June 2, 2009

G52: Red Sox 5, Tigers 1

Red Sox - 102 002 000 - 5  9  0
Tigers - 100 000 000 - 1 9 2
Dice (5-6-1-3-6, 96) pitched out of two serious jams and after a trio of Red Sox relievers tossed three perfect innings, Jonathan Papelbon needed 35 pitches to get through the ninth: three singles followed by three strikeouts.

Boston grabbed a 1-0 lead six pitches into the game. Dustin Pedroia doubled to left on a 1-0 pitch and scored when J.D. Drew singled to center on a 1-2 count. Dice walked Clete Thomas to start the home first and Placido Polanco singled. Magglio Ordonez GIDP, but Miguel Cabrera and Curtis Granderson singled. Dice struck out Brandon Inge for the third out.

The Red Sox took a 3-1 lead in the third when Drew singled and Bay smashed a one-out, two-run dong to left, his 16th tater of the year.

Matsuzaka walked the 8th and 9th hitters (on 16 pitches) to start the Detroit fifth, but struck out Thomas, got Polanco to line out to left and fanned Ordonez.

The Sox scored twice off relievers Ryan Perry and Brandon Lyon in the sixth on three walks, a single and a bases-loaded HBP.

Manny Delcarmen pitched a 1-2-3 sixth, Hideki Okajima retired the four batters he faced and Ramon Ramirez got the final two hitters in the eighth. In the ninth, Bot allowed a broken bat single to Cabrera (cbsb), a line drive single to left by Granderson (bbf) and a ground single to left by Inge (f). Bases loaded, no one out.

Josh Anderson battled through an 11-pitch at-bat (ffffbfffff), but chased a high fastball for strike three. Pinch-hitter Jeff Larish whiffed on an inside heater (bbff) and Ramon Santiago (bbcs) struck out on gas to end the game.

David Ortiz slapped an opposite-field single in the second inning, but grounded to first (a 3635 DP) to end the third and struck out in his last three at-bats. ... Jacoby Ellsbury reached base four times: an infield error, two singles and an intentional walk. ... Jason Varitek singled, doubled and walked.

***

Daisuke Matsuzaka (8.82, 55 ERA+) / Rick Porcello (3.48, 134 ERA+)

The Red Sox (29-22), who trail the Yankees (30-21) by one game, visit Comerica Park for three games against the AL Central-leading Tigers.

(New York hosts the Rangers, who are 4.5 GA of the Angels in the AL West. LAA is playing in Toronto.)

Last season, Dice held hitters to an MLB-best .164 average with runners in scoring position. Everyone knew the Houdini act could not last. In his four starts this year, hitters are batting .400 (10-for-25) with RISP. He has still pitched far better with the bases empty:
              PA    AVG   OBP   SLG    OPS
Runners On 47 .297 .413 .432 .845
Bases Empty 39 .472 .513 .889 1.402
Although he dropped Jacoby Ellsbury to the 8th spot in Sunday's lineup and led off with Dustin Pedroia and J.D. Drew, Terry Francona says any changes are not an attempt to jump-start the offense or based on a hunch:
I think that that goes against everything I believe in. I think the one thing I'm supposed to be is consistent and that goes against that. ... We are getting to the point where we're 50 games into the season and I think the numbers start meaning something. ... We need to have our on-base guys for the guys in the middle of the order. ... Sometimes when we don't score, you can look at a lot of things. It's a little easy to get mixed up, so I just try to sit back and think, "OK, what can help us?" without forgetting what can hurt us.
Tito also said "there is a pretty decent chance" Mark Kotsay (9-for-26 for the PawSox) would be activated tonight. Jeff Bailey likely would be sent back to Pawtucket.

MLB.com:
How does Porcello [a 6-5, 200 RHP] follow up a 5-0 May? Continuing the unbeaten streak into June would be an impressive step. In addition to being the first Tigers pitcher since John Doherty in 1984 to win five or more games in a month, the impressive rookie has posted a 1.50 ERA during his current five-game winning streak. According to Elias Sports Bureau, that makes Porcello -- at 20 years, 151 days old -- the second-youngest pitcher in Major League history to go 5-0 with an ERA of 1.50 or better in any five-start span (the Mets' Dwight Gooden went 5-0 with a 1.43 ERA in five starts at age 19 in 1984). ... He's worked seven innings only once in his nine starts, a clear sign that the Tigers will take a conservative approach and not overwork him.
BP 2009:
Porcello was universally seen as one of the top pitching prospects in the game before he threw a pitch as a professional, and in his pro debut, he led the Florida State League in ERA as a teenager. Yet, for some reason, his season was categorized by some as a disappointment, mostly due to a low strikeout rate. However, the Tigers limited him by only allowing a small number of breaking balls per start and had him focus on his low-90s sinker rather than his monster four-seam fastball. Despite this deliberate pair of handicaps, we repeat: he still led the league in ERA.
Porcello's highest pitch count total of the season has been 95; he's been between 82 and 89 in seven of his nine starts (log).

***

John Smoltz pitched five innings (5-4-1-0-6, 73) for Greenville (A) on Sunday, allowing one run on four hits to the Charleston RiverDogs. Smoltz struck out his final three batters.
I don't think I'm far away. Today was more a familiar pitching that I thought I was capable of the last month, two months. For the most part, I'm really pleased with today's effort. I felt really fresh in the fifth inning, even though it's the longest stint I've had.
Smoltz's next two starts are expected to be with Pawtucket.

Jon Lester was the first Boston lefty to strike out at least 12 batters while allowing three hits or fewer since Roger Moret (9-1-0-2-12) on August 21, 1974. All three of the hits allowed by Lester on Sunday were infield singles.

The Red Sox executed their first two sacrifice bunts of the season on Sunday; by contrast, Seattle has 26. ... Steve Buckley of the Herald checks in with Portland starter Junichi Tazawa (2.82 in 10 starts). ... In his June 1 mailbag, MLB.com's Ian Browne writes: "I could see [Jed Lowrie] being back in the lineup in about three weeks."

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laura k said...

I wanted to go to these games in Detroit, but it didn't work out. Boo.

I'll have to settle for two games at Fenway and one in Toronto this season.

Zenslinger said...

Oatmeal lumps reveal LBJ batting eighth again.

1. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
2. J.D. Drew, RF
3. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
4. Jason Bay, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. David Ortiz, DH
7. Jason Varitek, C
8. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
9. Nick Green, SS
-- Daisuke Matsuzaka, RHP

9casey said...

Lugo must be in the doghouse.....

tim said...

No Lugo... :-)

Hoping for a quick return to the gamethreads, friends. I'm currently on the schoolwork DL - ton of stuff been going on for the past month or so.

Zenslinger said...

A lot of talk burbling on Sons of Sam Horn and elsewhere about the Sox trading for a hitter.

Is a Nick Johnson worth it? Not much power, but awesome OBP. He could cycle through DH/1B, sitting Ortiz against RHP (Johnson or Lowell as DH) and giving Lowell days off he might well need vs. lefties (Johnson plays 1B, Youk at 3B). His injury history, of course, is bad.

There's even talk of blowing off major prospects (including Jed) to get Hanley Ramirez back. He's signed through 2014. Whether it's Theo talking about it or just sports writers, I don't know. That would be huge.

Some kind of shakeup on the way?

allan said...

Everything I read says that FLA will absolutely not trade Hanley, so everyone should stop saying "Get it done Theo!"

Jere said...

I know, why would Florida trade their marquee player just cuz we really want him.....

Eck tonite.

allan said...

tigers feed on EI, but NESN on a rogers channel!

Jere said...

way to rip DP

Anonymous said...

I lived in Detroit for 2007 while going to grad school at Wayne State u. I went to 2 games there, one Dice-K loss in extreme heat in July.

allan said...

FUCK YEAH!

nice start

Anonymous said...

The other game was Verlander's no-hitter against MIL, I decided to go see an interleague contest for the heck of it and then THAT HAPPENED!

Unknown said...

Well, that's a good way to start the game.

Now someone drive him in.

Rob said...

Quick 1-0 lead!

Jere said...

hooray for quick runs

allan said...

there's a run!

Unknown said...

Fire!

Jere said...

Didn't this pitcher used to be in Youth of Today?

Rob said...

Interesting out-call by the first base ump.

He didn't go for that straight shot. He went for more of an upper right-hand jab.

This ump punches like a girl. :P

laura k said...

I save the day (night) by finding NESN.

Jere said...

one half inning, one missed pitch for NESN

Unknown said...

And now the question: Which version of Dice-K are we getting tonight?

allan said...

there's more than one version?

Jere said...

TEX had man on third, one out, could not score vs Ass Job Burnett

allan said...

there goes the no-walker

Unknown said...

"there's more than one version?"

I certainly hope there is, or this is going to be a long season.

Unknown said...

Oh look, a leadoff walk.

Zenslinger said...

I know, why would Florida trade their marquee player just cuz we really want him.....Buchholz, Lowrie, and more.

Plus, after next year, it's going to get difficult for the Marlins to pay his salary.

I'm not saying it's likely.

Unknown said...

Optimism fading quickly.

DP please?

Jere said...

key dp. Maggli-slo

Zenslinger said...

My stomach is flipping due to the roller coaster we're on...already.

Unknown said...

Alright, nicely done.

Now get the third out.

laura k said...

What rollercoaster?

laura k said...

tied, bah

Unknown said...

Or not...

Unknown said...

Well, I guess the one good thing is that he's only giving up singles so far.

laura k said...

Out please!

laura k said...

Oh, thanks.

Zenslinger said...

26-pitch inning.

Yarrrrrgh.

Jere said...

We're lookin' at 9-9 after 9.

Unknown said...

Any chance we can get that lead back?

Jere said...

Yanks strand 2, 0-0 after 1.

allan said...

and dice at 234 pitches

Jere said...

eat it shifty

Unknown said...

Papi base hit!

Jere said...

2 opp fie in a ro

laura k said...

singles are good, if they keep coming

allan said...

opp field action

lets go lyndon

Unknown said...

Alright Lyndon, drive some runs in here.

Or at least don't ground into a double play.

Jere said...

technically that's 3 opposite field hits in a row. Unless they call an E on that...

Unknown said...

Alright, do not waste a bases-loaded opportunity.

Jere said...

Why was Green hacking there? Make the kid throw a strike with bases loaded.

Jere said...

and it is an E on that other play. I thought it should have been one.

Rob said...

Daaaaamn. So much for that huh?

Unknown said...

Bleh

allan said...

porcello being dice

Rob said...

Squirrgil!!

Jere said...

It could be an elephant walking around out there and Drew would just have that same expression on his face.

Jere said...

savingsquirrels.com!!!!

laura k said...

Good thing Tala is watching the game. She works full-time chasing squirrels.

laura k said...

Squirrel on the field and savingsquirrels.com is behind the plate???

allan said...

i would like to see a list of pitchers and what % of their innings are 1-2-3? where does dice rank?

laura k said...

That was supposed to say "good thing Tala is NOT watching the game". duh

Rob said...

Eck loves gas!

allan said...

eck loves gas!

Anonymous said...

Castig going on about The Sopranos since one of the actors threw out the 1st pitch.

Jere said...

Nolan Ryan 277 WP

Jere said...

My NESN's in 3-D or something.

laura k said...

embarrassing! walking on ball 3

Jere said...

Wait, they even announced the next batter after the guy thought it was ball 4.... it sounded like

Tom DePlonty said...

He can't finish the inning...he hasn't loaded the bases yet.

Unknown said...

Very inefficient so far.

Third out please?

Zenslinger said...

Wha' happened?

Jere said...

Yanks continue their streak of runs scoring on balls off fielders' gloves. That's 3 in a row, one tonight.

laura k said...

Did you just see an ad where they close up on a guy's face, and then you see his whiskers, like cartoon whiskers who are waiting to be shaved? YUUUUUCK

laura k said...

I think we must have Canadian ads, as here's a Conservative ad bashing the Liberal leader. So you probably didn't see the whiskers.

Jere said...

no I saw Mayor Menino, talking about...I don't know what.

Jere said...

ablaze

Rob said...

L, Letric Shave?

DUMB.

Jere said...

I was gonna say, I love this stuff...UNLESS IT MEANS MISSING PITCHES. And sure enough, the next pitch, we don't see.

laura k said...

I guess it's a Cdn feed. I don't know what the ad was for. It was just gross!

Unknown said...

Or...GDGD fucks it up.

Whatever

laura k said...

DOUNG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rob said...

DOOUUNNNGGGGGG HOMRE CANADA THUNDER BAY!!!!

etc.

Woo!

Jere said...

da aa aa aa aa aa aa aah

tim said...

Le dongé!

Anonymous said...

That may have reached his native country!

Unknown said...

THUNDER!

laura k said...

i heart bay

Jere said...

you deserve that Porcello

tim said...

Come on Papi...as of today I have more dongs than you in my summer softball league! Tie me!

Rob said...

Breaking News: Mysterious baseball lands in downtown Thunder Bay. Origin unknown. Investigation ongoing.

tim said...

Ah fuck. Not who I want in a rundown.

Jere said...

The Yanks' streak of scoring on balls off gloves is over...because they scored ON A BALK! Goddamit. 2-0.

Anonymous said...

Come on Mike, I know you arn't that slow; IDK why he wasn't off on contact?

allan said...

when bay really tags one, he has this thing where he has the bat pointed down to the ground, he is looking out to the bleachers and takes 2-3 steps towards first. i love it.

it is sort of like millar's head duck and beginning trot to first after a walk -- made famous in 2004.

Jere said...

The force was off when the guy touched first so Mike tried the rundown route instead of sliding into a waiting tag.

Jere said...

re: Bay's dongs: ha, that's the Esaskian thing I mentioned once. I love it too. Of course, Esasky doing it like that may be all in my mind, but I think it was kinda similar.

Rob said...

I love the look on Bay's face when he really tags one. He's like "OOOOOHHH!!"

Jere said...

DP DP

tim said...

I may as well get in on the Bay lovefest as well.

Fuck ya!

---

Anyway, yeah, I love Jay Bay!

tim said...

I also love pirated MLB.TV!

laura k said...

Ish, I just saw the ad again, it is Letric shave. When they close up on his beard before it becomes a cartoon, it just squicks me!

laura k said...

Last season there was an ad for some toenail fungus treatment. A cartoon toe and fungus. The fungus lifted up the toenail to jump underneath it, and it just made me totally sick. I had to look away every time.

laura k said...

Tim, we have NESN on Rogers SportsNet tonight. Channel 74 in our area.

allan said...

so nesn shows a 2-hour version of the game at midnight.

why not show the whole game? why cut it down?

what the fuck does nesn have slotted into the 2 AM spot that is so important?

Rob said...

Jacoby Vroom.

laura k said...

I think they're only allowed to show re-runs in 2 hours. More stupid MLB rules.

Rob said...

Eck on Ellsbury: "He's gonna steal bases no matter where he's hitting in the lineup."

tim said...

That sounds gross, L (the fungus thing). Makes me puke in my mouth a little.

Woo, LBJ!

Also I've yet to purchase a TV so still streaming games! The slingbox is down though, going to check that tomorrow at my pops' place.

Jere said...

Maybe it's just the stance/swing with the high hands that reminds me of Vertigo Boy. And they're both right-handed white guys who came from the NL and hit many dongs for us in a year ending in 9. Here are the stances:

Bay.

Esasky.

Rob said...

There have been full replays of games on NESN. The difference is it'll say "Sox in 2" obviously for the 2 hour replay. The full replay will say "Double Play", both shown on the screen at the lower right.

laura k said...

Really? I thought they weren't allowed to re-b'cast full length games. Hmm.

allan said...

tex 3-2

9casey said...

Jere said...
I know, why would Florida trade their marquee player just cuz we really want him.....


Because Fla. knows you need pitching too just not 1 marquee player........Now Git er Done Theo

tim said...

Wow, ton of empty seats there.

Rob said...

L it seems to me as if they don't edit them down at all.

I don't understand at all why MLB makes these rules. How does it make sense?

laura k said...

I'm still annoyed we're not there tonight. It's an easy 4-hr drive from our place - I really enjoyed it last year. Next year I hope.

Jere said...

Burnout throwing 21 pitches per inning thru 3.

9casey said...

tim said...
Wow, ton of empty seats there.



CHB said they are down 10,000 per game.....

tim said...

I liked the replays NESN used to show that were the last pitch of every at bat and resultant play. It was like the whole game in 20 or 30 mins.

laura k said...

It's hard to buy tickets to a baseball game when you're unemployed.

Jere said...

That might be Breakfast with the Red Sox. It's only one hour.

9casey said...

tim said...
I liked the replays NESN used to show that were the last pitch of every at bat and resultant play. It was like the whole game in 20 or 30 mins.



Geez, Tim you might as well just watch spotscenter

9casey said...

or sportscenter,

allan said...

why are mlb such nazis about getting any and all 8-second clips of games removed from youtube?

they are idiots.

tim said...

Yeah, I heard the Red Wings were hurting as well, trying to sell PLAYOFF seats. Wonder how the sales have been for the finals...

I would've enjoyed going down to a game or two there as well...damn school.

Jere said...

"It's hard to buy tickets to a baseball game when you're unemployed."

I never let it stop me!

laura k said...

Ish, I don't know, it must have something to do with ad revenues. I guess.

tim said...

9c, don't you mean Basketball/Football-center?

9casey said...

L-girl said...
It's hard to buy tickets to a baseball game when you're unemployed.



They said GM couldn't pay for that sign in Center but the owner let them keep it there and also added the Ford and Chrysler sign...

Jere said...

My last comment was meant to be in sort of a Henny Youngman style. Not a "you assholes, buy tickets anyway!" way.

Rob said...

Haha Granderson. How many outs are there? lmao.

laura k said...

That was a DP?!?! Ha ha ha ha

Jere said...

9-4-3 on that? I looked down.

Benjamin said...

That doubleplay was Natinals-esque.

allan said...

mlb did that: condensed games, last pitch of every AB, 20 minutes. they don't offer those anymore.

Benjamin said...

Can't count balls. Can't count outs.

tim said...

All sports leagues are idiots. Shutting down streams of games and removing clips from the internet. Deny the fans the ability to watch/follow their team or relive kickass plays. Ugh.

WTF was granderson smoking there?

Jere said...

Maybe I didn't mean Henny Youngman. I just meant it was supposed to be, like, a joke. With a "hey-oh" at the end. Okay, done.

laura k said...

Or as they say in Canada, Sportscentre.

Which we like to pronounce sports-sentry.

Amy said...

Good evening, all.

Unknown said...

We're getting a lot of luckily-timed double plays.

Whatever, I'll take it.

Jere said...

ooh, third missed pitch, in the fifth. Great ratio, NESN!

laura k said...

Jere, I'm glad you explained that one! :)

tim said...

Hey Amy!

And Sportscentre totally > Sportscenter.

Zenslinger said...

Hard to believe Drew is batting only .258. Seems to have hit the ball pretty well this year.

Rob said...

I can imagine it'd be weird and sort of risky to drive around the Detroit area in a foreign car these days. Any days but especially these days. But I wouldn't know.

laura k said...

"All sports leagues are idiots."

This does seem to be true. They create so many hurdles between the teams and their fans.

Rob said...

Eck did very well reading the Amica pitch zone promo. Yay!

laura k said...

hi amy

Amy said...

I see DiceK has run up his pitch count as usual. I have to say that when I heard he was pitching, I was not disappointed to miss a few innings. But not complaining---obviously the Houdini act is working tonight.

laura k said...

I just devoured a bowl of delicious strawberries.

And I posted this in honour of Amy (off-topic) and Ish (food).

Amy said...

LOL, Laura. Am I so predictably off topic? My mind just wanders while the rest of you are paying attention to announcers and ads.

Jere said...

MLB should just offer up every game there is for free. The dream is to go to any boxscore on retrosheet or BBRef, and there'd be a little square ON the page, and you could press play and watch the whole game. Games with no TV or pre-TV could have the radio call. Others could have photos. Mind you, this would require a new Internet.

Jere said...

I planted strawberries a few weeks ago. Just today I saw some miniscule leaves in that spot. It's either a coincidence, or they're finally coming up.

laura k said...

My dream used to be, to be able to do any business I needed to do 24 hrs a day, any day of the week, and to do all my shopping without ever going into a store. Now it's almost possible.

Jere said...

I looooove Jeff Suppan, ha

laura k said...

Well Amy, put it this way, you're always happy to follow any comment in any direction, and to fill in information as needed.

Rob said...

Speaking of food, I just finished eating a thin-crust BBQ chicken pizza made by UNO... BBQ type pizza sauce: Check. Cheese. Check. Very tasty grilled chicken: Check. Crispy thin-crust: Check.

At this point we have an amazing little pizza here. But as food manufacturers and restaurants always seem to go, they feel like they need to complicate it and bring down the quality by adding red onions. Because a BBQ chicken pizza without red onions is too simple, I guess.

Amy said...

I totally agree with the shopping without ever going into a store idea. I hate shopping, especially in malls. In fact, Harvey used to take the girls shopping when they were little because he knew how cranky it made me.

And there I go, talking about non-baseball matters!

laura k said...

We had a great thin-crust pizza last night, with garlic and black olives. Yum.

Rob said...

I love walking in grocery stores. I don't mind walking around in malls unless I'm stuck there waiting for someone else.

Unfortunately I live with shopaholics!

Rob said...

At least I could pick the black olives off. Onions are sneaky little devils.

laura k said...

It's good to know other women who hate shopping. I also hate shopping. I can't believe (and can't stand) how many people shop for recreation.

Jere said...

I was just at Modern (Theo's favorite of the New Haven pizza places) this weekend. Gorged my fucking face with pizza.

s1c said...

Man I will be glad when the next two weeks are over, these award presentations and other stuff is causing me to miss my sox games.

Amy said...

Unfortunately, my daughters love shopping. I think they have my mother's gene for that. Somehow it skipped right over me.

DiceK walks the leadoff batter. Argghh.

Rob said...

Others shop for therapy. They buy things they don't need to make themselves feel better. Or to give them a sense of purpose.

laura k said...

I sometimes feel like a freak of nature, a woman who hates shopping. And doesn't care about shoes.

Amy said...

I care about shoes. I care that they are COMFORTABLE. End of story. I cannot wear heels to save my life, and if I could wear sneakers or sandals every day, that would be fine with me.

Shopping gives me a headache. The internet has added years to my life by sparing me those headaches!

Benjamin said...

Throw strikes, asshole.

Jere said...

Try being a baseball fan who doesn't drink alcohol and doesn't eat meat.

Amy said...

And DiceK does it again. He sure irritates me.

Rob said...

This is absurd. Walking the 8-9 men, throwing a thousand pitches to them. If you want to give yourself a challenge, just plunk three, load the bases and pitch. GAH!!!!

Jere said...

I heard Dice once walked a man just for snorin' too loud.

Rob said...

Or just being a guy who doesn't like beer.

laura k said...

Amy, same here.

Jere, same idea.

One reason JoS is so good for me is knowing other progressive/liberal baseball fans. I often know one or the other but not both at once.

allan said...

Try being a baseball fan who doesn't drink alcohol and doesn't eat meat.

Sounds like hell, honestly.

Benjamin said...

Much better.

s1c said...

How can you not like beer?

laura k said...

"I heard Dice once walked a man just for snorin' too loud."

LOL!!!!!!!

This is up there with brak brak. We are cracking up.

Benjamin said...

Try being a baseball fan who doesn't drink alcohol and doesn't eat meat.

What's wrong with alcohol? I mean besides the intoxication and carcinogenic properties.

Jere said...

"Sounds like hell, honestly."

I'm quite happy and healthy, thanks.

laura k said...

It's good to thread heavily during his starts. It distracts from the frustration.

Rob said...

"How can you not like beer?"

See?

laura k said...

It would be hell to Allan.

I can't imagine life without wine. I'd be very sad.

Rob said...

I've switched channels and put the game on the little TV. Stanley Cup final on the big TV now. Gah Dice-K.

laura k said...

Alcohol is not a carcinogen.

Amy said...

I live without meat, and I could live without alcohol, though I do enjoy the buzz and the taste. However, living without ice cream is unthinkable.

Benjamin said...

29 pitch inning.

allan said...

dice toying with the tigers fans. walking the scrubs, nailing the hitters. we forget this is how he operates.

Jere said...

"How can you not like beer?"

See for me, it's the opposite. To each her own.

s1c said...

Black cherry with chocolate chip, is being dished up right now for me. mmmm

Rob said...

I love my meat. I can't imagine being a vegetarian. But I can understand it. I had thoughts when I sat down and had ribs, beef brisket and pulled pork in front of me at a BBQ joint last weekend.

Amy said...

Yes, I think without threads I would just not watch DiceK pitch. The radio might be easier to take. Not sure.

Benjamin said...

Alcohol is not a carcinogen.

WHO lists it as a Group 1 carcinogen.

I'm going to brew some apfelwein as soon as I get my new basement, though.

laura k said...

Jere, I thought you have never drunk alcohol at all. Which is a totally fine choice, but then, you wouldn't know if you liked it or not. Your choice not to drink would not be because you don't like it, but based on something else, I assume.

Amy said...

Sounds good, S1C. I had something called Lobster Tracks tonight---vanilla ice cream with chunks of chocolate and caramel. Somehow the caramel was red (probably a carcinogen there), and since I am on the Cape, they called it Lobster Tracks. Kosher Lobster Tracks. :)

laura k said...

I disagree with WHO on that, as do many, many doctors. The jury is still out on that one, IMO.

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