Drew: 3-for-5, 2 2B, 2 RBI
Lugo: 2-for-3, 2B, BB, 2 RBI
Varitek: 1-for-3, 2 BB, 2 RS
Pedroia: 2-for-4, RBI
Ortiz and Manny: 1-for-9, 5 K, 13 total LOB
Chokers in Cleveland (Mussina/Byrd) at 7 PM. Feel free to discuss here.
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Josh Beckett (3.31, 137 ERA+) / Garrett Olson (3.86, 113 ERA+)
Itching to see a no-hitter? Well ...
No Red Sox hitter has faced 23-year-old Garrett Olson, who will make just his third Major League start.It's the Fox game.
294 comments:
1 – 200 of 294 Newer› Newest»Why yes, I was rater wanting to see a no-hitter. I'd just rather see it from INSIDE the ballpark than via slingbox on my phone from the jersey turnpike which is seeming more and more likely. Grrr... 20mph would be an improvement.
I'm thinking that Cy Olson will do the honors, however, not JB.
Yeah, I hear you there, but I'm choosing to believe otherwise! Not that it matters, since I'm not likely to see any of it at this rate. Still in Jersey.
Lineups?
Steven Krasner has 'em:
Pedroia 2b
Youkilis 1b
Ortiz dh
Ramirez lf
Lowell 3b
Varitek c
Drew rf
Crisp cf
Lugo ss
Roberts 2b
Patterson cf
Markakis rf
Tejada ss
Millar 1b
Huff dh
Mora 3b
Hernandez c
Payton lf
More from the ProJo blog:
Dustin Pedroia has multiple hits in 12 of his last 21 games. He is 34 for 88 (.386) during that stretch. Pedroia has a team-high five-game hitting streak, during which he is 9 for 18 (.500) with a double, a home run and a walk.
J.D. Drew has not hit a home run since June 20, in Atlanta.
Eric Gagne has surrendered six runs in 3.1 innings since joining the Red Sox.
Orioles vs. Josh Beckett
Jay Payton, 8 for 18 (.444)
Brian Roberts, 3 for 9 (.333), 2 2B, HR, BB
Melvin Mora, 2 for 7 (.286), 2 2B
Ramon Hernandez, 5 for 18 (.278), 3 2B
Aubrey Huff, 4 for 15 (.267), 2B, BB
Nick Markakis, 2 for 10 (.200), 2B, 2 BB
Tike Redman, 1 for 5 (.200), BB
Kevin Millar, 1 for 6 (.167)
Miguel Tejada, 2 for 13 (.154), HR
Corey Patterson, 1 for 12 (.083), BB
Brandon Fahey, 0 for 3
Paul Bako, 0 for 7, 3 BB
Jay Gibbons, 0 for 11
Brian Roberts, 3 for 9 (.333), 2 2B, HR, BB
Melvin Mora, 2 for 7 (.286), 2 2B
Ramon Hernandez, 5 for 18 (.278), 3 2B
A high % of extra bases hits from these guys: 8 out of of 10!
The Sox are winning this one. Big time. Olson's getting crushed. (Please?)
You know, I just don't set much store by individual pitcher-batter lifetime stats. Even 50, 100 at-bats between them, it seems like it would be more an indication of who had been lucky than who owned whom.
I totally agree. Just offering them as a public service.
You know, I just don't set much store by individual pitcher-batter lifetime stats. Even 50, 100 at-bats between them, it seems like it would be more an indication of who had been lucky than who owned whom.
Especially in long careers. It's meaningless.
Although my least favourite is batter or pitcher vs teams. That's just completely ridiculous.
Although my least favourite is batter or pitcher vs teams.
What about the "modest three-game hitting streak"?
wow living in brookyln i never get to see the sox on fox! good thhing the mets and MFY play later...
yes, we SHOULD wins this puppy.
Why don't you get the Fox national game in Brooklyn when the Sox are on? We always did in NYC.
What about the "modest three-game hitting streak"?
argh
Is he riding that streak, or toting it?
L-girl said...
Why don't you get the Fox national game in Brooklyn when the Sox are on? We always did in NYC.
cause they usually show the yanks or the mets....
cause they usually show the yanks or the mets....
You mean there are two national games and one of them usually is a NY team?
LOB-otomy.
No fair balls hit by the Sox until Olson's 24th pitch.
I wonder what the known record is?
not sure how it works...it seems like theres a couple of "national games" depending which market yr in. all i know is that i missed maybe 4 or 5 sox games last year do to this and i believe 2 so far...and had to suffer thru gameday.
today for instance, if i lived in st. louis id be seeing the la/cards game...
there goes the no-hitter
Got to be either BBs or Ks to start a game.
Tigers record for consecutive strikeouts to start a game is 6 by John Hiller against Cleveland, August 6, 1968
Mets record is also 6 -- Pete Falcone, vs. Philadelphia, May 1, 1980
World Series record is 5
Mort Cooper, Cardinals, October 11, 1943
Sandy Koufax, Dodgers, October 23, 1963
fuck yeah... dp!
Allan, what are you on about?
AL record is 7 -- Joe Cowley of Rangers against Chicago, May 28, 1986 (no pitch count available)
I'm wondering what the most pitches a pitcher has thrown in a start before a fair ball is hit.
Olson threw 23 today.
The pitcher can only walk, strikeout or hit the batters.
How are you looking it up?
And there goes the other no-hitter! Tangible.
Yippie kiiii now lets get them home
b2b hits from varitek and dj werd - what are the odds?!
No question we make the Beckett deal! You'd give up Beckett for Hanley Ramirez? Shit.
pitching pitching pitching
that's how you win in october. not hanley ramirez vs lugo.
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anyone?
fuckin coco.
let's not waste this.
How are you looking it up?
The Google.
"most strikeouts to start game"
Hardly the best way.
I'm stopping now, though.
i'll continue to curse lugo if he keeps producing everythime i voice my haterd for him!
Hanley Ramirez is Jose Reyes Jr.
Funny you say that. I think Jose Reyes is so over-rated.
Beckett is money, but he will get hurt.
Hanley Ramirez will never get hurt?
IMO, the answer to your original question is obvious. I'm interested to hear what others say. Redsock, 9Casey, s1c...?
Hanley Ramirez is Jose Reyes Jr.. what he brings to your ballclub is inestimable.
It's intangible??? I want stuff that can be measured, stuff that contributes to wins.
You can't get pitchers like Beckett for free, you got to give up quality (or potential quality). I do the trade 11 out of 10 times.
hanley ramirez already got hurt.
hes gonna have that shoulder problem for the rest of his life. popping in and out..
I was pretty shocked at how badly Lugo has been doing this year... he's always been a pretty solid player.
Sure, we all were. He's been fine since the huge o-fer ended.
(Didn't someone post his numbers since July 8 yesterday?)
i'll continue to curse lugo if he keeps producing everythime i voice my haterd for him!
Keep it up, you're doing great!
I'm stopping now, though.
I'm glad. :)
Yes, Lugo has been mostly a big bag of suck. A 63 OPS+ (hell, even the SWHB is at 74).
Any Yankees near 63 for comparison? Cairo is at 70. Kevin Thompson at 59.
No one expected such a dismal performance. I wish Tito would stop hitting him leadoff every so often. It's beyond stupid.
Hey you all, even though I'm at work today, I'm in a great mood, listening to music and following the game on gameday, and here's my prediction for the rest of the season.
The Yankees will never come closer than 5 games of us.
And they will lose the wildcard by 1 game.
How's that? (Yankee Mike, your answer doesn't count. :) )
anyone else feel like theyre watching C's vs. Hawks '88 style, with dick stockton doing the game? haha
nice 1-2-3
Come on Manny, over the wall with that ball!
And Beckett is young. He's only six month older than Papelbon.
Plus we signed me after the trade for 3 years at an average of only 10 per (and a club option for 2010).
anyone who thinks Jose Reyes is overrated, has never seen him play
and anyone who thinks that's how you judge a player's worth isn't really qualified to judge
It's also unfortunate not enough national attention gets drawn to the 100 million being dished out for Drew and Lugo.
Why's that, Mike? Why should "national attention" be drawn to two players salaries? What's your point?
I don't get it. The day I'd wander over to a Yankees blog to say "Jeter - I hate him deeply, but imagine...".
(I don't hate Jeter deeply or any other way. I'm just wondering why people bother.)
Ortiz having to take so many days off is going to be huge...
There has been no mention whatsoever of his future playing schedule.
Pedroia, I hate him deeply
Why?
And Beckett is young. He's only six month older than Papelbon.
Oh yeah? Well Hanley Ramirez is only 2 years old!
dr doubles!
dr doubles!
wow, same typing and everything :)
Yeah, the Red Sox are never a national story. Toiling away in obscurity.
And spending all that money. How awful. Says a Yankees fan.
But don't worry, he's "respectful".
Beckett, you make the trade every time. Hanley will be a good SS, but Beckett has the potential to win 18-20 games per year for the next 14 years. As for injuries? He has had 1 since he became a sox and missed 3 starts. That is much better than the Marlins every got out of him.
as L-girl said PITCHING, PITCHING❣ ❣
Drew❣ ❣
Glad folks agree re Hanley/ Beckett. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
s1c what do those squares mean?
Mike said...
Ortiz ... Pedroia ... Lowell ... 100 million being dished out for Drew and Lugo.
It sounds like you are trolling for an argument.
We don't do that here.
Big heart Exclamations
I will try harder not to take the bait.
Big heart Exclamations
:-D
the squares are symbols of some type (typing alt-xxx). they don't come through.
the squares are symbols of some type
that much i knew. i was looking for the translation.
what with the fucking first pitch hacking, ococ?
the better to make 2 outs with
This game is very important. Now is no time for a slide.... NY is right behind us and crushing their opponents in the proces.
if he wants to hang out and chat, that's cool. (we had fun with that tigers fan during the detroit series.)
but anything even remotely trollish will be deleted asap. i don't issue warnings.
This game is very important. Now is no time for a slide.... NY is right behind us and crushing their opponents in the proces.
I disagree.
Five games is not "right behind". This game is no more important than any other game. We have to win as many as possible.
See you in the playoffs
If you have a television, you can.
you all are so jaded
you should get a dictionary.
you can love Beckett all you want, but you cannot discredit Hanley's talent
find one post where anyone did that.
go. now. find one.
you asked a question, we all answered. we'd rather have beckett than hanley ramirez. no one discredited hanley.
I'm not very good at that not-baiting-taking thing, am I.
my 4 years of going to school in boston have made me bitter.
Four years of school in Boston? Poor kid. The owner of this blog lived in NYC for almost 20 years.
could we discuss the fucking game, please? or cereal? or some county in CT without nesn?
in second place, not very far behind are the Red Sox...whose fans cry Evil Empire. 100 million for Dice K, 70 for JD drew, 40 for Lugo...
give it a fucking rest.
see you in the first round.
it is impossible for the sox and yanks to meet in the first round.
Fragging dog - making me miss posts the squares are symbols of some type (typing alt-xxx). they don't come through.
Actually I am using the decimal Unicode for the heart.
Feeling pretty good since I actually got some fragging sleep today! So thought I would be different. However, if L-girl is getting just boxes it just isn't worth the effort :)
Re payroll, read here.
could we discuss the fucking game, please? or cereal? or some county in CT without nesn?
i'm trying. you wouldn't believe it, but i'm actually trying to restrain myself.
ok, back to the game.
i promise.
Mother Fucking Yankees.
wild card cannot play team within its own division
re payroll, go Imitation.
hey don't curse at your dog :)
Whew - lucked out there!
Shut up about the MFY!
Mike... the Yankees are not the "Evil Empire", just a monopoly on a sport. When teams have all the cash to get what players they wat while other teams can't, the sport becomes less competitive. In essence, NY has always had the capital, hence the amount of championships and Pennants.
Baseball needs a cap, that insures competition nd spreads the fan nostalgia of a possibility that any team could go to the World Series. As a result, baseball would generate more money....
Monopolies kill competition making baseball less of a game between players and more of a business.
You can be anti-Yankees and still be anti-salary-cap. I oppose a salary cap.
But we're trying to talk about the game, right?
Not cursing, he's just driving me nuts. About the third time in the last 30 minutes that he has been back and forth from outside!
Baseball has been a business since 1860 or so.
This ain't new.
Monopolies kill competition making baseball less of a game between players and more of a business.
Markus, baseball is a business and always has been.
You might not want to use that argument, it is too easily ripped.
And how the hell can 1 team out of 30 be a monopoly?
Haha..
MFY...'Jeter Swallows'...etc.
That's precisely the thing I am talking about.
Should've known..
Jesus Mike, have you been to Yankee Stadium when the Sox are in town????
My only problem with the salary structure right now, is that if you are going to enforce a Luxury Tax that spreads money to the smaller market teams, THEY NEED TO SPEND THAT MONEY TO MAKE THEIR TEAM BETTER, not pocket it.
End of Rant.
'Jeter Swallows'
Actually that's the kind of shit I delete.
its nice being a red sox fan right nw. you only have to worry about yrself.
as for the yanks, they have to worry about not only themselves...but a lot of different variables.
s1c, you're so right. it's amazing that the owners of the Royals, Twins, etc can just pocket that money, not even obliged to put it back into player development or salaries.
Actually that's the kind of shit I delete. ditto!
Fair shmair, you are ruining this game thread.
Oh, P.S.
We don't say "That said" around here.
Seriously.
I was wondering if you'd snag him on that! :)
Mike, if you have to interview us, could you at least ask questions that make one iota of sense?
What is wrong with boiler rooms? freaking spend most of my life in those!
Come on Josh, lets get a DP here. Ok, a K will do!
The Yankee teams that actually starting win the WS recently weren't built on high payroll...'96? '98? no way.
The 1996 Yankees had the #1 payroll.
The 1997 Yankees had the #1 payroll.
The 1998 Yankees had the #2 payroll. ($200,000 less than Baltimore)
The 1999 Yankees had the #1 payroll.
The 2000 Yankees had the #1 payroll.
The 2001 Yankees had the #1 payroll.
The 2002 Yankees had the #1 payroll.
The 2003 Yankees had the #1 payroll.
Do I need to go on?
boiler rooms? what i miss?
TEK - Oh Captain, My Captain!
redsock... In general you are right. I'm implying a balance between sport and business. The business end insures that teams like NY will become yearly favorites with the revenue they generate. Some favor the business aspect over the game. I would just like balance....
Let coaches and players decide what teams wins the game. $$$$$ has too much influence on the game.
Closer.
Heh, that's where Allan went, he was collecting links. :)
And yes it has sort of sucked to be a Yankee fan this year...
Poor you.
Fox was making fun of Francona meeting with Papelbon in the Boiler room of his apartment. At least he wasn't boiling etc.
$$$$$ has too much influence on the game.
I could show you quotes from 1860, 1890, 1910, 1930, 1950, 1970 and 2000 that say this exact thing.
It has never been any other way.
Do I need to go on?
Actually, I don't because even though they still have the #1 payroll, they've stopped winning.
Facts are wonderful things. We rely on them here.
I know my shit, please don't treat me like I don't.
Please don't come around here asking stupid questions.
Money and who has it will always be a part of the game. Always has been. Go back and look at year end trades before free agency and you will see a ton being for cash considerations. That is why the KC Royals etc. have to be smart with their scouting etc.
That's just my opinion. It's not my blog.
Beckett, Dice-K, Wakefield, Lester
Buchholz? Someone from somewhere else? The Bot will not start.
I know my shit, please don't treat me like I don't.
Except for the first place team not playing the wild card from its own division, perhaps.
that makes your rotation next year: Beckett, Dice-K, Wakefield, Lester?
Yeah, Theo will forget to get us a 5th starter or to replace Wakefield if necessary. If Schilling leaves and Papelbon closes, I guess we'll just have a 3 man staff.
Now I have work. See you soon.
Mike, perhaps you "know your shit" on things Yankees-related. However, if you knew the first thing about the Red Sox, you would know that Papelbon is the closer. Period.
I better get out of here while this "respectful" Yankees fan is hanging around. Later.
Beckett, Dice-K, Wakefield, Lester?
Hmm, let's see thats 14 wins, 13 wins, 13 wins as of right now. So the top three next year will probably be projected to win somewhere between 52-58 games.
Oh, yeah, lets not forget Bucholtz who might win 10 games next year just in august and september.
I will take those four or five pitchers.
Meanwhile the Yanks top three will be Wang (good but over rated), Hughes (might win 15) and who?
Who cares about separation? I don't. (I don't even care that their payroll is so high.)
You wrote The Yankee teams that actually starting win the WS recently weren't built on high payroll ... no way.
The #1 payroll is high -- by definition.
You were dead wrong. On every single year.
Wow you all are testy in here... good God.
No one is forcing you to stay.
FYI: Unlike 99% of most blogs, boards, etc., I insist on civil behaviour. Trolling for comments on Sox salary or whatever will not be met with happiness.
So be civil or go the fuck home.
Not 20 years in NY. More like 40. I'm from New York.
I was a Yankees fan - a diehard, went to tons of games, playoffs, WS - until 2003.
Rookie contracts, sure. What about the big money mistakes that Steinbrenner could just eat and move on?
Ack, there I go again. Bye.
You said the 1996 payroll was not high
In fact, it was the highest in the game.
That's a fact.
Who cares how they split it up?
Oh god, please don't discuss this.
Wow.... |-girl-|
You were a NY fan for quite a while, what changed your mind?
Oh god, please don't discuss this.
If you're talking to me, I'm done. Really. I am.
charlie hayes was splitting third with Boggs
Hayes started only 15 games at third base for the 1996 Yankees.
...
(Alright, Sock, stop it!!!!)
You could have a nice little email conversation with her about it.
First off, Mike, you may not have noticed but the Sox problem has not been starters. Whenever a starter has gone down, the Sox have called up people who have done the job. Starters ERA 4.24 in 707 2/3 innings.
Yankees on the other hand couldn't keep their starters on the field and those they called up didn't fare well either. 28 million for Clemens ring a bell! Yankees starters - 4.71 in 646 innings.
And don't even start with the bullpen because Mariano is the only pitcher in your pen that would make the Sox team.
How is Clemens doing?
needing a change from the NY scene... latching on to the 2004 winning ways... natural inclination to follow the leader
Since I can't ban myself, I can say it:
Stop being an asshole.
And I don't care if think you are not being an asshole, as far as this blog goes, you are.
Let's let that Clemens question be the last of it, m'kay?
natural inclination to follow the leader
That's true. I was tired of hanging around such a bunch of losers.
Sorry, but I was really asking an honest question.
Is anyone watching the goddamn game?
I'm watching the game..... Becket has good control today.
Why yes of course, and here comes the force out of Roberts at second!
Sorry, but I was really asking an honest question.
His stats are online. And he's a fat fuck.
That about covers it.
Through six, way to go Joshie!
I'm watching, as much as I can on Gameday. I'm also working. And ignoring idiots. (Some at work, some not.)
Poor Markus, he's new here, he doesn't know Clemens is the anti-christ. Check out the Joy of Sox glossary, Markus.
Yeah... well... trust me, it's not like I want him to do well.
Has any one heard about who is going to pitch in the Double Header next Friday? Just wondering if Bucholtz will be called up.
Good base running by the Youk!
Officially, I think it's Beckett/Schilling in the DH.
But plenty of fans are wondering about Clay.
How many pitches did Olson have before getting yanked? Now they have a guy that pitches with an 7+ ERA?
I don't hate Clemens as much as most folks around here. I just think he's a freak.
115 for Olson.
You can post anything at all about Fat Billy. Anything. That's Rule #6.
I don't hate TCM, I loathe him. I'm in the camp that he tanked while with the Sox and then decided he would use the roids etc. after he left. Also, like Damon, he chose the MFY's.
Love the Simpsons burger king commercials.
115.....? Nice. One thing I have noticed is the Red Sox kill pitchers even in games they lose. High pitch counts.
You can post anything at all about Fat Billy. Anything. That's Rule #6.
Written or unwritten? What's is 1-5?
Love the Simpsons burger king commercials.
The Simpsons shouldn't be doing commercials! It's so wrong.
Oh wait, I know, Groening needs the money, right?
I may have to post the Rules -- once I come up with them.
Maybe FB should be Rule #1.
I may have to post the Rules -- once I come up with them.
Badges! We don't need no stinking badges!
Or in this case rules!
I guess I'll watch this one later tonight when it's archived.
The good thing about rules is it saves you the trouble of writing the same thing over and over. You just refer people to the rules.
Gotta have rules.
Like everyone has to call Clemens a child molester at least once a month.
Those kinds of rules.
...
(Actually, I mean civility guidelines like I was trying to quickly explain to our friend from The Other Side. I mean, don't people know you shouldn't go into someone's house and take a dump on the living room carpet?)
Beckett has been lights out. No lead off hitters have reached for the Orioles.
I mean, don't people know you shouldn't go into someone's house and take a dump on the living room carpet?
That's why my blog has always needed rules - guidelines. Anything with political content does, or the blog will be ruined by trolls.
(don't people know you shouldn't go into someone's house and take a dump on the living room carpet?)
It took me 3 or 4 times before I was set straight on this, but I learned dammit. I learned. And so can you.
Unfortunately, I think our friend thought he was being civil. Notice he only tried to defend the most expensive payroll, said nothing about his starting pitching next year.
When I was being trashed regularly by wingnuts - and I mean trashed - they always said they were being respectful.
If you go back through his posts, you can see he was baiting.
Yes, I know. I am an easy mark. Quick to my righteous anger. :)
Bases loaded..... come on Pedroia
Oh, I agree he was being a bator (and yes that is the way I want that spelled). I just think he thought he was being a nice bator.
Good thing my BP is in the 110 range!
I think I should formerly say hello.... Boston native here. Not here to stir up problems like Mike did.
Markus, welcome, just be civil! You are a Red Sox fan right? :)
Good thing my BP is in the 110 range!
Heh. Good thing I've mellowed with age.
I have. A lot.
Hi Markus :)
Cool. A little INsurance.
Heh. Good thing I've mellowed with age.
LOL
Am I a Red Sox fan? Lololol.... up until 2004, I was healing from 1986, so I better be a Red Sox fan....
In that case Markus - you are more than welcome.
YOOOOOOOK
Yook being yook.
Baltimore's bullpen is horrendous. Anyway.... must leave to pick up my better-half. Enjoy the game folks!
Some other time I can answer your question about my conversion. The short version is I fell out of love. The Yankees drove me away and the 2003 Red Sox stole my heart.
I wonder if Sarah is out of Jersey yet.
Crap- Being gets robbed!
Jere is in Baltimore this weekend.
I can't belive no one has mention McMoron. Is he off today?
Arrrgh! WMP replaces manny. Hinske in for Youk!
this may sound stupid but get gagne right back out
there in the 9th
Isn't McMoron doing the Pirate game?
So who's doing this game? Might be the Manny Hater.
I'd put Gagne in too.
Werd's having a good day.
Eric Karros? Is doing this game, he's not bad.
Last Shut out for Becket 4/10/2005.
Fox guys asked Francona about Gagne in their in game interview. He was like, hell, I ain't worried about last night, its over seems like it happened ages ago!
I would have sent Gagne back out also.
Nice win!
But I don't think we have to worry about Gagne being spooked or shook up. He's not a rookie.
Fox stat - 56 wins by the Red Sox starters lead the Majors.
1st lead off guy to reach vs Beckett?
Oops, we didn't win yet. We're not home. Hold that thought...
the s1c jinx
(j/k)
Damn, and I was knocking on wood when I typed it also (mainly my wooden head).
Hey Allan, I just saw the new subtitle, cool. Are you going for a subtitle-a-day?
Schilling is not the only Pitcher to have a complete game for the sox this year. God, I hate when they screw that stuff up.
One more strike joshie.
crap!
damn
No, just haven't settled on one.
I'm open to suggestions.
ok oreck, make the last out here
fragging Millar.
Time to pull him (115 pitches?)
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