August 8, 2009

Ortiz Press Conference At 12:30

ESPN News will also show the press conference. redsox.com has it too.
Example
Michael Weiner, the incoming head of the Players Association and its current general counsel, released a statement this morning. The Globe has the full text (my emphasis):
The New York Times recently reported that David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez "are among the roughly 100 Major League Baseball players to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003." The reported sources for this statement were "lawyers with knowledge of the [test] results" who "spoke anonymously because the testing information is under seal by a court order." The Association has previously offered its views regarding this patent violation of court orders by attorneys, and The New York Times' active pursuit and publication of what it openly acknowledges to be information that may not be legally disclosed.

In light of the Times' report, and all the other newspaper reports it has spurred, the Association feels compelled to offer the following additional comments:

The sealing orders, which were appropriately issued by the various courts to maintain the collectively-bargained confidentiality of the testing, prevent the Association from supplying a player with specifics regarding his 2003 test results, or from discussing those specifics publicly. The practical effect of the sealing orders, if that confidentiality is to be maintained, is to further preclude the Players Association from confirming or denying whether a player's name appears on any list which purportedly discloses the 2003 test results. The result is that any union member alleged to have tested positive in 2003 because his name supposedly appears on some list -- most recently David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez -- finds himself in an extremely unfair position; his reputation has been threatened by a violation of the court's orders, but respect for those orders now leaves him without access to the information that might permit him to restore his good name.

Unlike those anonymous lawyers who have violated the court orders -- and The New York Times, which has authorized an active and willful pursuit of those violations -- the Association will respect the courts' rulings. But we can legally say the following, each of which we suggest must be considered in assessing any and all newspaper reports stating a player has "tested positive for steroids in 2003."

First, the number of players on the so-called "government list" meaningfully exceeds the number of players agreed by the bargaining parties to have tested positive in 2003. Accordingly, the presence of a player's name on any such list does not necessarily mean that the player used a prohibited substance or that the player tested positive under our collectively bargained program.

Second, substantial scientific questions exist as to the interpretation of some of the 2003 test results. The more definitive methods that are utilized by the lab that administers the current Drug Agreement were not utilized by the lab responsible for the anonymous testing program in 2003. The collective bargaining parties did not pursue definitive answers regarding these inconclusive results, since those answers were unnecessary to the administration of the 2003 program.

Third, in 2003, legally available nutritional supplements could trigger an initial "positive" test under our program. To account for this, each "test" conducted in 2003 actually consisted of a pair of collections: the first was unannounced and random, the second was approximately 7 days later, with the player advised to cease taking supplements during the interim.
Under the 2003 program, a test could be initially reported as "positive", but not treated as such by the bargaining parties on account of the second test.
If this is any indication of what Ortiz will say, it sounds like he'll claim (a) he doesn't know exactly what he tested positive for, (b) a less-than-optimal test was used, possibly triggering a false positive, (c) it could have been a "legally available nutritional supplement", and/or (c) he might have tested negative after stopping the legal supplement(s) for a week (but would still have a positive test on the books).

Many people will dismiss that as a cop-out -- many people will dismiss anything Ortiz says as a cop-out -- but it is certainly plausible. We'll have to wait and see.
Example
David Ortiz's press conference is scheduled for 12:30 PM.

NESN will carry it live. I'm not sure if it will be broadcast on MLB.com.
Example
Junichi Tazawa might start against the Tigers on Tuesday in what would have been John Smoltz's rotation spot. Michael Bowden is also a possibility.

Tazawa:
Every pitcher that played today during the game did really well. I didn't do it. ... When I found out [Alex Rodriguez's fly ball] was a home run, I was really disappointed. From that time, I started thinking how I could have pitched better.
Theo Epstein on designating Smoltz for assignment:
It was certainly time to try something different. John understood. We asked him to go home for a few days, think about what he wants to do, think about if he can still help. The good thing about the designation is that it buys time to come up with the appropriate assignment.
Epstein also addressing the team's pitching woes:
It's been surprising sort of how quickly we've gone from quote-unquote the best starting pitching depth in baseball to a challenging time for our rotation. That's happened quickly, but it's not unexpected. It's the reason we didn't trade away our stating pitching when we had a perceived surplus. ... It's important that you do find a way to stabilize the rotation and get a number of pitchers giving us a chance to win night-in and night-out.
Epstein said that Paul Byrd is in Fort Myers and is "probably about three weeks away" from pitching at the major league level. ... Tim Wakefield is scheduled to throw a simulated game on Monday.

41 comments:

redsock said...

I guess this can be a game thread of sorts for Ortiz's statement.

Ish said...

Hopefully I'll be able to make it home to watch this.

Ish said...

Ironic that we trade pitching for offense, get rid of another pitcher, and it's the offense that's not working, and the pitching that's lights out.

Iridescence said...

ish,

It was mainly Beckett that was lights out last night and he was never the problem with the Sox pitching. Their bullpen is not really a problem either. The last two spots of the rotation, on the other hand, are very worrisome.

I think the Sox should have added, not subtracted, pitching at the deadline especially because of the Dice-K and Wake injuries. That's always been my feeling and I'm sticking to it.

Ar least they got rid of the dead weight Smoltz now so hopefully at least one of the young guys can pitch well semi-consistently

9casey said...

What is everyone expecting from this press conference?

Everytime 7-8-9 came up last night it felt like we were a national league team...

9casey said...

I know Theo had something he didn't like about him, but Orlando Cabrera could have helped this team....

9casey said...

Check out Weiner's satement on boston.com.....

redsock said...

What is everyone expecting from this press conference?

Damned if I know.

I think Ortiz has been trying to find out exactly what it was he tested positive for. Which might seem obvious, but looking at this list of MLB's banned substances shows that a positive test could have come from many things, including, it appears, a drug I have been taking for years.

The first drug listed under Stimulants is amfepramone:

"Diethylcathinone (also called Diethylpropion and Amfepramone), is a sympathomimetic stimulant drug marketed as an appetite suppressant. It is sold under the brand name Tenuate or Tenuate Dospan, and may also be known as Amfepramone. The popular antidepressant, bupropion (Wellbutrin) is an analogue of this chemical.

I have been taking Wellbutrin for years in combination with another drug for depression. Presumably, I could test positive under MLB rules.

Iridescence said...

"I know Theo had something he didn't like about him, but Orlando Cabrera could have helped this team...."

Yeah I slso though Cabrera would have been a nice pick-up and was hoping he would get him. I guess they want to see what Jed can do. Too bad he's hurt now.

redsock said...

Statement

james said...

Redsock - Firstly, thanks for talking openly about taking drugs for depression. That's a situation that needs to be out of the shadows, in my opinion. I know how hard it is for a lot of people to do that. I wonder how hard it is for a professional athlete, who is also male, to do that publicly; for some of them, I'm sure, it would almost be easier to say you took steroids than say you are taking anti-depressant medication.
Secondly, I am boldly making the call that last night's shitfest was the turning point of the season, a la mitt in the face day in 2004. This team, full of guys like Youk and Lowell and Pedey and Beckett, is not going to roll over and die on us; they are going to come roaring back. Right?

redsock said...

I don't think it's any big deal, but thanks. I am interested in players who reveal stuff like that though, like Pete Harnisch and Zack Grienke, and how the media reacts. It does seem like the macho, tough-it-out attitude (or the idea that a top athlete with $$$ could not be happy) is on the wane somewhat.

Basketball player Chamique Holdsclaw recently discussed her depression and suicide attempt with SI.

And I found this quote from Russ Johnson:
"Blow out your knee, get into trouble with the law, fail a drug test, and the team will help you back, but suffer a mental or emotional injury, and it's a big mark against you."

johngoldfine said...

tough-it-out attitude (or the idea that a top athlete with $$$ could not be happy) is on the wane somewhat

Gotta de-link the idea that depression is the other side of happiness. Depression can come, god knows, to people with every reason to be happy and can avoid those with every reason not to be. That's why they call it an illness.

Absent de-linking 'happiness' and 'depression,' depressed people will always be open to the charge that their circumstances are such that they ought to be happy so suck it up and stop being a whiny crybaby.

Those of us who suffer from depression know it doesn't work that way.

9casey said...

As Redsock said he sees it as no big deal
I bet there are quite a lot of MLB players who take them....I wonder if Viagra tests positive for "performance enhancing:


How many people take anti-depressants?

Overall use of antidepressants continues to grow, with nearly 190 million prescriptions dispensed in the United States last year, according to IMS Health, a health care information company.

redsock said...

SoSHer ToeKneeArmAss posted a recap of Tiz's opening statement:

***
Found out last Thursday

I was a little bit careless back in those days when I was buying legal supplements and vitamins over the counter

Never used steroids

Never thought using supplements would “hurt anybody’s feelings” – sorry that it did

Did meet with union in 2004 but was NOT told I had tested positive – 5 minute meeting, a little confusing, but was never told I had tested positive for steroids

When I had my statement I said I was surprised because I wasn’t too much involved in it

I’m not here to make any excuses, I used a lot of supplements and vitamins – even had companies sending me stuff – but I never bought or used any steroids

Want to apologize to the fans, my teammates, my manager for the distraction. This past week has been a nightmare for me. I think about the fans every day – I don’t think this game would be as good as it is without the fans. I try to do things the right way. This past week has been a major distraction. I want to apologize to the fans, my teammates, the team owners for this.
****


Union guy talking now, expanding on his statement.

9casey said...

There is a cold picnic table out there somewhere....

redsock said...

took supplements in 03 -- when rules were revised in 04, he stopped taking them/it

redsock said...

:>)

9casey said...

Spanish.....................

redsock said...

will someone ask him the names of the supplements he was taking back in 2003?

9casey said...

I'd like to see you sum that up...

redsock said...

been tested 15 or more times (2 for wbc) since 2004 -- all clean

9casey said...

This guy seems pretty sharp....really helping Papi here..tested 15 times......and wbc...he's clean.....

9casey said...

now go out and hit 3 dongs.......

redsock said...

what he took he got from DR and in US

9casey said...

here ya go.....follow up idiot

9casey said...

here ya go

redsock said...

here we go -- what were they?

redsock said...

no idea -- clueless
did not pay attention

since the policy came out and products been banned, been eating better and working harder, you don't need them ----

(for the children out there???)

9casey said...

gnc is gonna love that.ringing endorsement....it's all in your head Papi

9casey said...

I want this guy with me for my next tax audit

redsock said...

wtf flo?

say this:

"in 2003, i was taking x , y and z -- and something from one or more of those -- maybe f g h -- resulted in a positive test."

jesus -- come on, man.

9casey said...

court order smourt order

redsock said...

has no idea if he took andro

9casey said...

good question....

redsock said...

what ortiz is NOT saying is making more of a statement than his actual words.

9casey said...

redsock said...
what ortiz is NOT saying is making more of a statement than his actual words.



Hes obviouslly been coached

9casey said...

thats has to be why we had the delay of a week

9casey said...

I beleive him.....I also believe he was told not to say what he took...He did say he took andro didn't he

redsock said...

that's it.

jesus -- what a joke.

9casey said...

redsock said...
that's it.

jesus -- what a joke.




once again, what were you expecting.