December 12, 2006

Tick, Tick, Tick

Gordon Edes's source says: "No Progress".

AP:
Lucchino and Epstein left the building where the offices are located shortly before 7 p.m. EST and it was unclear when or if they would return.

"It's here [Henry's plane] in Southern California and it will leave on Wednesday morning," Epstein said. "We hope Matsuzaka-san will be on it so that we can complete the physical in Boston in time to get a contract done."
Edes:
Daisuke Matsuzaka was not present, according to a source with first-hand knowledge of the negotiations. ... If I had to guess I'd say the total guaranteed money in the Sox proposal is in the $40 million range, with performance bonuses that could make it worth considerably more. ... How long will the sides talk? My source said that it's possible they'll talk right up until John Henry's plane leaves for Boston tomorrow morning.
SoSHer 941827:
This is a fascinating study of negotiation techniques. Let's assume that DM has told Boras that he will not, under any circumstances, return to Japan. How far can Boras push the envelope? ...

Will Boras tell DM that the Sox FO "getting on the plane" in the morning is a ruse similar to the guy who walks off the used car lot only to return a few minutes later with his "final final" proposal? Will he be right? ...

These are master manipulators at work. Assume nothing until midnight tomorrow night.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

This D(a)M drama is such fun. I keep hearing movie and TV lines playing in my head. You know "Show me the money!" and "Look boss - de plane, de plane!"

Last minute the deal will get done and it will be a "new record" - perhaps $11.50 per beer.

Ok - it is Wednesday and I am taking Redsock's advise. I am heading into the woods and cut down trees so the Treasury department can print Boras's commission check!

You gotta love it!

Jack Marshall said...

I am definitely not "loving it."

Here's an example of Boras' dishonesty:
In "countering" Sox claims that the posting fee counts as part of the total package for the player,Boras compared the fee to the penalty teams pay when they exceed the MLB total salary level that kicks in the surcharge. Boras is a lawyer, and he understands the principle of analogy, which is how we know that his "argument" is intended for naive boobs. Of course Matsusaka derives benefit from the Sox posting. He is otherwise committed to a bargain contract for two years, and the Sox bought him the freedom to negotiate with another team, change leagues, change teams, and get rich NOW. That has "no value" to the player? It has tremendous value, which Boras is attempting to exploit beyond all logic. Paying for a player to get out of a binding contract and to be able to sign a lucrative new one is a gigantic gift. Boras knows that, and is still denying it.

Assume that Boras persuades Dice to walk away from a 10 mil a year 5 year deal, and explain how that could POSSIBLY be in the player's "best interest." He loses the millions of dollars difference between what he get from the Lions and what he would have gotten from the Sox...call it 8 million. He also loses a year on the other end, as he will have to wait an extra year before becoming a free agent again from which ever team he signs with in the US next time around. He loses millions in endorsements in Japan that would have come his way. For Boras to be right, he would have to make all that up in the next contract he signs, not knowing which team will win the auction (suppose the Devil Rays get ambitious?), not knowing what kind of year he will have annd whether he will stay healthy. Meanwhile, in what ways will his existance be better, sweeter, more exciting or more comfortable if he earns 14 million next time rather than the 10 million he can get now? None!

If Boras cared about his client, he would tell him to go play for a pennant contender in Boston now and be happy with a contract level that a major league rookie really doesn't deserve. And maybe he will, if only because the failure to sign will hurt Boras' reputation.

Pokerwolf said...

If Boras cared about his client, he would tell him to go play for a pennant contender in Boston now and be happy with a contract level that a major league rookie really doesn't deserve.

You're forgetting one very important fact, Jack.

Boras gets a cut of DM's contract. The more money DM gets, the more money Boras earns. It's as simple as that.

doug said...

both you fellows are forgetting the major point...Boras is a player agent...Greg Zaun represented himself in his negotiations with the Blue Jays and said he'd never do it again as he never realized how "dirty" the business is...Boras is a agent, they operate by different set of rules, then society especially the good ones as Boras is...he cares not about the Red Sox, maybe a little more about Matsusaka but more about the system, setting a precedent, and the long-term implications for himself...it's a big picture scenario, for him precedent setting..so he'll sacriface at the front end if necessary too collect on the back-end as he has enough players in his stable to keep his cash-flow going at the present....he cares nothing about the Red Sox

redsock said...

If Boras cared about his client, he would tell him to go play for a pennant contender in Boston now and be happy ...

It's stuff like this that feed into the media meme that Boras is a greedy devil preying on hick players fresh off the boat that need to be told what to do with their lives.

Boras will NOT be telling DM to do anything. He will lay out what he and DM asked for and what the Sox have offered. Then DM will weigh that against returning to Japan. He may ask Boras some questions, but in no way will Boras "tell" Matsuzaka what to do.


Greg Zaun represented himself in his negotiations with the Blue Jays and said he'd never do it again as he never realized how "dirty" the business is

I've read similar comments about arbitration hearings, where the team says its player is a pile of shit and deserves nothing.

redsock said...

Boras knows that, and is still denying it.

Kind like how politicians knowingly lie to us every single day about every topic under the sun. It's pretty common, yet nothing much happens because of it. Some people swallow the lies and some see it for the bullshit it is.

So Boras is full of crap and what he's telling the media isn't true.

And?