April 17, 2008

G17: Red Sox 7, Yankees 5

Red Sox - 014 020 000 - 7 13  0
Yankees - 000 030 002 - 5 8 1
Josh goes 8!! 8-6-3-1-5, 105.

Manny hit home runs in each of his first two plate appearances (and scored three runs). Youkilis, Pedroia, Drew and Varitek each had two hits.

Moose Being Moose: 3-7-5-0-1, 77.

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Josh Beckett (6.35, 70 ERA+) / Mike Mussina (4.15, 101 ERA+)

Dear Josh: Please give us more than 5 innings. If you gave us 7, you'd be the first starter to do so this season. We would like that.

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Rob said...

Wait, have we really not had a starter go to the 7th, or was that an exaggeration?

Wow...

Jack Marshall said...

It's not all in Josh's hands, however. 1)It would be nice if the Sox got an umpire who wasn't squeezing the strike zone, adding to pitch count. Wake and Buchholtz were really victimized that last two nights. 2)A solid lead would help, given Tito's proclivity to bale on his starters in close games 3)The 6th seems to be the point where Francona takes pitchers out when he doesn't have to. How often have you seen a Francona starter end with a couple of strikeouts and still be yanked? In the old days, that literally never happened, and there's no reason why it has to in 2007.

Amy said...

My thoughts exactly. Imagine what it would be like NOT to have to see either Tavarez or Timlin or Lopez tonight....

redsock said...

Dice - 5
Lester - 4
Dice - 6.2
Lester - 6.2
Wakefield - 6
Clay - 5
Beckett - 4.2
Dice - 6.2
Lester - 5.1
Wake - 5
Clay - 6
Beckett - 6.2
Dice - 5
Lester 4.1
Wake - 6
Clay - 3.2

Devine said...

Yeah, as much as this contradicts my old attitude...I think he should sometimes leave the starters in a bit longer than he has recently. The bullpen's going to be gassed by July if this keeps up.

Rob...they've made it through 6.67 innings, but never got the third out in the seventh.

How about 8 innings, huh, Beckett? That would be SO sweet.

redsock said...

1)It would be nice if the Sox got an umpire who wasn't squeezing the strike zone, adding to pitch count.

I was more aware of Sox getting squeezed, but I do recall that we got some gifts last night.

redsock said...

I can't remember thinking that Tito has had a quick hook with the starters this year.

I have noticed that he seems to not let a reliver flounder out there quite as much. A slightly quicker hook than in the past.

Patrick said...

Jack, I disagree. On the third point, that is. From what I've seen, Tito's pull of the starters usually has to do with the pitch count and who is coming up. I've been getting a little upset at how long he can leave Dice-K in for.

This team is playing deep into October and I want all of my starters fresh and pumped for the occasion.

nixon33 said...

we need to light up the moose tonight.
fuck that guy.

redsock said...

AB: "Bryan Corey, who was designated for assignment to make room for Mike Timlin last Friday, has elected to take free agency."

tim said...

today's Beat the Streak pick:

the little engine that could (Pedroyica, Fuck Yeah!)

im on a 4 game tear - and that includes the 2nd CLE game in which i picked TEK not knowing that it was a wakefield start - thank god for that 9th inning dongeroo

redsock said...

I'm a Public Enemy but I don't rob banks
I don't shoot bullets and I don't shoot blanks
My style is supreme -- number one is my rank
And I got more power than the New York Yanks ...
My Oatmeal Weighs A Ton


Ellsbury, CF
Pedroia, 2B
Ortiz, DH
Ramirez, LF
Youkilis, 3B
Drew, RF
Varitek, C
Casey, 1B
Lugo, SS

Damon, LF
Jeter, SS
Abreu, RF
Rodriguez, 3B
Giambi, 1B
Posada, DH
Cano, 2B
Cabrera, CF
Moeller, C

9casey said...

Jesus , how does Tito get any blame for the starting pitching/ his starters hve walked 53 in 86 innings....Thats ridiculous....wheter or not they are getting squeezed .....There is not a team in baseball who has walked more guys than the Red Sox... The way the staters have pitched we are lucky to be 9-7.....

Jack Marshall said...

Redsock---don't you think Francona has a tendency not to let his starter get that 3rd out? And he's been burned by the relief a couple times already in those situations. I count 25% of the games with the starter going 6.2 innings.

Jack Marshall said...

Regarding being squeezed---the ump was squeezing both sides, no question. But I don't know if I can remember a game in which one missed strike call led to more carnage than last night. Tek and Buchholtz had set up Moeller perfectly, the pitch was strike three, 3rd out, exactly where Tek's glove was, and when it was mis-called and Chad got his cheap bloop, the wheels came off. I know, it's part of the game; it happens. But it changed the whole game.

Jack Marshall said...

Good point, 9Casey. This is partly the result of losing Schilling, who walked nobody, of course. And Wake is a special case. But facts are facts...

Patrick said...

I'm expecting similar run production as last night for us, as we have just seen the moose, and he doesn't have the ridiculous stuff that Beckett has.

Adversely, Beckett might not go seven because the Yanks just saw him last week, and will be better off.

I'm guessing 5-3 sox, with a J.D. Dong.

Patrick said...

When are we posting JoS oatmeal?

tim said...

when DOESNT the moose get lit up.

i'm looking for double-digits from our boys tonight!

s1c said...

I think everybody is forgetting that the Sox lost over a week of spring training due to the Japan trip. That is huge because it is usually the last 2 starts in spring training that they get the starters up to the 100 pitch range (stretched out as Tito would say). Except for Daisuke, Tito has been pulling the guys at the 95-100 pitch range. This will work out in the end, as long as the starters start to throw strikes.

Ish/tim/and other bruins - I have a post up for you if you want to talk Bruins.

s1c said...

Put Dale Arnold in the Tappen side of the ledger.

Michael Holley: When I say NESN what do you think of?

Dale Arnold: Kathryn Tappen

MH: C'mon, be serious

SoSock said...

I wrote last night (I think) that that the innings will go up as the season goes on, weather gets warmer, and arms get stretched out.
S1c makes an excellent point also about the shortened spring training due to the trip. That is undoubtedly affecting the length of starts, but should work itself out soon. There is that pesky little fact, though, that throwing more strikes would lessen the pitch count and allow you to go deeper into the game.
Effective effeciency. Something we haven't been too good at so far.

SoSock said...

Wouldn't you know?
The only night I don't have a LL commitment this week (putting me home about 9:30 or 10), and my granddaughter has a 7:00 softball game.
Not complaining, tho. With all the time spent with my team, I rarely get to see hers, so I'm up for it.
Go Lady Cyclones!
Hope I come home to find the Sox in control, and all smiles on JoS.

L-girl said...

Devine is back! Nice to see you. (Or it was, he's probably gone now.)

Hi all. We have YES. Allan is complaining.

redsock said...

shit - YES -- jere was right.

heng brothers said...

Does anyone know if Jere is calling the game tonight?

redsock said...

Looking at my TV and seeing Michael Kay:

"There's a douche."

redsock said...

I don't think he is.

L-girl said...

Hey, don't be hitting my boy.

Zenslinger said...

Our boy ain't hurt, is he?

phrenile said...

Right in the ass.

L-girl said...

Yeah right, like you can catch him. As if.

s1c said...

Let the beanball wars start!

LBJ should be able to get a jump on Mussina

See!!!

redsock said...

lyndon is standing there flossing his teeth when moeller's throw arrives.

s1c said...

FY showing why he is so hard to strike out.

8 pitches.

JR: I wouldn't consider last night a baseball game.

s1c said...

NO mods

Crap, not what we needed there.

Amy said...

Shit. Hate those DPs...

L-girl said...

s1c, shhh....

We're prepared to turn it on at in a milisec if needed.

redsock said...

kay whining how the umps give manny and tiz latitude to bitch

redsock said...

mussina still pitching a no-hitter

s1c said...

s1c, shhh....

lips are sealed (and no mine aren't sexy).

L-girl said...

I hope s1c-ette disagrees.

L-girl said...

werd with the easy catch

Amy said...

Wouldn't it be nice to have a 1-2-3 first inning?

Zenslinger said...

Allan, do you know if it's possible to upgrade to MLB.tv Premium after buying the basic? I'm finally going to do it. For the sake of my bar tab if nothing else.

s1c said...

Amy don't jinx it!!!

Amy said...

Yes!

redsock said...

al lieter and john flaherty on YES -- actually quite good. if only kay had called in sick. or would stfu.

Amy said...

Allan, I see your list of how far the starters have gotten this season. Any sense of how that compares to last year? I wonder whether this is just typical April cold weather starts or the effects of the Japan trip or just a bad series of weak starts.

redsock said...

zen: i went with basic because i use it only at work on the weekend. and now i may be able to bring in my laptop and get the games (after not having video last weekend). so i don't think upgrading gives me anything extra.

redsock said...

amy: i could look this weekend.

L-girl said...

BEING!!!!!!!!!!!!

s1c said...

MBM!!!

Yeah Baby!!!

redsock said...

MBM WITH A DONG OFF THE BIGOT

Amy said...

There goes the shutout for Mussina. :)

L-girl said...

poor tala, she hates when we shout and clap!

L-girl said...

Ah, Zen breaks down and orders mlbtv. I'm glad.

Hey, YES just showed my #1 boy, Lou Gehrig. My all-time favourite player.

Zenslinger said...

RS: Right. But do you know if it's possible. That is, I want to get Basic and be able to upgrade if I need the extra quality.

Amy said...

Mussina's a bigot? I didn't know that. Arrogant, yes, but a bigot?

redsock said...

Glossary, Amy, Glossary!!

Amy said...

OK, checking out the glossary.

Jake of All Trades said...

I can tell the quality difference in MLB.tv premium when I hook my laptop up to the tv and go fullscreen, but not when I just watch on the computer.

s1c said...

Looked up the numbers for the Sox last april. In 5 starts last year for Curt and Daisuke they threw 33 inning, followed by Beckett 32.2, and Wake at 31.1. Tavarez was the only starter last year to average less than 6 (4 starts 19 innings).

Tek!!!

Amy said...

Jason!

RS, ummm, what in the glossary? I see nothing under bigot or Mussina.

redsock said...

kay is wrong - bonds BBI with bases loaded only one time.

as far as we know, it has happened only 3 times ever.

redsock said...

RS, ummm, what in the glossary? I see nothing under bigot or Mussina.

really?

Amy said...

Interesting, S1C, thanks for the stats. But did anyone get 7 or more innings?

Amy said...

I see it. Bronx bigot. How was I to know that? :)

redsock said...

Amy: It's under Bronx Bigot.

s1c said...

Yes, they did! Daisuke for one (Mariner game that he lost when King Felix shut out the Sox). Just off the top of my head.

Amy said...

See the comment above. I found it. Thanks!

redsock said...

Yes, they did! Daisuke for one (Mariner game that he lost when King Felix shut out the Sox).

oh yeah the game in which dice was "annihilated"

nixon33 said...

just checking in beckett looking good!

Amy said...

Another 1-2-3!

heng brothers said...

"DRILLED BY GIAMBI!"

Relatively routine fly ball out for Lyndon. STFU Kay.

redsock said...

heng: really. lbj barely had to jog over. jeez.

s1c said...

Looks like the dominator has his game face on tonight.

Runs please!!!

(amy - Daisuke's first 5 starts las year he went 7, 7 , 6 , 7 and 6).

L-girl said...

Hey, it was Opening Day #2 tonight: the first grilled/backyard dinner of the season. Steak, salad, asaparagus and red wine. Ahhh...

It is *finally* spring here in southern Ontario. A/k/a northern world.

Amy said...

Remy and Orsino singing LBJ's praises.

Hit again! That's what they get for trying to pitch him inside.

s1c said...

Oooh, I think LBJ stole that call.

Amy said...

Thanks, S1C. I knew it felt better last season.

L-girl said...

Go baby go!!!

That's my boy!

redsock said...

kay is being very good tonight in getting leiter and flaherty to discuss pitcher v batter stuff.

honestly, if don and jerry did 1/4 of this, they would be sooooo much better.

but they don;t.

Amy said...

That boy is quite amazing. I love that we have speed!

s1c said...

Shades of Willie Wilson!!!

Ok, FY, just get the bat on the ball.

L-girl said...

I wonder how long it will be until Lyndon gets caught stealing. I love this perfect streak.

nick said...

I really shouldn't be here because my annual report for work is due tomorrow, but goddamn! I heart Laura's Boy.

L-girl said...

Amy, I love having speed, too. It's an exciting part of the game.

heng brothers said...

Haha... stay tuned for a message from our friends at Fox Business Channel. Are you kidding me?

L-girl said...

FY!!!

redsock said...

moooooooooooooooooose

Amy said...

Pedroyer gets a hit! (Remy-talk)

nick said...

I liked Youk in the 2 spot, but I'm enjoying this 1-2. Imagine when Papi become big again.

s1c said...

I smell A Papi Dong, lets go to the magic 8 ball!!!

Amy said...

Yes, and base stealing isn't generally something the Sox have done all that well (Dave Roberts notwithstanding).

L-girl said...

s1c, I just saw your comment on the blog that was quoting me re Dalai Lama. Thanks for that! I was reading the comment, thinking, what a nice thing for someone to say...then I saw it was you. Thanks for that, my friend.

s1c said...

Oh, well, I guess I need to get my smell sensors checked.

heng brothers said...

Kay confirms Moose's racist asshole tendencies. Wow.

s1c said...

L-girl, you are welcome, though I don't think I did you justice.

redsock said...

kay saying japan bothered papi's rhythm. says mussina hated it. brought peanut butter and white bread and never left his hotel room.

s1c said...

MBM 2 in ne night!!!!

redsock said...

sorry flahery that was NOT inside.

L-girl said...

BEING AGAIN!!!!!

Amy said...

MBM! Manny may get his 500th tonight at this rate!!

Zenslinger said...

There's Joy in Repetition, Manny!

redsock said...

YOU ARE A VERY VERY BAD MAN [/babu]

heng brothers said...

Get the shower ready for Moose.

Amy said...

Wow, he really is a bigot. Fancy Stanford liberal arts education sure didn't enlighten him.

redsock said...

even worse, moose taken deep by a black man. his klan buddies will not be pleased.

s1c said...

MBM sitting next to Beckett, has like this sardonic smile on his face. I can just hear him saying, "you can't stop him, you can only contain him but boy oh boy am I going to stop you!"

L-girl said...

s1c, really, i am honoured. how did you get over there? is that a blog you read?

s1c said...

ON FIRE!!!

and the hits just keep on coming!!!

redsock said...

MBM probably saying "i'd hit these bombs off you, too, you know."

Amy said...

What blog are you talking about, Laura?

s1c said...

L-girl, I usually check on that blog once a week. Unlike WMTC which is daily!

Amy said...

Tek, no swinging at the high stuff.

redsock said...

fuck you blue

Amy said...

HIT!! Good job!

L-girl said...

s1c, cool. :)

Amy, I saw a URL in my Statcounter, lots of people coming to wmtc from one place. When I went there, it was a negative comment about a post of mine. I asked a follow-up question... when I went back to see if the blogger had responded, I saw a post from s1c in my defence! I was very surprised. (And pleased.)

As it turns out, the blogger is someone banned from my blog for pro-war sentiments and general obnoxiousness. Had I known...

TEK!!!!

...it was him, I wouldn't have responded at all. I'll give you a link in a min.

redsock said...

40 pitches for moose this inning - so far

L-girl said...

Here it is.

I was wondering what his problem was. But like I said, if I had read more carefully, I would have realized it was just a wingnut with a vendetta.

Zenslinger said...

77 pitches for him in 3.

I've got audio...don't have time to fool with the video at work today.

Will catch the end in the bar. Hang in there, Josh!

phrenile said...

This game makes me happy.

redsock said...

bigot pc: 14-21-42 = 75
beckett pc: 12-6 = 18

Jack Marshall said...

So redsock---still diaagree with me that Moose won't last the season with the Yankees? (Michael Kay began the 'cast saying that Mussina had "reinvented himself." Right: as a batting practice pitcher!)

phrenile said...

In fairness, Mussina's pitched a whole 'nother half inning.

s1c said...

Actually L-girl, that blog now has multiple posters. Daimian expeanded it due to his pending marriage, etc.

Is anyone warming up inte MFY pen yet?

redsock said...

right now, yeah, i disagree. they don't have many other choice. maybe they make a move in july, but for now ... i think he'll be "good enough" - league average

phrenile said...

Mussina barely lasted through last season, but it's not like the MFYs have alternatives.

L-girl said...

s1c, is it a popular blog?

s1c said...

jesus, I swear if I ever meet the guy who invented mal ware trojans I am going to go postal on him.

Need the double play here.

L-girl said...

I ask b/c I am getting a lot of traffic from it.

s1c said...

l-girl, not as popular as it was. It used to be fairly good, but ever since he added the marks its fallen off.

phrenile said...

Beckett's averaging a fraction over three pitches per batter so far.

phrenile said...

I should say pitchers per out.

s1c said...

Kessel scores - 1 1 in MTL

Do you think Damon is pissed watching LBJ sporting as many WS rings as he has?

phrenile said...

Sit, Judas.

redsock said...

beckett - 31 pitches in 3 innings

mussina - 42 pitches last inning alone.

:>)

Amy said...

Thanks for filling me in, Laura. I looked it over. Not sure what that guy's point was, but I thought you and S1C responded well and effectively.

L-girl said...

s1c, funny coincidence, you reading that blog, and mark from ottawa can't stand me, often slagging me when he can think of an excuse. big internet, but sometimes it seems like a small town.

Amy said...

I love when Damon makes the third out. Or any out.

L-girl said...

Thanks Amy! I had a feeling you were over there. :)

I think his problem is he was banned from my blog and can't get over it. Other than that, I have no idea!

Patrick said...

I wish this was a longer series. We're going to RAVAGE their bullpen. Whoever they play tomorrow should send up a thank you card.

nixon33 said...

into pitch for the yanees:
I'm-a-pendejo

L-girl said...

Damon should be pissed thinking, I used to be that young and good-looking...

phrenile said...

Lugo showing some life at the plate.

Amy said...

Where did this pitcher come from? What's his name? It came and went so fast I couldn't get it.

nixon33 said...

or thinking i used to be good and on a good team!

Patrick said...

bwahaha!

Does LBJ get hit again?

nixon33 said...

batting practice anyone?

redsock said...

mfy play the birds

phrenile said...

Not so much on the basepaths.

Amy said...

Lugo, I've seen Jacob Ellsbury. And you are no Jacob Ellsbury.

Patrick said...

waaaaa!

s1c said...

WEEI has been killing Slugo lately.

Redsock - The question for the Remdawg today was: "Are you more worried about Timlin or Papi?"

CI missed the tag

Patrick said...

Joe C. always dissing players slides.

L-girl said...

No way Yankees will release Mussina mid-season. He'd have to get muuuch worse, and they'd make it seem injury-related.

Patrick said...

worried about Papi?

phrenile said...

Jonathan Santana Albaladejo.

The MFYs picked up Santana in the off-season after all.

L-girl said...

Redsock - The question for the Remdawg today was: "Are you more worried about Timlin or Papi?"

Do the words WHITE FLAG mean anything to them?

Then again, we're not worried about Timlin. We expect him to suck, and he does.

L-girl said...

Amy LOL, very good.

Patrick said...

WHAT? A 0 run inning? Trade Dustin!

Amy said...

Why worry about Papi? He will hit more, and he has already started.

Timlin can lose games for us. The worst Papi can do is not help win them, but he can't cost us a game.

redsock said...

Redsock - The question for the Remdawg today was: "Are you more worried about Timlin or Papi?"

I'm worried they'll keep Timlin around.

As long a Flo's knee is okay, I'm calm.

,,,

did look like he missed lugo's foot,but julio says nada

L-girl said...

or thinking i used to be good and on a good team!

Oh yes, that too. That most.

Amy said...

Laura, I had to go scroll up to see what I said that made you laugh. My poor aging short term memory!

Jere said...

You can't teach that kind of loafing it to first .

redsock said...

Jonathan Santana Albaladejo

Cashman: "Wait -- this isn't THE Santana?!?!?"

s1c said...

Paraphrasing the dawg - get a grip people its 16 games, you have to worry about Timlin due to age, injuries etc. but Papi? ITS 16 GAMES!!!

phrenile said...

How much $$$ in endorsements over a lifetime do you suppose Damon traded for his extra $3m/year for the MFYs?

ish said...

I'm liking the five spot we've put on the board tonight.

I especially love seeing Manny giving Pedroia a huge bear hug just for the dugout camera.

s1c said...

Phren - not sure about endorsements, but I can guarantee you he will not be getting free beers.

Patrick said...

Abreu is a good hitter, however much I don't like him.

L-girl said...

get a grip people its 16 games, you have to worry about Timlin due to age, injuries etc. but Papi? ITS 16 GAMES!!!

Essackly.

s1c said...

MBM daring Abreu to g to third, loving it!!

Need to get a dp here.

Power play in MTL!!!

Patrick said...

Josh gonna challenge HGH

Jere said...

sit down, lizard

Amy said...

Hah! Got him!

Patrick said...

BWAHAH HAH HAH!
"He was over matched!" - Joe C.

s1c said...

1 more joshie, 1 more out (90 mph change for josh!)

Patrick said...

This is as far as Buchhy got last night.

Amy said...

I think Timlin and Mussina may be sharing rockers in retirement soon.

Jere said...

hip hip you're out.

and ugly.

s1c said...

Posada sit your butt down!!!

Amy said...

Nice comeback, Josh!

phrenile said...

MFYs are paying $177,500 per point of Giambi's .132 batting average.

Patrick said...

FOOLISH MORTAL! You have the gall to stand in the box against our supreme commander Beckett? Take a seat!

Jere said...

whatta ya say we don't call him "Buchhy"

Patrick said...

Hahaha, Jere you got problems with my lingo.

Jere said...

Manny looking for 3 of 5 now.

phrenile said...

Ortiz is a steal at $115,200/point.

Jere said...

only when you call Red Sox something that sounds like Bucky, ha

Patrick said...

I love WRKO starting off the inning with "Big Papa" by Norotious B.I.G

phrenile said...

Locked in Yankee killer.

s1c said...

Remy - think Manny thought he was going to get thrown at, see how he's back on his heels on that first pitch?

3 for 3 for being!!!

Patrick said...

Being too young to have seen the '86 series, Bucky, to me is a character from "Get Fuzzy".

phrenile said...

Nice fielding.

Amy said...

Manny...too hot to handle. But no home run? What's wrong?

Damon---ball was too hot for him to handle even with a glove on.

redsock said...

kay: "manny jogging to first, so he can't take advantage of the bobble"

would any batter in baseball history have tried to go to second on that?

i'll tell you; No.

Jere said...

I was hoping Manny would run all the way around the bases real quick before Damon could get it in for his third dong. So we just need to score a lot more runs to get him six at bats, for the record 5-dong nite

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