tim said...

In the words of Don Orsillo there...

"ohhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhh"

Patrick said...

I love our chorus of Fuck Yeah!!!

redsock said...

Pedroia's dong is twice as big as Jeter's.

L-girl said...

Tim, thanks for asking. Minimal damage (to our things), maximum work.

Info here.

Iridescence said...

Dustin!

L-girl said...

Major fuck yeah action on the thread. I like that - "a chorus".

Kevin said...

Yooouuuk

L-girl said...

The first part of that wmtc post, anyway. I'm sure the rest is boring, just me venting.

Zenslinger said...

Yeah, Yanks have gone HR-1B-1B in their half of the inning since Mitre got out of trouble in the first.

I wouldn't think Zen and the Art has much in common with IJ. Pirsig's not really writing a novel, more of a Western philosophy primer than anything else. But, still a great book.

tim said...

3 fucking hits in one inning? Great computer virus!

Patrick said...

I think Ortiz is ready for another hot streak.

Amy said...

Imagine my delight to turn on the TV and see that we are in the lead in the FIRST INNING.

Already, I am breathing better!!

SoSock said...

Holy Shit!!
I watched the 1st AB in the bedroom, walked out here and switched on the set, and -LOOKY THERE!"
I assume with 2 runs, no one on, and V-Mart at bat Petey must have whipped out his dong.

L-girl said...

Thames on the Body of Water team, along with Bay, Rivers, Hudson, etc.

tim said...

min damage = good
max work = not so good

if you/landlord need a good electrician, you know who to call =)

that sucks that it will be torn apart for awhile, hopefully they'll be able to get it cleaned up and safe (with regards to mould) so you don't have to move out.

didn't know you were starting grad school either - cool! what are you doing?

tim said...

FOUR! FOUR HITS! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!

L-girl said...

hits! hits! we're getting hits!!

now if some of them become RUNS, we may...

no, I won't say it. but we may!

tim said...

Alright bay, show us that canuck dong of yours.

Kevin said...

LOADED?!?!?!

Patrick said...

What's that thing that happens when the last out is made, and you have more runs than the other team?

I forgot.

SoSock said...

4, count 'em, 4 hits.
Is this what we used to call offense? I seem to recall there being a thing with that name in our reportoire a while back.

tim said...

After this I'm out for the night. 9am exam I've barely touched the stuff for. No motivation whatsoever...but can't thread/watch/study, so I'm cutting out the most logical one. For the past 3 nights, it's been study. Tonight, thread has to go however.

I'll be leaving our sewing circle.

Amy said...

Bases loaded!

Now...why couldn't we do this over the weekend?? Is the NYY pitching that much better? Is it being back at Fenway? Did Tito give them a pep talk?

SoSock said...

Tim - I like the evil laugh :)

Zenslinger said...

Damn, did E. Jackson revert to last year? Or maybe the year before that?

redsock said...

so we go from "the season is fucked" to "hell yeah, we're rollin'"!!

L-girl said...

sosock is an electrician, but he's kind of far away. who do you have in mind?

in sept i begin a master's program to become a librarian. trying to change my day job (non-writing job).

graduated university in 1982, so it's a big change!

tim said...

Show us what's in your kotch, man!!!

SoSock said...

"Just to finish up on the steroid issue"
OK, he actually said that, but will they really be finished?
Doubt it.

L-girl said...

patrick, let me know if you think of it.

i don't seek explanations, but i think we can rule out pep talk.

Patrick said...

FAK!

Kevin said...

Damn, hard-hit, but an out

Still I'll take a 2 run lead in the 1st any day

L-girl said...

i hope tim isn't gone yet. i want to know who the electrician is. isn't tim an accountant? (or will be)

tim said...

Very nice, yeah, I heard it's tough to get back into it after being out of school for so long...My mom's husband just completed his MBA and I think he graduated from Tufts in '72 or something. Oh well, I'm sure once you get into the swing of things you'll be rolling.

Also, my dad is an electrician in Hamilton. And I'm working for him for the rest of August.

Alright gotta go now - talk to you about it later!

SoSock said...

Minimum service call charge - $78.00.
Minimum service call charge to Toronto - $78.00, a warm bed, a couple of meals, and a whole lot of beer.
Just hope it can wait till I get caught up from my last trip up north.

tim said...

lol, at this rate i won't be an accountant. my exam tomorrow is in just that, advanced accounting. and i'm fuuuuucked as of right now.

time to translate some foreign financial statements!

redsock said...

Rios traded to WSox
Pedro starts Wed, I think

L-girl said...

thanks tim, good luck!!

tim said...

I'll let SoSock take the call. Of course, you would need it approved by the authorities up here so a bribe* may be in order.

* - Bribe involves steak and beer.

s1c said...

Pedro starts Wednesday - Moyer to the pen.

Digger probably throwing things in Bristol.

A Conformer said...

Catching up on the thread. Allan, I will gladly join you for JoS book club. I'll pick up IJ in the Strand on my way home or something.

L-girl said...

SoSock, if you come up next summer, we'll get you change a light bulb.

redsock said...

Oh shit, does this mean I'll have to follow thru on this? Not the reading but the discussing ...

L-girl said...

Will you settle for steak and wine?

Edward Lee said...

I think Ordonez was out.

SoSock said...

Ha!
My NC license is reciprocal with Virginia and SC, maybe Georgia too, I forget.
Toronto might be a stretch :)

redsock said...

i think you may be right.

espn finally gets a decent replay. god they suck

A Conformer said...

Oh shit, does this mean I'll have to follow thru on this? Not the reading but the discussing ...

We could do one sided discussion. I'll shoot ideas and impressions on to you and you'll say "hmmm" and "ahhh".

tim said...

Steak and wine, delicious.

A Conformer said...

I've never done a book club kinda thing. Could be interesting. Could be awful. Who knows.

Amy said...

$78 to change a light bulb seems a bit excessive. Plus his travel expenses? Yikes. :)

andy said...

Christian Guzman cleared waivers. Theo is involved.

SoSock said...

And steak and wine will do just fine, thank you very much.
We'll take our chances on the authorities.
Oh wait....I forgot they're watching you. Better get a permit to change that bulb.

A Conformer said...

Second book could be Eyeless in Gaza or Point Counterpoint, by Aldous Huxley. Favorites of mine.

Kevin said...

It's so nice to see a team other than the Sox squander

s1c said...

Hits aweigh my Sox.
Hits aweigh.
Score runs to Victory
and sink the Tigers Today!!!

Amy said...

I am not a book club person. I don't like to read what I am told to read and or told how fast I am supposed to read it.. We are in one sort of book club with three other couples. We talk about the reading for 20 minutes, then eat and talk about other stuff for 2 hours. Seems sort of just an excuse to socialize.

SoSock said...

Huxleym no less. You ARE into the heavy shit, aren't you.

SoSock said...

Not sure where that m came from

L-girl said...

Point Counterpoint, I love that book. Read it so long ago, I should read it again. Also loved Brave New World, also read ages ago.

Zenslinger said...

Who's reporting that about Guzman, Andy?

redsock said...

On one other attempted read many years ago, I signed up for the first section book, so if I can find that stiff, I can guarantee a strong start (like 7% of the book!).

Zenslinger said...

I teach Brave New World, but I'm thinking about dropping it. Great ideas, but not much of a novel.

s1c said...

Guzman cleared waivers which means the Sox passed on him once.

Green!!!

L-girl said...

GREEN ENERGY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kevin said...

GREEEEEEEN!!!

Amy said...

Green suddenly hitting again??

redsock said...

I DON'T BELIEVE

WHAT I JUST SAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SoSock said...

"I really worry about their starting pitching"
HAS THIS GUY WATCHED A GAME AT ALL THIS WEEK!!!!!
18 innings pitched and 2 ER.
Obviously a SUCKY starting staff.

OMFG!
Green's dong is out!

meuniermr said...

GREEN POWER, wave those solar panels folks!

Patrick said...

What the hell is going on?!?!?!

I'm suddenly so grateful for 3 runs.

A Conformer said...

So, is Nick Green reemerging?

Edward Lee said...

I think Edwin Jackson is reemerging.

L-girl said...

I was 12 or 13 when I read Brave New World. It's highly possible if I read it today I'd know it isn't much of a novel. But many images from it have stayed with me always.

L-girl said...

My list of books to read is crazy long, I'd need a few lifetimes, but I do soon want to get to The Open Veins of Latin America. Ofer recommended it, then immediately afterwards I heard of it 4 or 5 other places. Seems like a must for me.

L-girl said...

I love Edwin Jackson.

A Conformer said...

I teach Brave New World, but I'm thinking about dropping it. Great ideas, but not much of a novel.

My thoughts exactly. I loved it when I was 14, but it didn't stand up on a second read. Have you read Eyeless or Point Counterpoint?

Why can't Jackson still be on the FKR?

Ish said...

Good morning, World.

It's a beautiful day out there. The Red Sox are getting their wood on!

Just awoke from a nap. I forgot how much I like naps.

Kevin said...

6 hits and only the second inning!

redsock said...

I have never read BNW.

SoSock said...

Who is this tool. Just make shit up that sounds like you know something and spew it out.

I still can't believe he actually said that.
Bullpen - maybe
Offense - definitely
Starting pitching - not really the problem.
Sure the 4th or 5th man will struggle some, but does any club really have 5 quality starters?

L-girl said...

What is going on with LBJ? Is he going to shave or what? If he keeps the scruffy look, I may trade him in for Lars Andersen sooner than I planned.

tim said...

Still lurking just to say, this is freakin' sweet!

A Conformer said...

My list of books to read is crazy long, I'd need a few lifetimes, but I do soon want to get to The Open Veins of Latin America. Ofer recommended it, then immediately afterwards I heard of it 4 or 5 other places. Seems like a must for me.

It was a life changer for me. No exaggeration. It changed the way I see the world.

meuniermr said...

Why did Ells abort the mission to 3rd after it went to the backstop?

Iridescence said...

Well we really do have only 2 quality consistent and healthy starters so I wouldn't say it totally isn't a concern. But I have some faith in the young guys (Penny not so much)

Amy said...

I also have not reread Brave New World since reading it in school several decades ago. But we read it along with 1984, and the two books are sort of merged in my memory. I should probably go back and read both. A good third with that could be The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood.

After re-reading those three, losing four to the Yankees won't seem so bad.

SoSock said...

There's aar on that hill!
Tied in the toilet.

redsock said...

LBJ took a big turn, but he would have been out by 20 feet at least

Iridescence said...

The Jays let Alex Rios go to the other Sox for nothing, wow.

redsock said...

green light pls

L-girl said...

1984 is one of the very few books I've re-read. I first read it in Jr High, then again when it was reissued in 1983, then again in 2000. Each time, I get more out of it, and am more in awe of Orwell.

s1c said...

The Jays let Alex Rios go to the other Sox for nothing, wow.

Which means the other Sox are probably picking up the entire (onerous) salary.

L-girl said...

Also, although I really really like Margaret Atwood, I really disliked Handmaid's Tale. As Zen said about BNW, all idea, no book.

I proofread it when it went into paperback. Just a little L factoid.

SoSock said...

Damn, my buddies are going to be mad. I told them I'd be around for the start of the show as I have no LL tonight.
I haven't even got to the shower yet.
Oh well, they play till 10:30 or 11 usually. I'll get there.

A Conformer said...

Huxleym no less. You ARE into the heavy shit, aren't you.

To answer your question: I'm "reading" Ulysses right now.

Iridescence said...

"Which means the other Sox are probably picking up the entire (onerous) salary."

They are but I still find it surprising they couldn't at least get some player for him as well.

Kevin said...

Infield hit!

Amy said...

I think I remember more of 1984 than BNW, but there are some things that muddled together.

L-girl said...

Safe!

Ofer, that's so cool. I will read it soon. (Soon-ish.)

Jared Diamond's books did that for me - Guns, Germs & Steel, and Collapse. And Michael Pollan, too. Big changes in the way I see the world and choices I make.

SoSock said...

Yoooook!
I hope our non-squanderage continues.
OK, we kinda squandered some earlier, but we didn't come away with nothing.

Amy said...

That's cool about Handmaid's Tale. I found it sort of the female version of 1984. I thought it was thought provoking, even if not great literature.

OMG, I am getting tired of all these hits. Ho hum. :)

s1c said...

Papi wtf are you doing?

redsock said...

there we go!




aw fucking papi

L-girl said...

RUNS! RUNS! WE HAVE RUNS!!!!!

Patrick said...

Dumb, but I'll take it.

Kevin said...

RBI = Good
Baserunning = Not so much

A Conformer said...

They are but I still find it surprising they couldn't at least get some player for him as well.

It's the whole waiver thing. If the WS claimed him, and the BJs didn't pull him back, the other Sox get him for nothing, but take on his whole salary. I'm pretty sure that's the rule. The BJs can't ask for anything.

SoSock said...

OK - mixed results
1st - no squanderage,
then - squanderage
But I'm liking the trend!

johngoldfine said...

Jules Henry changed my world view: Culture Against Man, Pathways to Madness. I couldn't have ever found myself a teacher without those and books by John Holt and Edgar Z. Friedenberg.

Patrick said...

I'm glad Michael Pollan is writing his books about what he is, but man, I really despise his writing style.

s1c said...

1984 - good book
Handmaids Tale - Decent book

Last read both in 1975 - World Masterpieces.

Ok Penny, time to have a clean inning, mmm, ok?

johngoldfine said...

What about his style, Patrick?

L-girl said...

Handmaid's Tale is definitely thought provoking. I love its politics, just didn't like the book. But I love that a lot of people got thinking about those ideas. Very important.

I have never heard of John Goldfine's important writer! I have to look him up.

A Conformer said...

Jared Diamond, Jules Henry= added to the list.

L-girl said...

How did you read Handmaid's Tale in 1975? It was written ten years after that. :)

Patrick said...

Pollan's writing seems monotonous and plodding. I like his journalism, going to places and reporting experiences. I always feel that by the time I've gotten half way through, he is repeating himself.

Kevin said...

Nice DP

s1c said...

We Swung our bats and the hits kept a'coming.
There were more runs scored than there was an inning ago.
We swung once more and the Sox kept a scoring
around the bases and down to Tito!

Iridescence said...

"Handmaid's Tale is definitely thought provoking."

I agree. Disturbing but definitely thought provoking.

L-girl said...

Patrick, wow, I LOVE Michael Pollan's writing. It's exactly how I would like to write, and how I try to write. I find him so engaging.

What is it that turns you off?

A Conformer said...

DP! Cool.

If we can win Penny's start, we gotta have faith in Tazawa tomorrow and then it's Josh Fucking Beckett on Wed. Suddenly the world looks less grim.

redsock said...

64 pitches for jackson thru 2.

L-girl said...

So interesting, Patrick finds the writing monotonous and plodding, to me it is symphonic.

A Conformer said...

64 pitches for jackson thru 2.

Gotta start hacking. We want him in, not the bullpen!

s1c said...

Oops, meant only 1984. Got to many windows open. Read handmaids while in Portland 1989 or while traveling.

redsock said...

Sox
10 of 15 batters have reached base.

Kevin said...

3 consecutive innings with the leadoff runner on!

johngoldfine said...

Jules Henry quotation for today:

The function of high school, then, is not so much to communicate knowledge as to oblige children finally to accept the grading system as a measure of their inner excellence. And a function of the self-destructive process in American children is to make them willing to accept not their own, but a variety of other standards, like a grading system, for measuring themselves. It is thus apparent that the way American culture is now integrated it would fall apart if it did not engender feelings of inferiority and worthlessness.
-Jules Henry


That last sentence really strikes me because at cc I spend a lot of time on salvage work with people who have spent 12 years learning what pieces of shit they are.

9casey said...

s1c said...
Oops, meant only 1984. Got to many windows open. Read handmaids while in Portland 1989 or while traveling.



I have trouble remembering when I got married, and you can remember when you read a certain book, that's amazing

Zenslinger said...

Have you read Eyeless or Point Counterpoint?

I have not.

A Conformer said...

Have you read Eyeless or Point Counterpoint?

I have not.


To me, it amazes me that they're by the same author. While in BNW the characters are cardboard figures advancing the one big idea he wants to convey, in both of those the characters are extremely vivid and deep, there are myriad ideas flying every which way, and many questions and no answers besides partial, obviously imperfect answers that are contradicted within the same book. Plus, he's very playful in both those books, while Brave New World is maddeningly straight forward.

L-girl said...

I think I have read excerpts from Jules Henry but didn't remember the name. When I was teaching (brief foray), a friend/mentor gave me several things to read, and that sounds very familiar.

I was teaching in an alternative setting - young people who had dropped out of high school. My friend was teaching basic reading literacy to people age 18-24.

So you can imagine a lot of that kind of thing got passed around.

redsock said...

TOR: 001 2
MFY: 101

tor still batting in 4th

L-girl said...

Huxley may have had different audiences or purposes in mind with the 2 books.

meuniermr said...

3-2 Jays

johngoldfine said...

Yeah, l-girl, that was exactly the sort of setting Jules Henry spoke to 45 years ago, and, sadly, alas, still does.

s1c said...

Well, dang, guess i'll have to stop the song lyrics.

Ok Penny can we get an OTT?

(1984, Fountainhead, The prince, Huckleberry Finn, The Hobbit, and one other classic which escapes me was the masterpiece class).

Nope no OTT

meuniermr said...

Huxley WANTED what he wrote to come true, his book was a policy exercise in favor of eugenics.

redsock said...

jays 4-2

A Conformer said...

Huxley may have had different audiences or purposes in mind with the 2 books.

Makes sense. His writing about LSD/mescaline is also pretty different. But I guess that can be expected...

L-girl said...

My sister is at the NYY game tonight. I just texted her GO BLUE JAYS.

Amy said...

I find it rather amusing that tonight we are much less focused on the game and talking off topic stuff. Is it because it is not NY? Or because we are leading? The tension level is just so different.

I wonder if the players feel that way as well and hence are hitting better.

Amy said...

Is your sister a NYY fan, Laura?

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