May 18, 2008

G46: Red Sox 11, Brewers 7

Brewers - 200 202 010 -  7   8  1
Red Sox - 102 321 20x - 11 15 0
A three-game sweep -- in under 25 hours!

Beckett (7-6-6-1-9, 107) allowed four home runs (Ryan Braun tagged his curveball twice), but his teammates battered a quintet of Brewers. The biggest bats:
Ortiz: 2 home runs, double, 2 runs, 4 RBI
Pedroia: 2 singles, home run, walk, 3 runs, 2 RBI
Youkilis: 2 singles, home run, 2 runs, 2 RBI
Bad news: Ellsbury was caught stealing on a fourth inning pitchout, ending his stealing streak at 24.

***

Carlos Villanueva (6.00, 71 ERA+) / Josh Beckett (4.21, 101 ERA+)

News for the week, from Benjamin:
Justin Masterson will be brought up on Tuesday, swapped with Chris Smith (who came up today). Then Masterson will return to the minors after the game, and Bartolo Colon will come up to the big league club and will pitch on Wednesday. ...

Monday:    Jon Lester /Luke Hochevar
Tuesday: Justin Masterson / Gil Meche
Wednesday: Bartolo Colon / Brett Tomko
Thursday: Daisuke Matsuzaka / Brian Bannister

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redsock said...

1. Rickie Weeks, 2B
2. Mike Cameron, CF
3. Ryan Braun, LF
4. Prince Fielder, 1B
5. Corey Hart, RF
6. J.J. Hardy, SS
7. Bill Hall, 3B
8. Jason Kendall, C
9. Tony Gwynn, Jr., DH

1. Jacoby Ellsbury, RF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
7. Jason Varitek, C
8. Coco Crisp, CF
9. Julio Lugo, SS

redsock said...

On Friday, Baseball Prospectus listed the top five teams with the best odds of making the playoffs:

Diamondbacks (83.9%)
Cubs (74.5%)
Red Sox (67.7%)
A's (66.6%)
Devil Rays (50.8 %)

redsock said...

Game is on TBS today.

L-girl said...

The Devil Rays in the playoffs and the Yankees at home! Wouldn't that be fun.

redsock said...

Only if they get the WC.

L-girl said...

My only problem with listening to MLB audio at work: not knowing when the commercials end. I can't keep the headphones on during commercials. It's too awful. Don't wait enough time, ads screaming in my ears. Wait too long, miss pitches.

L-girl said...

Only if they get the WC.

Uh, yeah. Obviously.

redsock said...

Maybe keep Gameday open. When that puts up the first pitch, check in. Radio should be behind GDGD anyway.

redsock said...

Supposed national TBS game but mlbtv has NESN!

redsock said...

L6!!!

One of the Brewers coaches has a triangle of hair under his mouth. Looks like Flexo from Futurama.

L-girl said...

Call off the fatwa: Lugo makes a good play.

L-girl said...

Maybe keep Gameday open. When that puts up the first pitch, check in. Radio should be behind GDGD anyway.

I'm working as I listen. Working, listening and threading is enough!

redsock said...

A quick game today could put 3 complete games in a 24-hour period.

L-girl said...

As the radio guys are having an orgasm over Lloyd Braun, he dongs.

redsock said...

Don said Braun had the highest slugging percentage of any rookie in baseball history last year. Is that true? I must have missed that tidbit.

L-girl said...

They've been giving a slew of stats like that. He's reached various milestones the fastest. I haven't been taking them in (work).

redsock said...

remy: "villian-a-waiver"

Jake of All Trades said...

His .634 rookie slugging beat McGwire's .618 record.

ish said...

My grandmother has been here visiting from the barren north of Aroostook County, Maine, so she's been sleeping in my bed, which keeps me out of late night game threadding. But I don't mind. That's why I read up the next day.

And so, without further a due... here are some Bullets! From the Morning After.

- I fell asleep on the couch when Milwaukee was leading 6-5. I woke up at 4:30 this morning, realized this, got pissed for a couple of moments, and then checked the score. That added some happiness. I was still pissed I didn't see it, though.

- I wondered the same thing when NESN didn't have a pregame show. Wtf mate? Then boof. There's Don and his shiny head.

- I like Dale Arnold, but I like Brother Dave better. Different strengths, etc.

- Nope. Not Ish. I heard them talking about a kid who does impressions of them who was coming to Fenway. I didn't catch that Joe met the kid at Cabella's. Lots of people from Maine at Cabella's because it's in Maine.

- Bush: ------------------------>

- I enjoyed the ovation for Kapler very much.

- Speaking of interesting names, there is an Indy Car driver named Will Power. I get confused every time they mention him.

- Let the dongs outside!

- I have a Dennis Lamp trading card.

- I think if you choose to type "201" and you're not 201, you should be ridiculed. Or docked one "201" point. Assuming someone's keeping score. Someone should win a prize at the end of the season. But still it's got to be somewhat coincedental. But if you say 201 and you hit 201... how lucky of you.

- I don't like the Honeydew donuts commercial. "I can't get my day started without a (fricken) large coffee, and a BIGGGGG bacon, egg and cheese sandwhich." Barf.

- Feels nice to impeach one Bush...

- Makes sense to me to have white uniforms for one game and red uniforms for the night. NESN was having some problems with the red, though. Looked like they were on fire.

- When I checked the score on ESPN at 4:30 this morning, I saw "S: Timlin (1)". I was astonished. And glad I was asleep for that.

- I can give the temperature in C when I've got an F temperature to work with. Like, 64° F is 18° C. But if you randomly asked me what 18° C is in F, I'd look at you cross-eyed.

- I've been thinking about how much I want Gloria Estefan to play and be DONE with that commercial since Spring Training. I'm not sure why I haven't lamented about it yet. Ooooooh Ooh la la la la la la la.

- I think Gagne would either get a huge ovation or a chorus of boos. Let's find out today!

- I start saying "oot" when I've watched too much hockey.

- There should be an all-Massachusetts-town-name team. Mike Lowell would be the MVP. I'm sure we could field a couple of teams from that. Manager would be Bob Tewksbury.

- I had a similar problem that Redsock had last night when his eyes were a bit blurry. The dong is just loving having these kittens.

- I wonder if anyone on the Titantic who saw the ice bergs thought they were pretty.

- The water is dirty TWICE! Let's make it THRICE today!

- Today's game is on NESN and TBS. So, if you're outside of New England and can't get NESN, you'll still be able to watch!

- 372 comments without me. Impressive!

/Bullets

ish said...

I walk in just in time for a run!

L-girl said...

Papi!!!

L-girl said...

Making my way through Ish's bullets...

Lots of people from Maine at Cabella's because it's in Maine.

Well I know that! I couldn't remember your name and honestly thought that was it.

L-girl said...

"Brother" Dave + "Uncle" Joe = BARF

Not the people. The nicknames.

L-girl said...

Dennis Lamp! Goes in the all-house team with Stairs, Bannister, Wall, House...

redsock said...

Brother" Dave + "Uncle" Joe = BARF

Not the people. The nicknames.


That spells BDUJ, not BARF.

...

What about TV?

"Guy Down The Street Who I Often See Watering His Lawn" Don?

redsock said...

JB dealing.

Ococ back to the garage door for that one!

L-girl said...

That spells BDUJ, not BARF.

Now don't go acting like you like that...

ish said...

I'm just giving you a hard time, L. re Cabella's.

"Guy Down The Street Who I Often See Watering His Lawn" Don?

Don "I've effectively ended my relationship with Bill Titus" Orsillo.

Those of you with the NESN feed will know what I mean.

And Heidi Watney looks very good with those big sunglasses.

L-girl said...

I'm just giving you a hard time, L. re Cabella's.

Leave it to me not to get it. :)

And Heidi Watney looks very good with those big sunglasses.

Blonde + cleavage + sports = ...

ish said...

Blonde + cleavage + sports = ...

Well, .5 cleavage probably.

/andy

L-girl said...

Nice throw by Tek?

Is Amy in the house?

redsock said...

perfect throw from tek - CS!

SoSock said...

Hi all, or you three I should say.
Just got in fromm LL complex. Man, a 15-16 hr. Saturday, then back for 3-4 more this morning. At least I didn't have to get started till 10. Only 1 softball game today, so 1 field to prep and empty all the garbage from yesterday's big "Sponsor Appreciation Day"
Now, since I've neglected my husbandly duties all weekend, I'm out to the garden to do some planting for Cathy.
Hope to be done in time to catch the last few innings.
Nice Bullets Ish, or maybe I should say Nice Bullets Heidi :>
Blonde + cleavage + sports = ...
= happy guys....sorry, sad but true.

ish said...

FY LETS THE DONGS OUTSIDE!!!

redsock said...

MIDGET DONG!!

L-girl said...

FUCK YEAH!

redsock said...

When the bases are empty, seeing

"In play, run(s)"

is nice.

SoSock said...

Glad I walked in and watched a couple more at-bats before I hit the garden!
Peds with the Power!

L-girl said...

Blonde + cleavage + sports = ...
= happy guys....sorry, sad but true.


Hey, nothing wrong with being happy. That's not my issue.

All brains and reasonable judgement out of the window...

Anyone is suddenly wildly attractive, even when she's not...

Stuff like that is sad but true. :)

ish said...

BIG PAPI LETS OUT SOME MORE DONGS!

redsock said...

WHO LET THE DONGS OUT?????

L-girl said...

Hot dong on dong action... little dong and big dong...!!!!!!!!!

SoSock said...

Wow - BTB. Love it!
Ok, gotta get outside.
Conversations from Clemmons, NC
(an ongoing series)
Me - (loudly) Hot DAMN!
Cathy - (from the bedroom) I thought you were outside planting my snap dragons.
Me - But there are double dongs on TV!
Cathy - ? (with that look, even tho I can't see it)
Me - Never mind. (as I head outside)

ish said...

Hard dong.

redsock said...

Boo.

That was our 3rd B2B this year btw.

L-girl said...

Who was what about a bad defensive team...? Brewers are none to slick, at least in these games.

redsock said...

sox coming right back

E3 and 1B

don't eff it up, capt.

redsock said...

Loaded for the Ococ-inator!

Amy said...

Wow, got in just in time for some excitement. Bases loaded, no one out!

Amy said...

Well, there were no outs but blogger ate my post, and now there is one.

Amy said...

How did the three get on base? At least Tek can't be the one to make the third out this time.

Amy said...

BTW, starting to shower here a bit, so let's get to an official game soon.

Amy said...

Well, not before we go ahead, that is.


Is anyone else here??

redsock said...

Lowell E3 -- hit to SS but ball squirted out of fielder's glove.

Yook line single to left.

Tek walk on 3-2 pitch

10 pitch AB for coco but a K

ish said...

Jere said...

I think a scrotum bunt is way dirtier than a scrotum fly. (I hope this is comment 401 so it's right on top...)

Thu Apr 10, 10:39:00 PM

Amy said...

Score tied with a walk!

L-girl said...

Thank you, Brewers Pitching!

Amy said...

All the way with LBJ!

redsock said...

yeah!

hey lyndon -- how about an inside the park grand slam?

Amy said...

YES!!

Amy said...

Stupid Lugo.

L-girl said...

That's my boy!

6-4 us!

redsock said...

lugo = bonehead.

ish said...

All the way with LBJ!

There's a long list of people who would like to go all the way with LBJ.

ish said...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Amy said...

Ish, I actually didn't mean it quite that way. It was LBJ's election slogan back in 64.

Damn, caught stealing for the first time.

At least we are ahead before the rain comes.

L-girl said...

DAMN.

They did catch him.

:<(

L-girl said...

The streak is dead! Long live the streak!

Time to work on the next 25 or 50 consecutive steals.

redsock said...

lugo gets a bases-loaded walk, he suddenly thinks he can start running all over the bases. no.

and raines's record is safe :<(

ish said...

Ish, I actually didn't mean it quite that way. It was LBJ's election slogan back in 64.

Oh, I know that. I decided to twist it around and subtley mention people like Andy, and Laura. And Tim McCarver.

L-girl said...

There's a long list of people who would like to go all the way with LBJ.

Men and women all over North America, no doubt.

(Amy, I think Ish knew what joke you were making and was making one of his own.)

ish said...

In other news, I'm creating a list of 201's, 401's and 601's.

ish said...

#1

- Times Joe Castiglione has called Prince Fielder his father's name, Cecil.

Amy said...

Sorry, Ish, I thought I was being too obscure! Guess I should never think anything is too obscure for this crowd!

L-girl said...

I just heard Cliff Lee gave up 3 runs today.

L-girl said...

His ERA ballooned to 1.17.

L-girl said...

Yeah, he's mixing up the Fielders and the Gwynns. He has already said Tony Gwynn is batting - twice.

Amy said...

Nice! FY!

L-girl said...

It would be nice if it really started to pour. Our guys could use a rest and we've already won.

Amy said...

Pretty soon he will hit it out in fair territory.

Amy said...

AS I SAID!!

ish said...

DONG BY GOD!!! VOLUME 2

redsock said...

HE IS THE LARGE FATHER!!!!!!!!!!

L-girl said...

More Papi Dongs!!!

4 RBIs today.

So far!

Amy said...

I keep trying to think of other players with baseball related names that aren't nicknames (like Lefty).

Would David Wright count, as in right field?

I haven't had much luck otherwise.

That was a fast K.

redsock said...

His name is Tony Gwynn, though. Just a Jr.

Amy said...

Ken Singleton?

L-girl said...

Anybody else having trouble w/ Red Sox radio? I lost the signal and had to switch to the Brewers station.

Amy said...

Several players named Homer. Not sure if those are nicknames or real names though.

Amy said...

Sorry, not listening to radio here. Just NESN.

L-girl said...

His name is Tony Gwynn, though. Just a Jr.

But usually when a player is a Jr and his dad played, they always say the Jr.

Oh god, do you know who I'm listening to????? Who is the Brewers anncr???

ish said...

Mmmm. The smell of freshly cut grass wafting in through the window.

...as Varitek wafts one into right field!

Amy said...

TEK!

Are their pitchers that bad, or are our bats hot again?

ish said...

You got Bob Uecker, L?

Radio is fine here, although it's gotten a tad bit statickey all of a sudden.

L-girl said...

Yup, it's Uecker. I've never heard him call a game - only do dumb (and sometimes funny) commercials.

redsock said...

Uecker was a guest in the Fox booth yesterday. Just saw on mute.

L-girl said...

Ah-ha...! But now I understand the secret of MLB Audio. If you listen to the out of town announcers, THERE ARE NO COMMERCIALS!!!!

I've seen people say this in game threads, but never got it. That's it. From now on, I will always listen to the OOT anncrs. I can keep my headphones on in between innings, my co-workers won't bother me and I'll never miss a pitch.

I am happy.

redsock said...

brawny dong -- again.

Amy said...

Hey, we aren't the only ones making up teams of players with themed names. Here is someone else's collection.

L-girl said...

"Get Up! Get Up! Get Outta Here!"

Uke's HR call. For "Brawny".

L-girl said...

The team names is an old baseball tradition, I think. The All-[something] Team.

We are not original - we are traditional.

ish said...

Frack.

Watch out for flying baseballs.

Amy said...

That's annoying. Good thing we had a 4 run lead. Had.

redsock said...

royal dong

Amy said...

Well, it was new to me. I guess I gave JOS too much credit for being original!

L-girl said...

Wait, that wasn't quite right.

Get Up! Get Up! Get Outta Here... GONNNNNE!!

Allan would want to kill this guy.

BTB Brew dongs.

L-girl said...

I guess I gave JOS too much credit for being original!

I should've let us take the credit.

redsock said...

GDGD not updating Hart. Guy must have gone to the toilet.

redsock said...

Sometimes hearing a few commercials is the better alternative.

Amy said...

I thought her list was rather amusing.

ish said...

Okay! I have some statisticals for the 201's, 401's, and 601's. (I'll have to go back over these at some point. Maybe make a scoreboard.

201's:
Ish: 10
L-Girl: 8
Redsock: 5
Amy: 3
sarah gates: 2
Chief: 1
Nixon33: 1
Jere: 1
Tim: 1
s1c: 1
joe grav: 1
andy: 1
patrick: 1

ish said...

401's

Redsock: 4
L-Girl: 4
Amy: 3
Ish: 2
Jere: 1
Tim: 1
s1c: 1
Phil: 1

ish said...

601's:

Ish: 1
Redsock: 1


False Calls

Ish: 4
Redsock: 1
L-Girl: 1
joe grav: 1


Correct Calls
Ish: 4
joe grav: 1

redsock said...

Any list of top homoerotic baseball names that does not include Dick Pole is worthless.

redsock said...

shit-house in for milw.

ish said...

Total 2-4-601's...

Ish: 13
L-Girl: 12
Redsock: 10
Amy: 6
Jere: 2
Tim: 2
s1c: 2
sarah gates: 2
joe grav: 2
Chief: 1
Nixon33: 1
andy: 1
patrick: 1
Phil: 1

ish said...

Time for me to retire from the game thread for the day. I desperately need that second TV.

Amy said...

Now, Ish, how many times did the Sox win when each of us got the 201. See who is the real lucky charm! (I predict you will have the most wins and the highest percentage.)

Amy said...

Quiet game thread today. Must be a lot of people watching the Celtics game. Or enjoying the nice weather.

SoSock said...

It's rainin, it's pouring.
The old man is....
watching baseball instead of planting in the flower garden :)
Knockd out of garden duty by a thundershower.
You know I hate THAT! :>

L-girl said...

I had to leave to get an iced coffee. (It's 90 F in here again.) What did I miss?

L-girl said...

Ish: 13
L-Girl: 12
Redsock: 10


Three way race...

redsock said...

mdc up -- and was up last inning.

Amy said...

Allan and Laura, not sure if you saw it, but the NYTimes summer travel magazine today has an article about the "cottage" vacations on the lakes in Ottawa.

L-girl said...

How'd he do? I don't even have a score.

L-girl said...

I didn't see it because... I gave up the Sunday Times when we moved. :)

A lifelong addiction - cold turkey. It had been more a burden than a joy for a long time.

L-girl said...

Do you mean the lakes in Ontario?

redsock said...

now unlike some posters (coughishcough, i don't start commenting extra when we get to 190 or 390 ... if i have something to say i'll post, otherwise, i have other stuff to do.

so i'm probably the best right now.

Amy said...

It's about a region called Muskoka. Is that where you went?

Maybe it's available on line?

Amy said...

I meant Ontario. So hard for us dumb Americans to keep all those provinces straight.

SoSock said...

Nice inning by Beckett.
MDC next?

L-girl said...

Muskoka is not where we went, but it's one of the very popular cottage areas in Ontario.

(You had said Ottawa, that's a city, the capital.)

It's probly available online, but I don't need it. Thanks anyway.

Amy said...

Also, Georgian Bay. Interesting history of the areas as vacation escapes for Toronto.

redsock said...

MDC next?

Looks that way.

SoSock said...

Yooooooooooooooooooooooooooook!

Amy said...

YOUKKKK!

Big dong day. DONG DONG DONG DONG.

L-girl said...

yoooooooooooooooook

redsock said...

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOK

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

heng brothers said...

Celtics up 18-13 after one.

Amy said...

Yeah, I knew that. It's the capital. Just being sloppy and lazy. It's Sunday.

L-girl said...

Georgian Bay is directly north of us. Lots of cottages and also recently pricey condos.

It was a destination on the underground railroad, has some interesting African-American history connections.

redsock said...

remy: "red sox offense continues to be on fire."

SoSock said...

cap'n my cap'n

L-girl said...

A half dong for Tek!

Love this Brewers pitching...

redsock said...

stupid 1-2-3 sox 2nd inning.

L-girl said...

This is the pitcher's ML debut? Oh geez.

Amy said...

No mention of that history in this article. It does say that Muskoka has become very upscale and that real people (whoever they are ) now prefer Georgian Bay as more authentic. Sounds lovely up there.

SoSock said...

I believe he's toast.

redsock said...

gagne chant returns!

Amy said...

This is starting to make me feel sorry for the Brewers pitchers.

redsock said...

difelice -- the 2nd pitcher -- was the debut guy.

SoSock said...

I have to admit - I like the lizards dancingto "Thriller" for that water co.

redsock said...

missed the replay but don/jerry note that slugo was not hit by the pitch

heng brothers said...

In St. Louis, the Rays lead the Cardinals in the bottom of the 6th, 3-1. The Cardinals have the bases loaded against J.P. Howell.

L-girl said...

DeFelice is who I meant.

heng brothers said...

Howell works out of it, 3-1 Rays going to the seventh.

redsock said...

i meant to check the rays score - thanks.

SoSock said...

8 HR in last 31 ab - pretty impressive.
Hopefully MDC's more so.

redsock said...

bot and hansen up.

Amy said...

I certainly am glad we have a five run cushion because MDC is not impressing me.

SoSock said...

I can live with that.

Amy said...

Four run cushion. But two outs.

redsock said...

curve in the dirt = prince K!

one more, manny.

Amy said...

Who will pitch the 9th? Hansen?

SoSock said...

MDC - not bad, nice regroup after the 2 leadoff hits

SoSock said...

With 4 run lead - I'd go Hansen, but I'm not in charge. :)

SoSock said...

nice catch.....dammit

redsock said...

11 runs
14 hits

and nothing for manny.

L-girl said...

Manny joins the hit parade.

Sarah Gates said...

Hey Gang! Looks like I've missed some fun today while I was out do-goodering.

redsock said...

i was thinking hansen too. nesn not saying who is up and/or ready.

Amy said...

What do-goodering was that, Sarah?

Amy said...

Tek's BA getting up there. 281

redsock said...

Almost up to Lugo's .287!

L-girl said...

AIDS Walk? How was it?

redsock said...

old yeller up with bot?

L-girl said...

NOW would be an ok time for WF to close.

L-girl said...

Bob Uecker is so awful. I can't believe how bad he is.

redsock said...

my last comemnt was not anti-tek, but pro-lugo (sort of) since his avg and obp are far from the worst in the lineup.

SoSock said...

Who's got Ueker?
I'm on TBS

Sarah Gates said...

AIDS Walk NY - my team raised $55k! Which is pretty awesome, since we're just a bunch of college friends. Most of the teams in that range (all five of them) are big corporations with hundreds of members.

redsock said...

and it wasn't even my last comment. the lugo 287 one.

L-girl said...

Lugo v Tek, it shows you how people's perceptions are so different for different players.

Granted Tek has a lot more credit with fans, good reason for that.

Here comes the Bot.

Sarah Gates said...

It was great, Laura. We were towards the head of the pack this year, so we actually walked the first third, rather than participating in what I like to call AIDS Shuffle. We got back before the rain started and everything.

I am looking forward to soaking my feet later though!

L-girl said...

55K!!! That is friggin amazing. Good on you.

We went on several AIDS Walks, it's great in NYC.

Also wasn't there a year we were too hungover and just said we went...?

L-girl said...

"rather than participating in what I like to call AIDS Shuffle."

Ha, very true! It's like Rockefeller Center at Xmas time. (I used to work there on weekends... don't get me started...!)

L-girl said...

Sosock, I am listening thru MLB Audio at work. The Sox feed crapped out and I had to change to Brewers radio.

But now I'm sticking with it - no commercials! I'm going with the out of town anncrs from now on.

Amy said...

I think most people's complaints with Lugo right now are with his fielding.

Tek's hitting is decent lately, and he has done well defensively as well.

I am not comparing them. I think that if Lugo starts fielding more cleanly, people will not complain about his hitting.

redsock said...

bot pitching to contact.

Amy said...

Sounds good, Sarah. I take it there was a good turnout.

Amy said...

NICE dive!

L-girl said...

I owe Castig an apology. Uecker calls Tony Gwynn Jr "Tony Gwynn" too.

Not Tony Gwynn Two.

Sarah Gates said...

I used to work there on weekends... don't get me started...!

Eww. Just... eww.

SoSock said...

correct me if I'm wrong, but...

redsock said...

LYNDON DIVING ACROSS THE LINE!!!

phil said...

Good times.

Sarah Gates said...

THAT was beautiful. Even on my teeny phone screen.

L-girl said...

"I think most people's complaints with Lugo right now are with his fielding."

I think the Lugo-haters complain about both - say he can't hit or field.

Amy said...

So why is Pap in? To get some throwing in? We all thought Hansen.

L-girl said...

Eww. Just... eww.

During the holidays, I could not go outside. 12 hour days, Sat & Sun, and could not leave the building b/c of the crowds, from Thanksgiving til after New Year's.

It would take me an extra hour to get home, just from the crowds.

OK, I said I wouldn't start, sorry...

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