September 7, 2007

G142: Red Sox 4, Orioles 0

Lester (7-4-0-2-4, 98) was great and the bottom of the order, in addition to providing three early runs, also sparked a benches-clearing balk (see comments).

Lester allowed a leadoff single and a stolen base to Roberts in the first, and a two-out walk to Tejada, but escaped trouble. In the third, he allowed a single to Tejada and a walk to Millar, but kept the ball in the infield and no harm was done. Lopez pitched a perfect eighth and MDC worked through a two-out walk in the ninth.

The Sox got two runs in the second: Youkilis walked, Drew doubled to left-center, Varitek singled in Yook and Drew scored on Crisp's sac fly. Crisp singled to start the fourth, moved to third on two groundouts, then distracted Cabrera into balking him home.

Cabrera's next pitch sailed past the back of Pedroia's neck and that's when the fun began. It sounds both both team's TV color guys showed no mercy in ripping Cabrera. For the O's, Jim Palmer was thoroughly disgusted, since the team has talked with Cabrera several times about this exact problem.

Boston got its fourth run in the eighth. Ellsbury singled, stole second and scored on Youkilis single.

Both Ellsbury and Drew made fantastic catches in the late innings. Lyndon leapt at the wall in left to rob Mora and Drew hauled in Tejada liner after a long run into the right field corner.

The Tigers beat Seattle 6-1 to take over second place in the wild card chase. The Yankees are Royals are tied 2-2 after six innings.

***

Jon Lester (5.26, 86 ERA+) / Daniel Cabrera (5.06, 88 ERA+)

These guys faced each other five days ago (September 2), with Lester (6-6-2-2-1) getting the upper hand on Cabrera (6-5-3-4-7) in a 3-2 Red Sox win.

The Yankees (6.5 GB; 3 GA in WC) are in Kansas City (Kennedy/Meche). The Tigers and Mariners -- both 3 GB in the wild card -- meet in Detroit (Batista/Verlander).

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redsock said...

Ellsbury, LF
Pedroia, 2B
Ortiz, DH
Lowell, 3B
Youkilis, 1B
Drew, RF
Varitek, C
Crisp, CF
Lugo, SS

Roberts, 2B
Mora, 3B
Markakis, RF
Tejada, SS
Millar, 1B
Huff, DH
Hernandez, C
Payton, LF
Redman, CF

Globe: "Terry Francona has been out at first base with Brandon Moss instructing him on how to play first base. There's no glove or ball, just plain old instruction, mostly going over footwork and technique."

ish said...

Ellsbury, Pedroia. With Youk in the 5-hole. Drew still batting 6th...Triple speed threat in Crisp, Lugo, and Ellsbury... This looks like a good line-up, with the gaping hole of the slumping Drew. Still miss Manny's bat, though.

s1c said...

Are you freaking kidding me? Does Francona realize that he has put the best lineup out there in weeks?

I may have to stop bashing the guy!

ish said...

There never seems to be any day baseball on Fridays, which is annoying. I'm reduced to watching women's tennis. Today it's Venus Williams against Mike Mussina.

redsock said...

I may have to stop bashing the guy!

Don't get ahead of youself. Lugo will probably be leading off tomorrow.

redsock said...

SI reports that Troy Glaus received multiple shipments of performance-enhancing drugs -- Nandrolone, an anabolic steroid, and testosterone. Both drugs were on MLB's banned list at the time they were shipped.

I added this and some of Judge Buster Olney's quotes -- he has already ruled Ankiel guilty -- in the previous post.

redsock said...

Ortiz on Pedroia, from article SI magazine:

"Everybody loves him around here. And his defense? Incredible. I tell him it's because he's so low to the ground. A ground ball can go under his glove and it's still going to hit him in the cup."

Sadly, Tom Verducci paints us all as constantly worried about the big bad Yankees.

ish said...

That's probably one of the funniest things I've heard this week. And the week's pretty much over. Gotta love that Big Papi, eh?

s1c said...

Sadly, Tom Verducci paints us all as constantly worried about the big bad Yankees.

An example of where they get that idea.

A comment from eagle tribune blog

mr joshua said:
Schill is most definitely a #2.

I’m really concerned about a failing Dice-K and Okajima as we go into September. Got past by the skin of our teeth last night. I think the O’s are going to split the series with us and the Raze are on an awesome tear now. So I’m projecting 3 and 4 over the next 7 games. If the Yankees go 5 and 1 that means the spread will be 3 or 4 games at the start of the last series. I can’t remember the last time we beat the yankees.

So on 9/17 this will be a dead heat.

our last 6 games are against the a’s and the twins. I hate this schedule. I think we’re screwed again. I know it. I can feel it in my bones.

Schill is the greatest post game pitcher in the history of the game. But will we get there?

redsock said...

I have heard many out-of town TV broadcasters writers (and national guys too) say on the air that they get the pulse of Red Sox fans by talking to Shaughnessy.

I know I shouldn't be surprised. It just pisses me off.

The entire article looks okay. Verducci, ever the professional, has to get in all the requisite jabs at Sox fans before he gets to the actual point of the story.

ish said...

I won't be home for the beginning of the game--not sure when I'll be back, but hopefully by game's end. Go Red Sox!

redsock said...

Just checked the schedules:

We could clinch the East next Saturday against the Yankees!

We have to win the next 3 against the Orioles, then sweep 3 from Tampa, NY has to lose its next 6 (3 to KC, 3 to Toronto), then we have to win the first two games against the MFY.

Very unlikely.

Magic number could go down to 14 tonight, though.

L-girl said...

Listening to Don & Jerry in the open, saying that Ococ is now "the kind of player Red Sox fans thought they were getting last year," reminds me of how everyone was complaining about Coco last year. The deal sucked - Coco sucked - more evidence of Theo Is A Moron - blah blah blah. Now that off year is forgotten.

Hopefully next year that will be the case with Drew.

L-girl said...

Schill is the greatest post game pitcher in the history of the game. But will we get there?

Two-Two-Two hilarious statements in one!

Holy cow. What a moran.

L-girl said...

There never seems to be any day baseball on Fridays, which is annoying.

Day baseball is on weekends, natl holidays or travel days only. Series are Fri/Sat/Sun so no one travels on Fridays.

redsock said...

O's feed on MLBTV.

Over a picture of a Sock and an O talking, Gary Thorne saying: "Fraternization ... it used to be illegal, now it's all about me and you" (or something like that)

Actually, it is still illegal.

Good ol' Rule 3.09:

"Players in uniform shall not address or mingle with spectators, nor sit in the stands before, during, or after a game. No manager, coach or player shall address any spectator before or during a game. Players of opposing teams shall not fraternize at any time while in uniform."

L-girl said...

It used to be taken seriously. Now is an unenforced rule.

That is a good thing.

redsock said...

actually, ococ has been sucking big time once again. in the last 28 days, he's hitting .242/.303/.341. he has been catching the ball though. i hope the real ococ comes around in 08

redsock said...

It used to be taken seriously. Now is an unenforced rule.

so instead of an unwritten rule that everyone follows, this is a written rule that everyone ignores.

redsock said...

i understand wanting to go with a hot hand, but do all the people who think drew is going to suck forever really think ellsbury will keep hitting .432?

because it's the same logic -- what is now is what will always be.

L-girl said...

so instead of an unwritten rule that everyone follows, this is a written rule that everyone ignores.

yup. like pot smoking, underage drinking, and jay walking.

i think it's better for players to feel solidarity with each other and be friends than not. they're still going to be competitors during the game, so why enforce codes of conduct about personal behaviour that doesn't affect the game.

L-girl said...

but do all the people who think drew is going to suck forever really think ellsbury will keep hitting .432?

you're acting as if people have memories! most do not. at least the loudest fans don't appear to.

redsock said...

det up 2-0 in the first against sea.

redsock said...

was a new rule passed saying that lester has to allow at least two baserunners per inning?

L-girl said...

oh come on, seattle, get it together!

L-girl said...

a millar special - foul HR

redsock said...

there is a classic millar foul hr special.

redsock said...

our cabin comments are pretty funny.

L-girl said...

great minds, thinking alike...

chief said...

was a new rule passed saying that lester has to allow at least two baserunners per inning?

Sorta hoping that's one of the ignored and not enforced variety.

redsock said...

... so are all the young 'uns out this friday night?

redsock said...

GGOW

L-girl said...

Teener telling us that SWHB is frustrated, doesn't want to sit out the postseason. Let's hope all his bad dreams come true.

Do not adjust your sets: DJ Werd gets a hit. Please hold your complaints.

redsock said...

dr.(ew) double.

L-girl said...

And we take the one-nothing advantage :)

L-girl said...

so are all the young 'uns out this friday night?

you know they always show up in the late innings

redsock said...

46% of O's leadoff walks have scored this year -- highest % in MLB

L-girl said...

46%? but tim mcc tells us leadoff walks always score!

the red sox enjoy a two-nothing advantage

redsock said...

46%? but tim mcc tells us leadoff walks always score!

right. that stat must be wrong. never mind.

chief said...

You know, I have been using GDGD in Safari. I never knew there was a more advanced version until I saw Redsock's screenshot the other day. Still slow, but much nicer.

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I love Coco - but I don't think his suckiness at the plate has been forgotten by the haters yet. There are just other more obvious targets for them right now.

L-girl said...

Chief, re Coco, I'm sure you're right. I don't hear them, I only hear them reflected here (that was hard to type!), so I'm probably not aware.

I guess I just never expect a team to be perfect. Even the best team has weak spots, deficits. Our 2007 team is so good, so well constructed and balanced - even with several key players have sub-par seasons - that I just can't get my mind around all the whining.

chief said...

Look at Ellsbury swinging at that crap. Get him outa here. [/sarcasm]

L-girl said...

Even I would have known that was sarcasm! :)

redsock said...

I love Coco - but I don't think his suckiness at the plate has been forgotten by the haters yet.

I like him a lot too -- but it hasn't been forgotten because it really hasn't gone away. His hitting is pretty close to what he did last year's, though his OBP is up about 20 points (though that gets it to only .335 or so).

bennymac said...

good evening all!

redsock said...

medium wait for lester?

chief said...

I just can't get my mind around all the whining.

Yup, I agree completely.

redsock said...

L and I were talking about this last night, I think. I would say 6 of the 9 starters are hitting worse than expected.

The only ones doing better than expected are: Lowell, Ortiz, Pedroia.

Manny, Crisp, Drew, Lugo, Youkilis and Varitek are below expectations. (Maybe Yook and Tek are a wash -- I'd have to see.)

Which means our pitching has been outta sight!!

chief said...

Even I would have known that was sarcasm! :)

Just trying to help out.

__

Yeah, Coco's numbers are pretty level. But he felt like an automatic out early this year (really early, I mean). He had a really rough time with the broken knuckle and the kidney stones (? something like that).

I'd certainly like to see him float back to his career numbers though.

bennymac said...

i was at fenway south last night. papi's home run was a complete bomb. also sat in the right field seats...i never heard a player take crap as bad as jd did after his inning ending double play with the bases loaded. i'm not much for yelling at players in person, i think its completely rude. some were funny though. exciting back and forth game till the bullpens came in...go figure.

L-girl said...

hi bennymac :)

1st in our division pretty much the whole season, best record in AL for all of it, best record in baseball for most it.

i guess i'm just a crazy optimist!

bennymac said...

youk was on pace to have a breakout year offensively till like july, then he fell apart.

redsock said...

YOOK sprawling in the dirt!!!

tres bien

L-girl said...

Just trying to help out.

i appreciate it.

bennymac, that must have been fun. we'll be in fenway north week after next.

[nice yoooook/lester play!]

i don't boo my own players in person, ever, ever. allan says this is what prevents me from ever being a true red sox fan, but so be it. i really dislike that.

redsock said...

tigers 3-0, end of 3.

ny at kc at 810.

redsock said...

you don't have to boo them, but you do have to hate them.

(though this has changed for me since 2004; the hate is harder to muster)

chief said...

When I was in Seattle for the series in June, there were two guys in front of us that were just UNRELENTING to Drew. Couple of times was midly funny, but it got old fast. I should complained. They kept it up for innings.

redsock said...

babe's daughter in the booth with thorne and palmer.

L-girl said...

you don't have to boo them, but you do have to hate them.

no i don't. i'll save my hate for the other side.

babe's daughter in the booth with thorne and palmer.

the br museum in baltimore is your biggest book seller.

redsock said...

she is at the BR museum tomorrow.

L-girl said...

I'd LOVE to see Drew have a huge October. That does a lot for fans' memories.

L-girl said...

she is at the BR museum tomorrow.

i figured that was it.

L-girl said...

who was her mother again (which wife)? was she adopted?

redsock said...

why bother bringing a bat up there? grrrr

redsock said...

adopted, yes. his second wife claire.

i did listen for a bit. they asked what she remembers most about babe and she said the day they adopted her. she sounded wholly sincere.

bennymac said...

it's sometimes no fun at games due to the people around us. right behind my wife and i there were these two annoying girls from r.i. yapping about her birthday, talking about "her man" beckett, i think there was a twenty minute loud conversation about getting tatoos today. they left in the 4th...i enjoyed the rest of the evening.

redsock said...

i don't think he and helen spent much time together after he left boston. they never officially divorced and helen was living with a man in a boston suburb when she died in a house fire in 1925 (i think). reading montville book about it, it sounds like babe was as shook by that anything in his life, in a daze for about a week.

L-girl said...

fans at games can be very trying. in our many years at yankee stadium, we had many such trials.

when allan first moved to nyc, we used to go to tons of games - it was the first time he had ever had easy access to a ML park. but over the years, he started preferring tv. most of that was down to the fans.

redsock said...

it's sometimes no fun at games due to the people around us.

man, when i think of all the cretins we've sat in front of at yankee stadium ....

redsock said...

lester:

2 baserunners
1 baserunner
0 baserunner

i like this pattern ...

L-girl said...

it was a house fire. my mother remembers that.

for a long time she had the new york times front page from when babe died.

redsock said...

rain delay in det, top of 5th, tigers 3-1.

redsock said...

i know it was a fire. not sure of the year.

redsock said...

fraggin mora.

redsock said...

man, i wish lyndon had beaten mirror to the bag. that would have been the video of the year!!!

L-girl said...

balks a runner home!!

chief said...

Balk oCoC gets the plate.

L-girl said...

wtf? you ever see a more obvious plunk?? immediate ejection, and rightly so.

redsock said...

oh boy. brawl time??

chief said...

Wow, Remy is PISSED.

L-girl said...

remy's going nuts. "that's an immature pitcher right there. and he wonders why he can't win."

"what, a guy's not supposed to bunt on him? runners aren't supposed to fake? whose fault is that cabrera? that's your fault! you're immature!"

redsock said...

palmer ripping cabrera a new one in the booth.

L-girl said...

i've never heard remy talk like that. "that's a complete joke - an absolute farce."

redsock said...

man he is totally ready to fight

L-girl said...

WAIT? he WASN'T ejected???

remy is still at it

L-girl said...

sexy lips trying to talk to cabrera

redsock said...

HA

and a HUGE "let's go red sox" chant!!!

palmer absolutely disgusted with cabrera. basically calling him stupid for not knowing what to do out there and how to pitch (coming to a set, etc.)

chief said...

No, he wasn't ejected. Both dugouts where warned.

L-girl said...

remy still at it, "this is absolutely ridiculous, oh cabrera's pitching, we're not supposed to bunt, we're not supposed to run? who does he think he is? what a joke..."

i thought he was tossed, but was it just a warning? damn. i've never seen a more obviously intentional throw.

redsock said...

nice stuff by coco to force the balk!!!

man, i want 50 runs now.

redsock said...

palmer can't believe it -- 5th year in bigs for cabrera -- and he is still immature.

ejecte dnow.

chief said...

Julian Tavarez, the voice of reason.

Never thought I'd type that :-)

redsock said...

palmer bringing up joba and yook. and saying cabrera has to be tossed and suspended.

redsock said...

i'd like to hear trembley arguing in a shatner voice.

L-girl said...

good on palmer for that. he's smart for not just being a homer

Julian Tavarez, the voice of reason.

Never thought I'd type that :-)


i'm telling you, he should do ads for prozac, or whatever he's taking. i'm serious.

L-girl said...

i'd like to hear trembley arguing in a shatner voice.

my. pitcher. didn't. throw. athishead.

L-girl said...

major booing as cabrera walks off, but some stupid o's fans applauding him.

redsock said...

cabrera's ejection is gonna hurt the orioles' wild card chances.

L-girl said...

next we'll be hearing this is the spark the orioles needed to ignite their season :)

nick said...

Remy is indeed off on it. I do hate this shit though--bench clearing; it's a stupid thing to do...ESPECIALLY for the sox. It was odd to see sexy lips out there. Do he and cabrera go back? Am glad there was no physical altercation.

L-girl said...

why do you hate bench clearing? it's a tried and true part of the game. i would fully expect to see it during an incident like this.

redsock said...

thorne laughing at the bullpen guys crawling over the fence -- "guys, there's a door right there!"

plus "why don't they just fight out there?" -- and laughing when they all walk back to the pens together, slowly and chatting.

L-girl said...

it's always funny when the bullpen comes trotting out. they're so far away.

L-girl said...

trembley is def'y a shatner lookalike.

nick said...

took me something like 10 minutes to type that last comment.

wait? pedroia wasn't hit?

redsock said...

palmer saying that cabrera has been spoken to about this time and time again by coaches and manager -- guy on third, dancing away, trying to distract him and cabrera getting distracted, balking and getting pissed off.

they talk to him and talk to him, but he doesn't seem to get it.

L-girl said...

"who's fault is that? coco crisp? no. it's your fault, daniel."

then while they're showing cabrera calling someone out: "and he wants a piece of someone when there's about 50 people between them. if he wants him, why doesn't he go get him?" implying he's a coward.

go remy!

L-girl said...

see how i'm using my transcription skills?

redsock said...

no hbp. pitch went well behind him, about the height of his name or so.

L-girl said...

new aflac commercial, making fun of cops and donuts. cute.

L-girl said...

no hbp. pitch went well behind him, about the height of his name or so.

but a very obvious attempt to throw at a guy's head.

Joe Grav said...

I am not watching tonight, but I fully blame Baltimore...wusses :D

nick said...

I expect to see it too, but I find it stupid. I don't like it in any sport. I hate hockey because of it. It's got nothing to do with the playing of the game itself. It's stupid machismo and they're professionals who need to be able to contain themselves to play the sport of baseball. I understand getting heated and I understand getting tough while playing, but clearing the bench is just predictably pointless.

redsock said...

but a very obvious attempt to throw at a guy's head.

christ, what a failure. he can't even do that correctly.

L-girl said...

so both benches were warned? can lester throw at someone on his last batter?

redsock said...

def. warned.

pitcher and mgr will get tossed.

L-girl said...

nick, interesting. i totally disagree. i think it is part of the game. i hope i never see baseball without bench-clearing brawls, or near-brawls.

L-girl said...

def. warned.

pitcher and mgr will get tossed.


oh yes, i know. but we're going to have to do something.

L-girl said...

maybe not tonight, maybe later in the weekend.

L-girl said...

joe grav, you're in luck, cuz in this case, there's no one to blame but baltimore. this was totally one-sided.

nick said...

well, I'm blind. I saw two replays and still didn't see he wasn't hit.

nick said...

I'm sure I'm in the minority on tis one, but why do you see brawls as an integral part of the game. What would we be missing if we didn't have 'em?

Jere said...

Wow, just got in in time for replays of the craziness. I LOVE Pedroia, how he's almost killed but stays calm, doesn't even look at the asshole.

From before:

"i understand wanting to go with a hot hand, but do all the people who think drew is going to suck forever really think ellsbury will keep hitting .432?

because it's the same logic -- what is now is what will always be."

I can usually take a level-headed approach with this stuff. I absolutely wanted to wait out Dustin in April while people seriously wanted to have ALex Cora be our second baseman. But, to me anyway, Drew's a special case. He can do nothing right it seems. For most of the year. I was ready to have Kielty just fill right in for him. So when you have a guy like Ellsbury, who's way better than Kielty, it makes it even easier for me to just say "go with the kid." In this case.

Believe me, I've head Sterling put everyone from Bubba Crosby to Chad Curtis in Monument Park for having one good game. But in this case, I say leave Drew at the airport in Baltimore. Of course, I'll root for Drew and I hope he suddenly becomes what he's supposed to be...

Jere said...

Sorry for the long comment. Did I say I was "level-headed"? Ha!

L-girl said...

I'm sure I'm in the minority on tis one, but why do you see brawls as an integral part of the game. What would we be missing if we didn't have 'em?

to me the occasional brawl is as much a part of baseball as throwing inside and the retaliation that (should) follow.

i don't want to see people make up brawls for no reason as if it's pro wrestling, but the players are not machines, they're not going to work in an office, the competitive passion and the feeling of defending one's teammates sometimes boils over, and that's what happens.

what would be missing? some of the passion, some of the excitement, the belief that the people playing the game really care about it.

if it's macho, then i think we could define all sports as macho (which i don't).

redsock said...

Wait -- there isn't a monument to Bubba Crosby out there?

L-girl said...

chad curtis

if only you knew :)

Jere said...

No Bubba monument. You're thinking of Brien Taylor.

Jere said...

My friend and Yankee fan Markus had trouble rooting for Curtis. Said he couldn't seriously say the words "Come on, Chad."

L-girl said...

Of course, I'll root for Drew and I hope he suddenly becomes what he's supposed to be...

which somehow he will become without having any playing time...

redsock said...

playing again in det.

ny: 02
kc: 01

kc still batting. alex gordon doubles, goes to third on a PASSEDBALLA and scores on single. then another single off kennedy

nick said...

Jere said...
Wow, just got in in time for replays of the craziness. I LOVE Pedroia, how he's almost killed but stays calm, doesn't even look at the asshole.


Welcome back.

and if I may, Jere accentuates my point to me. Pedroia (who is awesome) is totally scrappy, tough, full of attitude and nobody's fool in the game and he doesn't need to bother with the asshole. There's no need for brawling...

Jere said...

I think when you talk about brawls and retaliation, you have to consider the fact that the AL pitchers don't have to bat. Then again, I don't watch the NL. Do their pitchers hit guys on purpose less because they know they have to hit? And do they retaliate by waiting for the opposing pitcher to come up or do they just hit the next batter like in the AL?

L-girl said...

sorry nick, it doesn't make your point or not make your point. i'm not into the whole "scrappy" player thing, i think that's just silliness. but you think pedroia wouldn't be part of a bcb if it took place? not likely.

redsock said...

slappy and dumbo had some hot dong on dong action -- #49 for the blue lipped one.

(dongs were not b2b, shemp was in the middle)

Jere said...

"which somehow he will become without having any playing time..."

L--I don't actually make the lineup:)

So, when he's in there, which he will be (right? I just got in, did they announce he's benched or something?), of course I'll be rooting. That's what I meant.

L-girl said...

i'm not suggesting every hit batter needs to charge the mound. but you see cabrera and ramon hernandez going nuts, calling out the dugout, the players are all just supposed to sit there? because they're professionals and should be above it? (or maybe that's not what you're saying, correct me if i'm under the wrong impression.)

Jere said...

Ah, the double dong.

redsock said...

2-2 -- errra, kennedy getting slapped around (/quimby voice)

L-girl said...

yes jere, i know you don't make the lineup. :) but you're saying you don't want him to play, so i'm wondering how he would then become the player we want him to be.

but we all just have to live with it the way it is, special case or no. we'll just keep winning despite drew.

redsock said...

No evidence that there are more HBP in the AL than the NL.

L-girl said...

anybody else want to defend the occasional bcb?

Jere said...

Come on, Drew! (see?) haha

L-girl said...

very nice :)

Jere said...

Okay, I gotta eat dinner. Terrible job, Drew. Jacoby woulda hit a 500-foot homer. And circled the bases twice for two runs. And knocked Bush out of office.

L-girl said...

that's my boy! :)

redsock said...

I like brawls.

Come on, the conventional wisdom is that the July 24 brawl kick-started the 2004 run.

(It's wrong, but ...)

redsock said...

Actually, what I want is more trash-talking, a lot more.

A lot of pointing, pitchers pumping and yelling, hitters standing at the plate and making binoculars around their eyes with their hands after hitting a moon shot ... all kinds of shit.

And then put a lot of microphoes all over the field.

ish said...

Hey, guys. Just got back from dinner. Sat in the bar at Longhorn's and watched the first few innings of the game, including the 4th inning scrum. Wow.

Day baseball is on weekends, natl holidays or travel days only. Series are Fri/Sat/Sun so no one travels on Fridays.

There seem to be day games in MLB on Wednesdays and Thursdays as well. Four day games or so.

nick said...

heh. I was annoyed I used the word "scrappy" then you called me on it too. I think I agree with you on that one.

I don't think it makes my point or invalidates it, but it was a good response. What I was trying to get at is that "Fuck Yeah!" plays hot, but scored more points w/ me by being totally cool in that situation. I'm sure if there's a big bench clearing he's right out with the rest of them--I just don't see what it gains.

I understand passion of the game and I understand that we are humans and all the blood boiling that goes with it, but I also understand that these people are professionals and they need to use that passion and aggression positively and for me brawling ain't it.

I've lived my whole live being willing to step up and defend people I think need defending whether it was the kid who got picked on in school or telling a customer to stop being a jerk to the counterperson at the gas station. When I resort to violence or loose my cool, I've feel as though I've failed my cause. If we want a non-violent world we have to be able to live that way and it's got nothing to do with not being passionate or standing up for what is right.

(/rant off)

L-girl said...

Yes, Weds and THurs are often getaway days. That's what I meant by travel days.

nick said...

redsock said...

Actually, what I want is more trash-talking, a lot more.

A lot of pointing, pitchers pumping and yelling, hitters standing at the plate and making binoculars around their eyes with their hands after hitting a moon shot ... all kinds of shit.

And then put a lot of microphones all over the field.


funny thing is, I totally agree with this.

redsock said...

So Roy was calm in this case. But I can totally imagine a scenario in which he goes nuts. I think we all can.

L-girl said...

i respect that, nick. it's good stuff.

for me, one, i don't apply my political and personal stances and goals to the men on the field. to the game itself, yes - labour issues, equal opportunity. but i don't expect professional athletes to uphold any kind of code regarding nonviolence. they seem to be know how to release those passions without doing serious damage to each other.

and two, i don't aspire to a nonviolent world. while i am against all wars, and have trouble imagining one i would support, i actually believe violence has a place in people's movements. i've never seen a movement that succeeded without violence, or the threat of violence. all the successful nonviolent leaders had the threat of a violent alternative to help their methods look more palatable to the public.

/rant :)

(and i wasn't trying to call you out on the use of "scrappy".)

chief said...

Two things: 1. That McDonalds McNugget commercial may be the worst thing in the long history of bad commercials.

2. I will continue to root for Drew, in our out of the lineup. And to hope he emerges from this horrific slump. That doesn't mean, however, that I would be disappointed if LBJ started platooning with Drew when Manny comes back.

redsock said...

all the successful nonviolent leaders had the threat of a violent alternative to help their methods look more palatable to the public.

druuw sucks balls!!!11LOL!!@

L-girl said...

funny thing is, I totally agree with this.

it would take a boatload of self-control for that not to spill over into physical fighting. that's too much to ask.

redsock said...

sid at 90 thru 6.

L-girl said...

you can add radical resistance theory to the list with augusto pinochet and that slavic poet guy

L-girl said...

i agree with chief on both points.

redsock said...

it would take a boatload of self-control for that not to spill over into physical fighting. that's too much to ask.

I know, but the sight of Manny making binoculars after a home run would be priceless.

But Selig would ban all of this after Tejada complained his kids were watching.

redsock said...

i thought lbj would get a triple out of that. fuckin' lazy bum!!!

L-girl said...

've lived my whole live being willing to step up and defend people I think need defending whether it was the kid who got picked on in school or telling a customer to stop being a jerk to the counterperson at the gas station. When I resort to violence or loose my cool, I've feel as though I've failed my cause.

I just read this more carefully.

I think if you feel you've failed your cause when you lose your cool - without physical violence - you are setting an impossible standard. Damn, I barely know how to step up to defend someone (which I try to do as well) without losing my cool. Slight exaggeration, but losing your cool is not a negative thing. It can be extremely effective. I hope you really don't feel like you've failed if you raise your voice or become demonstrative.

chief said...

I know, but the sight of Manny making binoculars after a home run would be priceless.

You mean something like this?

Then he hits a home run against [Mike] Pelfrey and he yells to him ’97 mph coming in and 197 mph going out’ as he’s rounding the bases.

-AZ St. Coach Pat Murphy on Dustin Pedroia

L-girl said...

remy: "[orioles pitcher] is doing a very nice job, much better than cabrera would have been doing..."

L-girl said...

i'm all for the trash talking. i was just pointing out to nick that it might not completely jive with the no-bcb wish.

chief said...

Come on Jacoby, you should been safer than that! Loser.

nick said...

the youtube ripple. as opposed to just drinking ripple.

agree with chief on #2. Agree with l-girl on #2 (mostly).

How's the game going? My daughter's in the bath (yet again), so I'm gamedaying it, but between the conversation here and talking to her, I've been giving the game slight other than basic checks.

redsock said...

chief: essackly.

L-girl said...

Agree with l-girl on #2 (mostly).

Really? I'm surprised. But there ya go.

ish said...

Yes, Weds and THurs are often getaway days. That's what I meant by travel days.

Gotcha.

redsock said...

Another Cabrera coming in!

(Cue Andy Rooney racist comment here!)

L-girl said...

nick, how old is that clean daughter of yours?

redsock said...

det 6-1 on sea in the 7th

ny/kc 2-2 in the 4th

nick said...

I feel like I'm sidetracking this discussion too much, but I'll just quickly respond to one of laura's point. I don't mind raising my voice and I don't mind being damn assertive, but I do draw certain lines. And, for what it's worth, my standards are too high.

Also, I flipped over to wmtc for a second and Madeleine L'Engle died?! I'll have to process that for a while.

but to the game and the cute kid in the bath.

L-girl said...

ish, when we were still in nyc and i was working on weekends, i used to circle all the weekday day games on the yankees schedule and try to go to as many as i could - just go up day-of and get a cheap seat, then move down into good seats. sometimes i'd find a friend who could take a sick day, sometimes allan would come, sometimes i'd just go by myself.

i got to about half of them, maybe 4 or 5 a year, but they were my favourite games.

L-girl said...

Yoook! LBJ scores and it's 4-0!

redsock said...

i like the off-topic stuff during games.

ish said...

The TV I was watching at the restaurant was on mute, but had closed captioning on during the whole 4th inning scrum. I was reading what Remy was saying, and I could tell he was pissed. Man, I wish I could have heard his voice on that one.

Yeah, YOOK! And LyndonSpeed!(TM)

L-girl said...

Nick, no such thing as sidetracking a game thread too much. (Says the co-moderator.)

Too-high standards are a killer. NPI

ish said...

ish, when we were still in nyc and i was working on weekends, i used to circle all the weekday day games on the yankees schedule and try to go to as many as i could - just go up day-of and get a cheap seat, then move down into good seats. sometimes i'd find a friend who could take a sick day, sometimes allan would come, sometimes i'd just go by myself.

i got to about half of them, maybe 4 or 5 a year, but they were my favourite games.


That's really the downside about the Red Sox being so popular. You can't just walk up before the game and get in. They do sell a handful day-of-game tickets, but you've got to get there very early.

Not to mention the prices are horrendous.

L-girl said...

ish, that's cool you could see remy's ranting on the closed captioning. i was trying to convey whatever i could since allan has the masn broadcast at work.

ish said...

L, I wish I had my camera at the restaurant tonight. We got up to leave as Cabrera was leaving, and on the screen the CC showed: Remy: See you later!"

redsock said...

john smoltz has a you know what thru 7 with 10K

L-girl said...

That's really the downside about the Red Sox being so popular. You can't just walk up before the game and get in. They do sell a handful day-of-game tickets, but you've got to get there very early.

And the park is much smaller. Fewer seats to sell.

It's funny, most people in the NY area think that's true about Yankee Stadium too. But in the middle of the week, on a weekday, there are tickets to be had. They're also expensive, but if you know what you're doing, you can get around that too, mostly.

ish said...

'Tek's getting slightly annoyed at the umpire.

Can't say I blame him. Those are very low strike calls. Consistent or not consistent, they weren't strikes.

redsock said...

shitty swing from the capt and he spins around on one foot. lovely.

L-girl said...

smoltz? against who?

L, I wish I had my camera at the restaurant tonight. We got up to leave as Cabrera was leaving, and on the screen the CC showed: Remy: See you later!"

that was great!!

L-girl said...

please shut up about sox appeal. plllleeeeaaasssseeeee

redsock said...

at home against washington. 6-0 in bot 7th.

L-girl said...

don't be oohing and aahing, o's fans, ococ's got it

ish said...

Smoltz? That's awesome! I'll betcha it's not on TBS, though.

L, I know this season the Yankees haven't been having sellout after sellout. Sure, they've been averaging about 54,000 per game, but you're right. Those mid-week daygames probably don't get sold out. Especially in September with the kids in school.

nick said...

CKITB is six and a half. just finished her first week of first grade. her name is emma (after emma goldman who also had some interesting thoughts on the necessity of violence).

nobody's mentioned that Cabrera's in the game.

I had a friend who went to college in the early/mid '90s--would show up a little late to Fenway and get in easily enough.

redsock said...

smoltz? against who?

You're the one with EI!!! Flip around!

chief said...

Remy saying the Sox have a disadvantage in bcb's because their bullpen is in Washington D.C. Then Don wondering allowed why they don't fight out their instead. Do they have the game thread open?

My wife: "They don't come in to fight, they come in to see a fight." True that.

L-girl said...

has smoltz ever thrown one?

L-girl said...

teener and don and jerry are talking about the rookie road-trip dress up fun. i look forward to those pics every year.

we also heard that mike lowell calls pedroia, among other things, pee-wee

L-girl said...

smoltz? against who?

You're the one with EI!!! Flip around!


LOL, oh yeah, i forgot.

too busy approving comments and typing my own.

L-girl said...

i actually went to mlb.com instead, it's the big front-page story with the words used

redsock said...

Lester: 7-4-0-2-4, 98 pit.

Me likey.

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