August 26, 2008

G131: Red Sox 7, Yankees 3

Red Sox - 012 031 000 - 7 14  2
Yankees - 110 010 000 - 3 10 1
Wakefield (5-8-3-1-1, 80) fluttered through five innings before Terry Francona used five bullpen arms to get through the last four innings. The quintet of Javier Lopez, Manny Delcarmen, Justin Masterson, Hideki Okajima, and Jonathan Papelbon put up a 4-2-0-2-5 line. The lineup presented a balanced attack, as everyone either got a hit or scored a run.

Pettitte walked two batters in the first, but escaped harm. After getting two outs in the second, he allowed a couple of infield hits to third and an RBI single from Jacoby Ellsbury that tied the game at 1-1. After New York got a run with a two-out rally of its own, the Red Sox started the third with three hits: doubles from David Ortiz and Kevin Youkilis, and a single from Jason Bay. Red Sox 3-2.

With two gone in the fifth, Boston scored three times on four straight singles (Bay, Jed Lowrie, Coco Crisp, and Jeff Bailey). Bailey's hit was a high chopper to Alex Rodriguez at third. Slappy's hurried throw to first was low and Jason Giambi could not scoop it. Lowrie scored easily from third -- and then Crisp scored, racing around third and sliding in without a throw! That ended Pettitte's night: 4.2-10-6-3-3, 101.

The bottom of the order shined as Crisp singled three times and stole a base, and both Bailey and Kevin Cash singled twice. In addition to his double, Yook walked three times. And Bay, batting after him, singled twice and hit a sac fly. Ortiz doubled twice and walked twice.

A-Rod (0-for-5) had a rough evening. He struck out looking to end the first, grounded into a 6-4-3 double play to end the third, flew out to center in the fifth, grounded into a 6U-3 double play (as the potential tying run) to end the seventh, and struck out swinging to end the game. He also made a throwing error. The boos were long and loud all night (even when he fielded ground balls cleanly).

If this keeps up -- and why shouldn't it? -- things are going to be pretty ugly in the Bronx by Thursday.

Scoreboard: Toronto beat Tampa Bay 6-2, Chicago beat Baltimore 8-3 and Seattle beat Minnesota 3-2.

***

Tim Wakefield (3.67, 123 ERA+) / Andy Pettitte (4.17, 102 ERA+)

Wakefield comes off the disabled list and makes his first start since August 6. In his last 13 starts (back to May 28) before he went on the DL, he had a 2.66 ERA in 88 innings, limiting opponents to a .194 batting average. In his last six starts against New York, Wakefield is 0-5 with a 8.91 ERA. Chris Smith will likely be sent down to make room on the roster for Wakefield.

New York is pretty well buried anyway.

Cool Standings (after simulating the rest of the season one million times and factoring in strength of schedule):
             DIV    WC   POFF
Tampa Bay 76.4 19.5 95.9
Boston 22.4 54.4 76.8
New York 1.1 6.5 7.6
Baseball Prospectus:
             DIV    WC   POFF
Tampa Bay 77.2 20.7 97.8
Boston 22.4 63.8 86.2
New York 0.4 4.5 4.8
Hank Steinbrenner:
If we put on a run here, there's no question we can make it. There's no question with the number of games we have left, it's possible.
NYDN:
If the Red Sox (75-55) play .500 ball over their final 32 games, they would finish the season with 91 victories. At 70-60, the Yankees would then have to go 21-11 to force a tie with Boston, playing 10 games over .500 during the final five weeks. To put that in perspective, the Yankees are only 10 over during the first 130 games, presenting a daunting task, to say the least.
Pettitte:
I feel like it's a must-win series. I don't think we necessarily need to sweep them, but we need to win the series.
NYP:
What Yankees fans have conveniently forgotten is the Red Sox are not the only other team in the AL wild-card hunt. ... Five games back [in the wild card] with 32 left means the Yankees have to sweep three from the Red Sox, then negotiate a brutal schedule across the final 29 games that ends with three games at Fenway Park.
Mike Lupica, NYDN:
Let's see if the Yankees can hit against a real team the way they did against the Orioles in Baltimore. ... And, while we're at it, let's see how much game Alex Rodriguez will bring to his first playoff run since he signed for the $300 million. If he really is going to be the kind of big Yankee he desperately wants to be, now would be a good time to start. ...

Let's see A-Rod do it to the Red Sox the way Manny and Ortiz did it to the Yankees for years. It's not just on him, of course. But he said how much he wanted games like these, much more than he did all the money. Here they are.
If J.D. Drew cannot play tonight, he may be put on the disabled list. ... Clay Buchholz pitched for Portland last night: 7-5-4(3ER)-0-8.

***

For me, Sunday's 11th-inning win over the Blue Jays was the first butterfly-inducing, sweaty-palmed must-win game of the summer. A loss would have been very tough to handle. It could have dropped us 6.5 GB the FKR -- though they ended up losing to the White Sox.

We are 4.5 GB in the ALE and 1.5 GA in the WC with 32 games to go.


And: Blue Jays/Rays and White Sox/Orioles at 7 and Twins/Mariners at 10.

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laura k said...

First appearance for Bot since the All-Star game.

What does this mean?

allan said...

google seinfeld scripts. that may be the url too. that'll help ya.

Rob said...

I wonder if Tito looked at the Jays/Rays score and decided to bring in the Bot, or would do it anyways.

Benjamin said...

Strickland with the baseball analogy: "GWB came into office on third base and then stole second."

SoSock said...

Btw, I'm not even nervous. All is cool.
Atta way!

Benjamin said...

Sit, MFYs.

Amy said...

Gotta love seeing ARod so useless.

Jere said...

that was quite simple.

allan said...

time to head for the exits, choker fans!!!!!!!!!!!!

laura k said...

See?! :-D

Rob said...

First appearance for Bot since the All-Star game.

What does this mean?


It was an incomplete sentence on my part. First appearance at Yankee Stadium. The whole closer debacle and the abuse he took in the parade and the game, etc.

ONE PITCH. Love it.

Jere said...

Min 0, Seattle 0, in the top of the negative first.

Tony said...

What's that Pearl Jam lyric/old cliche about GWB? "Born on second, thinks he hit a double"?

A Conformer said...

Snuffer making the point moot by getting the 1-pitch out.

Benjamin said...

A-Rod + I-Rod = no rod.

Amy said...

First appearance at Yankee Stadium, where he was roundly booed.

Ish had me confused for a second also.

Rob said...

Minor details...

laura k said...

I think seen sequentially, the show becomes even greater.

Benjamin said...

tony: he set it up with the old born-on-third-base-and-thinks-he-hit-a-triple riff.

Tony said...

Pudge has been absolute turds for the Yankees this season. Shame they only gave up The Farns for him. That trade still irks me; probably not as much as Tigers fans, though.

Benjamin said...

MIN/SEA underway.

laura k said...

Speaking of great comedy, we watched some classic Honeymooners last night. We were crying with laughter. That show is how old, more than 50 years, and we were absolutely rolling from it. How cool.

allan said...

ish - why not start at the beginning and immerse yourself? even the 1st season is full of gold.

...

"he's a public fornicator!"

A Conformer said...

Britton's face looks crooked on his GDGD photo

Rob said...

This game no longer feels like the opposite of that 4.20.07 green jerseys game with Coco's triple, Oki's first save, etc. That four run lead the Yankees had, the 5 runs the Sox scored in the 8th...

No worries now.

FU Nix!

Jere said...

PIOAH

Benjamin said...

Honeymooners is so old that even the Flinstones is old.

Amy said...

Hot Crisp!

Benjamin said...

Coco isn't soggy tonight.

Rob said...

Do you prefer TV shows that are best viewed sequentially, or shows that are different each episode, that don't need to be seen sequentially?

laura k said...

Lots of Honeymooners in Seinfeld.

Tony said...

Phil, that actually sounds correct. Double, triple...just a little difference in SLG, that's all. :D

allan said...

TOR: 102 000 111 - 6 12 0
FKR: 000 002 000 - 2 7 0

CWS: 211 201 010 - 8 16 1
BAL: 000 100 101 - 3 6 1

starting
MIN:
SEA:

Rob said...

I wonder if Patrick's found any nieces yet.

Jere said...

Britton stole Bruney's old body

9casey said...

L-girl said...
Speaking of great comedy, we watched some classic Honeymooners last night. We were crying with laughter.


Pairs like that are always funny . I still love Abbott and Costello movies..

The Honeymooners, If I am correct took place mostly in that house....right?

Tony said...

I've only seen a few Honeymooners episodes, but the one where Ralph and Ed are doing a live commercial is an absolute laugh riot. The comic timing is almost otherworldly.

laura k said...

I like when there's at least a sequential component, like when I watched ER. Each a separate ep, but some sequential stuff that kept storylines moving.

And you?

(My exception to that was my former Law & Order addiction. Which I have kicked.)

SoSock said...

I, for onr, watched The Honeymooners when it was new. One of our family must-sees.
Gleason, Red Skeleton, Gunsmoke.
That's my parents :)

laura k said...

Chef of the Future! That's a great one.

There are 38 classic episodes, and all but 2 or 3 are amazingly funny.

9casey said...

L-girl said...


(My exception to that was my former Law & Order addiction.


Which cast? I liked Orbach and Bratt...

SoSock said...

Oh, and Lucy and, later, Carol Burnette, who is still my favorite of that whole bunch.

Amy said...

9C, IIRC, all of the Honeymooners episodes were set in the Kramden's two room apartment, but you only saw the front room, never the bedroom.

Rob said...

$$$$ (Canadian)

Benjamin said...

Law & Order has some sequential character. Most characters only have a finite lifespan.

johngoldfine said...

I'm of an age, ahem...to have watched the original Jackie Gleason shows. Suffered through the June Taylor Dancers waiting for Norton and Kramden, or at least Reggie Van Gleason....

laura k said...

Sosock, I watched some when it was new, too. But I have only appreciated it as an adult.

Pairs like that are always funny . I still love Abbott and Costello movies..

Me too

The Honeymooners, If I am correct took place mostly in that house....right?

Yup, in one room, their dumpy Brooklyn apt. A few other sets, but mostly just the apt.

Tony said...

Plucked from RLYW:

"Francona is arguably a worse bullpen manager than Torre. He’s just had better SP the last 3-4 years, and thus fewer innings to manage."

Which, of course, is why the '07 Sox bullpen was lights-out and the '07 Yankees bullpen was a constant disaster waiting to happen. And, of course, Tito didn't have Rivera to lean on and Paps for only a few years But at least the commenter was right about the Sox's superior SP.

And, for the record, Torre couldn't manage his bullpen worth dick in the playoffs, either, whereas Tito plays his playoff pen like a piano. Hooray for alliteration!

allan said...

Cash lines it over a leaping Jeter.

9casey said...

Amy said...
9C, IIRC, all of the Honeymooners episodes were set in the Kramden's two room apartment, but you only saw the front room, never the bedroom


Genius....what is IIRC?

laura k said...

June Taylor dancers, me too. We waited for the Honeymooners at the end.

Benjamin said...
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Amy said...

If I Recall Correctly

allan said...

Britton makes Colon look as skinny as a straw.

Benjamin said...

Slots 7-9, I meant.

laura k said...

Amy, not all episodes. There were other sets - the Racoon lodge, Norton's apartment, another room here and there.

IIRC = if I recall correctly

Rob said...

I like that sequential component myself, as well. Law & Order is one of those shows that has the tiniest sequential components. But then I like a show where you have to keep with it. It's got to be good enough to keep my attention, though. Only a couple of shows today do that. Once I miss an episode or two, that's it. I'm no longer interested.

9casey said...

Amy said...
If I Recall Correctly

Thanks

Benjamin said...

At least Fred Thompson isn't DA anymore.

laura k said...

Law & Order has some sequential character. Most characters only have a finite lifespan.

Maybe after I gave it up? The many years I watched it, there was no carryover, you could watch episodes in any order, it made no diff.

johngoldfine said...

I always wanted to see the rest of the apartment; I would sketch it out in my mind, not that my experience of Brooklyn apts was that great in 1955....

9casey said...

phil said...
At least Fred Thompson isn't DA anymore.

He was better than Dianne Weist. She was awful

A Conformer said...

I don't know how to do it in an easy way, and I'm not bored enough to do it the hard way, but I'm pretty sure the bottom of the order must be around a 300/450 AVG/OBP on the last week.

laura k said...

Ish, me too. I don't watch anything any more tho. Just baseball, movies, and comedy reruns (of 2 or 3 shows) that help me fall asleep.

Benjamin said...

As if Manhattan hasn't had the same non-Southern DA for 35 years.

9casey said...

johngoldfine said...
I always wanted to see the rest of the apartment; I would sketch it out in my mind,



In color or Balck and White?

laura k said...

I loved Dianne Weist as DA. She was the only interesting DA, I thought.

Amy said...

I thought I saw the Honeymooners when it was new, but I just checked the dates. Its last season was 1957. I was only 5. I doubt I saw any of them new. I doubt you did either, Laura! SoSock, you can determine for yourself. I think we all saw it in reruns but THOUGHT they were new.

Now if I am wrong about this, then so is the Internet.

johngoldfine said...

B & W, of course! Who knew color?

Rob said...

I loved watching Jerry Orbach on Law & Order. There was a short-lived spin-off of Law & Order that Orbach played a character in (might have been Lennie Briscoe like the original), when he had lung cancer, and at the end of the episode his voice was so faint. He died shortly after.

Benjamin said...

Steven Hill's still my favorite. He nailed Morgenthau.

Amy said...

Honeymooners information

laura k said...

As if Manhattan hasn't had the same non-Southern DA for 35 years.

I assume you know that "Adam" was based on Morgenthau, but they gave up that whole thing.

Amazing how the DA's office attracts a string of such gorgeous, leggy ADA's...

9casey said...

L-girl said...
I loved Dianne Weist as DA. She was the only interesting DA, I thought.


She had like 5 lines an episode.
She was good in that Steve Martin movie about the familes..

johngoldfine said...

Heh, I was not 5 in 1957, amy--not even close, alas....

Rob said...

Heh, wow. Take a seat, Johnny.

laura k said...

Great for acting careers tho. Every actor's resume in the US has to have at least one episode of L&O on it.

Benjamin said...

No dong for you, Damon.

laura k said...

Well, I have a connection to Dianne Weist. She's a great actor.

SoSock said...

As much as I liked The Honeymooners, Tim Conway on Caroll Burnette still takes the cake. I did use the term, "One of these days, Alice, to the moon!" just recently.

Benjamin said...

Morgenthau's an Amherst alumnus, of course.

9casey said...

L-girl said...
Amazing how the DA's office attracts a string of such gorgeous, leggy ADA's...


The new one is smokin'

Rob said...

Amazing how the DA's office attracts a string of such gorgeous, leggy ADA's...

Recently there was also a gorgeous, leggy detective. I think it was the season before last.

First error for Lowrie in a Sox uniform... Use to force, Luke!

laura k said...

I guess I didn't see the Mooners live. I watched the Jackie Gleason show and there was a Honeymooners at the end of each show. I guess they were re-runs then, but new to me! This was in the early 60s.

9casey said...

L-girl said...
Well, I have a connection to Dianne Weist. She's a great actor.



Do tell

Amy said...

John, there is a book called TV Sets where the author drew floor plans for lots of classic TV shows. I have it somewhere. I used to love doing that also, so when I heard about that book, I had to do it. I always tried to imagine Dick Van Dyke's house, Beaver's house, etc.

allan said...

on the side cameras, there are A LOT OF EMPTY SEATS! ahhhh those loyal yankees fans, always keeping the faith.

laura k said...

The Carol Burnett show had so many funny people! She was amazing.

The new one is smokin'

Nothing new there.

A Conformer said...

So, a dilemma: chocolate ice cream or red wine?

Life is hard.

Amy said...

2 away!

9casey said...

Amy said...
John, there is a book called TV Sets where the author drew floor plans for lots of classic TV shows. I have it somewhere. I used to love doing that also, so when I heard about that book, I had to do it. I always tried to imagine Dick Van Dyke's house, Beaver's house, etc.



I always wanted to live in the Brady house

johngoldfine said...

Oh god, l-girl--I just remembered. Even worse than June Taylor: the Tommy Dorsey Orchestra.

Rob said...

These days I watch one TV show (Burn Notice) in the summer, and I think there are usually one or two in the winter I watch. Plus Top Gear (british motoring show, comedy), which is on both winters and summers.

I like House, used to like Nip Tuck...

LISTEN TO THE BOOS! Wow! He's getting booed worse than Bot did!

allan said...

alex = tonight's mr. 27?

leather lungs are standing by ........

JCal76 said...

Hansen being Hansen in Pittsburgh

laura k said...

9C, nothing much to tell, just from my theatre days.

Well, there are a few things.

Rob said...

At this point Jimmy Rollins is saying "I'm glad I'm playing in Philadelphia."

His comment about Phillies fans and how they boo, etc. Not sure the exact quote, but he got booed for quite a few games until he reached base five times last night.

johngoldfine said...

I'll look it up, amy, though my time as bf to a set carpenter's sister (what a bore, the carpenter, not the gf!) might have soured me.

allan said...

if slappy dongs, it's only 7-5, so he is merely padding his stats.

if he makes an out, he sucks.

Amy said...

Come on, one more strike. I want him to make the last out.

laura k said...

Ofer: both!

Benjamin said...

Water.

A Conformer said...

He has to strike out. It's written in the stars.

Rob said...

FIRST ROUND OF DIRTY WATER IS ON ME!!!

Amy said...

YESYESYES!!

Dirty water in the Bronx tonight!

Benjamin said...

K K DP DP Flyout.

laura k said...

Dirty, dirty water!!!

laura k said...

JohnGF: *shudder*

allan said...

yanks playing frank even for losses now.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

9casey said...

redsock said...
if slappy dongs, it's only 7-5, so he is merely padding his stats.

if he makes an out, he sucks



He sucks

Rob said...

I love hearing "New York, New York" reverberating throughout Yankee Stadium.

Rob said...

I love hearing "New York, New York" reverberating throughout Yankee Stadium.

For losses, I mean. I always got confused by which song was played for wins and losses.

Amy said...

Here's the link to the book, John.

9casey said...

I wonder how many fists Nix to the face tonight.....

andy said...

yay!

johngoldfine said...

Jeez, l-girl, what should I say? Way too lazy to type out 'girfriend.' Sweetie, squeeze?

Rob said...

Gumball on the radio with Dave and Castig.

SoSock said...

Who better to end this game? :)

Rob said...

"Had a little extra adrenaline today, made me run extra fast."

johngoldfine said...

TY, amy.

laura k said...

JohnGF, I was shuddering over the TOmmy Dorsey Orchestra!

Tony said...

Sit on it, Slappy!

In lieu of "agua sucia", I'll just post this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-JA4LHKVJQ

A Conformer said...

HA! He did.

And a literary interlude:

"My soul was faint and all of a sudden it was just as though he had emptied a pail of dirty water over me."

(The Brothers Karamazov, Fyodor Dostoevsky)

Rob said...

"I was really nervous... That's the way I like it. If you're not nervous, something's wrong with you."

Gumball.

Amy said...

Now can we just win the next 2 just like this??

johngoldfine said...

My word, amy--looks weird & wild.

laura k said...

(The Brothers Karamazov, Fyodor Dostoevsky)

Our new literary mascot!

Rob said...

Gumball took the taxi to the Stadium, couldn't figure out how to get in the place, then they didn't believe he was a player. Took a few minutes to convince them.

laura k said...

Have any of you read "The Brothers K"? Very good baseball fiction loosely themed on the Bros Karamazov.

Tony said...

Oh yeah, I forgot I could do HTML. Let's try this again:

The Standells - Dirty Water

Pepe Lepew said...

Red Sox win, Evil Rays lose, Yankees lose, A-Rod leaves a boatload of guys on base.
Today was a good day.

Rob said...

Bailey: "Next time I'm gonna try to hit a couple balls in the gap."

johngoldfine said...

l-girl--I getcha! Nice to win in the Bronx....

allan said...

"I'm Gumball, dammit!"

:>)

laura k said...

JohnGoldfine, I hope you saw my explanation, above!

Tony said...

Red Sox win, Evil Rays lose, Yankees lose, A-Rod leaves a boatload of guys on base.
Today was a good day.


And you didn't even have to use your AK. :)

laura k said...

Oh yes, there it is. *I* was too lazy to type your whole last name. :)

allan said...

We close to 3.5 GB in the East and drop the MFY to 6 GB in the WC.

TABLOID FUN in the morning!!!!!

johngoldfine said...

Yep, no Tommy Dorsey lover....

9casey said...

Later peeps...

A Conformer said...

Have any of you read "The Brothers K"? Very good baseball fiction loosely themed on the Bros Karamazov.

I'm reading the original right now. Might move on to the baseball version later. I hope the Bros K are pitchers and not hitters...

johngoldfine said...

Shit, l-girl, I am too lazy to type it out myself most times! J-Go is my self-styling.

SoSock said...

So I get a real education tonight. I have always thought those episodes of The Jackie Gleason Show we were watching were new.
Apparently NOT.
Cool. Learn something new every day. Especially here :)

A Conformer said...

L, I've started on the wine. The chocolate ice cream will have to wait to see if I choose to it it or not.

Let's sweep this fuckers.

Rob said...

Red Sox win = fantastic
Rays lose = fantastic
Yankees lose = HAHAHA
White Sox win = good.

Here's hoping for a Twins loss.

Rob said...

Amazing how important this game was for the Yankees and how they LOST. HA. Best they can do is come out of this series 4 GB of the Red Sox. You had to sweep, and you didn't. Screw you, MFY.

A Conformer said...

White Sox win = good.

How is the WS winning a good thing? They're supposed to lose any game that isn't against the Rays, MFY, and Twins (and the Twins depends on the situation that day). Oh, yeah, and they should win or lose by a lot against the LAAA- don't want Krod getting any more saves.

Tony said...

I love the fact that the MFY do not control their destiny, and the Sox get the chance to steer their destiny directly into a brick wall. It makes these kinds of wins all the more satisfying.

Amy said...

I loved that book. It made me realize other people were just as strange as I was, trying to visualize floorplans for fake houses.

BTW, my father is an architect...

Pepe Lepew said...

Tony said...

Red Sox win, Evil Rays lose, Yankees lose, A-Rod leaves a boatload of guys on base.
Today was a good day.

And you didn't even have to use your AK. :)

Wow! Going old skool!

laura k said...

Ofer, they are pitchers, IIRC, but I read it a long time ago.

I haven't read the real thing, but I have read Crime and Punishment, which had a great influence on me.

G'night all.

SoSock said...

Mariners score fist!

allan said...

BTW, my father is an architect...

My father always wanted to pretend he was an architect.

Tony said...

Wow! Going old skool!

I am a man of many interests, my friend. Listening to kick-ass rap is one of them. ;)

Rob said...

White Sox win = good.

How is the WS winning a good thing? They're supposed to lose any game that isn't against the Rays, MFY, and Twins (and the Twins depends on the situation that day). Oh, yeah, and they should win or lose by a lot against the LAAA- don't want Krod getting any more saves.


Keep them in the AL Central lead. Widen the gap between them and the Twins. I mean, they can lose also, and it'd be fine. Just as long as one of those two teams falls off the chart.

allan said...

And a literary interlude:

"My soul was faint and all of a sudden it was just as though he had emptied a pail of dirty water over me."

(The Brothers Karamazov, Fyodor Dostoevsky)


I may have to steal this for my subtitle.

Amy said...

OK, I am going to sign off. Hoping for a repeat for tomorrow, though I will be teaching til 9 pm, unfortunately.

Amy said...

LOL, Allan, for yet another Seinfeld reference!

Rob said...

2-0 Seattle after 2...

SoSock said...

They also scored fiRst

A Conformer said...

I may have to steal this for my subtitle.

Go ahead. You're stealing from a man who died more than a 120 years ago. I think he will not sue.

It seems like the Sox have traded for Kotsay. As long as it's not a good prospect, it's a solid addition.

SoSock said...

manana

btw - is there a way to put a tilde on a letter?

Rob said...

So, right now the Red Sox are 2 GA the Twins... Loss would be 2.5. More comfortable.

A Conformer said...

btw - is there a way to put a tilde on a letter?

alt-164 (on the numeric pad) should work in a non-spanish keyboard.

Rob said...

Have they completed the trade yet? All I see is they're "close" but he hasn't approved a trade yet.

allan said...

Listening to kick-ass rap is one of them. ;)

... Comin out feelin about ten pounds lighter.

Rob said...

Braves held Kotsay out of the lineup today...

A Conformer said...

Have they completed the trade yet? All I see is they're "close" but he hasn't approved a trade yet.

Edes said it's a done deal. FWIW

allan said...

Holy Shit!
As the game ended, I got an email from the great-grandson of a minor character in my book.

A Conformer said...

Wow, Cliff Lee won his 19th game and Cleveland passed Detroit for third place in the Central. Does the BBWAA have the same 'must play for a winning team' bias for the Cy Young, or is it just for the MVP?

Tony said...

... Comin out feelin about ten pounds lighter.

Ah, very nice! Always good to see redsock keeping up with the kids and their crazy hippity-hoppity. :D

It's weird that the Sox are getting Kotsay...I have a very old version of OOTP from 2000, and every time I run a season I immediately trade for him. He can't hit worth shit in the game, but he's an A defender, and you can never have enough of those.

allan said...

SoSH says Rogers Sportsnet and Edes say DONE.

allan said...

I reviewed that album when it came out -- for a monthly Canadian music magazine!

It can't touch Amerika's Most Wanted. That album kicks "more ass than a donkey". Also downloaded today what is supposedly a kick ass PE show from 1994 or so.

A Conformer said...

Holy Shit!
As the game ended, I got an email from the great-grandson of a minor character in my book.


If your book wasn't non-fiction that would've been VERY scary.

laura k said...

Does the BBWAA have the same 'must play for a winning team' bias for the Cy Young, or is it just for the MVP?

I don't think they do for CY, but they are obsessed with wins.

Tony said...

It can't touch Amerika's Most Wanted. That album kicks "more ass than a donkey". Also downloaded today what is supposedly a kick ass PE show from 1994 or so.

I'd hug you if you weren't in Canada and it wasn't socially awkward. Amerikkka's Most Wanted is, IMO, the great lost hip-hop classic that nobody ever talks about. It's way better than any NWA album, and at least as good as Fear of a Black Planet, if not Nation of Millions. I've always wondered why the Bomb Squad didn't do more outside production.

And now I'm totally excited to hear the PE show. Those guys could kick up quite a riot on stage.

laura k said...

If your book wasn't non-fiction that would've been VERY scary.

LOL

But it's still friggin amazing!

laura k said...

Always good to see redsock keeping up with the kids and their crazy hippity-hoppity. :D

My eyes hurt from so much rolling!

9casey said...

Kim Jones of Yes to A-rod: Do you hear the Boos
A-rod: oh yeah, there loud.

allan said...

I can probably up the PE show on an off-day.

I also saw them at some point prior to 1994 -- since I started the book research that winter. I remember the show being so-so, some really great, some pretty weak. I think Onyx opened up (back the fuck up).

Always liked how Chuck D cited Marv Albert's announcing of Knicks games as a huge influence.

I hear PE is touring now and playing Nation of Millions in order....

allan said...

May have to drag that Cube CD out tomorrow.

9casey said...

PE's "It takes a nation" the first rap tape I actually listened to front to back 5 times in one day....

laura k said...

Kim Jones of Yes to A-rod: Do you hear the Boos
A-rod: oh yeah, there loud.


I give him a bit of credit for that. They usually all swear they don't hear them.

Tony said...

I listened to Nation of Millions when I was 14 or 15. That, and Paul's Boutique, helped shape a lot of my musical tastes.

PE did Nation in full for Don't Look Back, a series of bands performing classic albums in full. GZA did it with Liquid Swords, Slint with Spiderland, and Mission of Burma with Vs., to name a few. IIRC, at the PE show Flava Flav plugged one of his new VH1 projects, and seemed genuinely shocked when some people in the crowd booed.

9casey said...

Tony said...
I listened to Nation of Millions when I was 14 or 15. That, and Paul's Boutique, helped shape a lot of my musical tastes.


Was a huge Beastie fan as well but them and PE didn't shape my musical tastes...In more in fact just reiterates how bad the crap is out there today back then it was called rap today it is hip-hop that change killed rap music....Rock was formed with the Stones and later on Zeppelin, but there is still some good rock music today, hip-hop, (rap) just was never able to capture the longevity it should have...

Tony said...

9casey, there's still good hip-hop out there; just gotta know where to look. My present day go-tos are Nas (occasionally), Ghostface Killah, and Lupe Fiasco. Ghostface's Supreme Clientele is almost certainly the best rap album of this decade.

Zenslinger said...

This was a fun game to watch at the Bar with some Yankee fans about but the vibe staying relatively civilized. A-Rod's failures were epic.

If we were to sweep 'em...damn. Almost equivalent to Boston Massacares past.

allan said...

If we were to sweep 'em...damn. Almost equivalent to Boston Massacares past.

Nah. They were about tied for first then - one team rising, one sinking -- and there was no wild card.

Much different now (and in 2006 too). Despite nix's claim in comment #1, the Yanks are dead. Even if they swept us, they are still dead team walking. No chance. Lights are out.

I will accept a sweep, though, and I will do a little celebration jig!

Tony said...

Allan, serious question and rather off-topic...do you ever find yourself condescending towards younger folk or feeling like "I know more than you, junior"? I just had that experience over the past few days w/r/t my blog, and it's been all I can do to not lose my cool and to stay as polite as possible. I mean, I have nothing but respect for my elders, and sometimes I wonder why that is (occasionally) not reciprocated.

9casey said...

Tony said...
Allan, serious question and rather off-topic...do you ever find yourself condescending towards younger folk or feeling like "I know more than you, junior"?


Allan dosn't care about age he will call out anyone....I know you didn't ask me but I think he might have a tough time answering that one....or maybe he won't.

9casey said...

And Tony ...you are 26...is that young these days?.....

Tony said...

26 is still young, I think. I hope.

I didn't quite mean in the sense of calling out bullshit, I just meant the concept of assuming that age and accumulated wisdom always trumps any opinion of somebody younger than you.

Zenslinger said...

Nah. They were about tied for first then - one team rising, one sinking -- and there was no wild card.

Yeah. I guess I was thinking more of 2006. And there's a reason I said "Almost". In terms of quashing these hopes Yankee fans still entertain about the playoffs -- and in terms of giving us the boost we need while just stomping them down -- it would be utterly sweet.

Tony said...

2006 still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I know it shouldn't, but that was one Murphy's Law of a season, and the Yankee mid-summer sweep crushed the shit out of me. Getting to return the favor this year would just be the best.

allan said...

Allan, serious question and rather off-topic...do you ever find yourself condescending towards younger folk or feeling like "I know more than you, junior"?

Allan dosn't care about age he will call out anyone....I know you didn't ask me but I think he might have a tough time answering that one....or maybe he won't.


Depends what the subject is. I like to think I won't spout off on stuff I don't know much about. I hate people who do that. But on subjects that I think I know a fair amount about, yeah, I usually feel that way (regardless of age)!

Where it gets tricky is when the subjects themselves are more subjective than 2+2=4. I think my political opinions are right -- in the same way, I suppose, we were talking earlier about religious beliefs -- though some people would obviously strongly disagree. I hear them and I think I know more or am more enlightened.

And it seems like a common knee-jerk response to hear someone younger talk and think "what do you know, you weren't even alive then". Which can be totally unfair -- I wrote a book about a baseball team that was around 45 years before I was born. Then again, older people with direct knowledge of something can be just as off-base.

Basically, it comes down to this: Anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot.

>>>

By the way, I was reading some your Dylan posts today. The 2nd album. Truly excellent stuff. If I was doing that, I'd be much more of a reporter and it would be a lot duller. I doubt I could do something along the lines of what you are doing. I'm not overly familiar with his pre-electric stuff, so I can't wait until you move further into the catalog.

allan said...

26 is young.

allan said...

MIN: 000 002 0
SEA: 020 001

Tony said...

Thanks for the response, Allan. I was expecting a very well-measured and intelligent response, and was not disappointed. I'm especially glad to hear that you avoid the pitfall of giving people shit simply because they're younger than you and might have opinions on things that happened before they were born.

I actually find myself descending into snobbery (I'm a music fan, what can I say), and I'm often ashamed by it, because I feel so strongly that I'm right when I say that Forever Changes isn't that great or that In Rainbows is actually Radiohead's best album. Of course, it's all subjective, and it'd do me well to always keep that in mind.

As far as everything else goes, I find myself remembering what Chris Rock says in Dogma: "I'm not a big fan of beliefs...I prefer to just have ideas".

And thank you for the compliments about my blog! I swear to God I'm not soliciting; if I were, I'd like to think I could be more subtle. :) And I fully believe that if you'd expanded your "Something Else" posts to their own blog, it'd be just as good as mine. They never fail to interest me.

Basically, it comes down to this: Anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot.

I'm fully on board with this.

Tony said...

And on that note, I'm heading to bed. See you all tomorrow!

Benjamin said...

Twins are trailing Seattle 3-2 in the bottom of the eighth.

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