August 17, 2007

G122: Angels 7, Red Sox 5

Beckett was fine (7-5-2-1-1-8, 103), but Santana (6.1-4-1-0-5, 100) decided to relearn how to pitch tonight. MDC allowed two in the eighth, to give the Angels a 4-1 lead.

Five outs from defeat, the Sox scored four times (Lugo BB, Ellsbury BB, Pedroia single, Ortiz 2-RBI double, Manny RBI double) to go ahead 5-4. But then Gagne coughed up three in the top of the ninth.

A bad loss, but it's a regular ol' doubleheader split at the end of the day.

***

Ervin Santana (6.22, 69 ERA+) / Josh Beckett (3.24, 139 ERA+)

With Mirabelli injured and Varitek playing eight innings of the afternoon game, the Red Sox are hoping Pawtucket catcher Kevin Cash can get from Ottawa to Boston for the second game.

Update: Sounds like Mirabelli is going on the disabled list (strained right calf). Jacoby Ellsbury is starting in center field and leading off. ... More in comments.

177 comments:

s1c said...

Why Cash? from the herald insider: Even though he hasn’t been hitting well at Pawtucket, Cash has been playing well defensively and has caught knuckleballers Charlie Zink and John Barnes this season. That’s vital considering that the Sox will need someone to catch Tim Wakefield while Mirabelli is on the disabled list. Cash, who has played 114 games in the majors with Toronto (2002-04) and Tampa Bay (2005), has thrown out nearly 45-percent of would-be base stealers this season.

Probably need him for two starts catching Wakefield.

phrenile said...

Someone with a hundred+ accounts thinks the Angels will win 99-0: http://live.protrade.com/angels_redsox/20070817/2

Devine said...

So...no flight tracker for this roster move, eh?

nixon33 said...

hopefully beckett will get 16 tonight.
i feel pretty confident.

redsock said...

So...no flight tracker for this roster move, eh?

If you have a flight #, I'll see what I can do.

redsock said...

Santana's ERA split:

Home: 3.42
Road: 8.79

redsock said...

Michael Silverman, Herald Insider:

"Expect updates later after GM Theo Epstein meets with us at 6, but the Red Sox will make at least one and probably two roster moves before Game 2: Jacoby Ellsbury and catcher Kevin Cash for Clay Buchholz and catcher Doug Mirabelli. Ellsbury is in the starting lineup as the leadoff hitter and center fielder. Cash is not on the premises yet or the 40-man roster as we type. Mirabelli, who strained his right calf running the bases in Game 1, had his lower leg wrapped in a bandage and inserted into a boot and was hobbling around the clubhouse. Jason Varitek, who caught all but one inning of the first game, is scheduled to catch the second one as well."

redsock said...

Horrigan posted at the Herald at 3:52 pm that Cash was on his way. He notes "Cash is with the team in Ottawa and the next direct flight isn't until 6:35 p.m., so he'll be making a connection somewhere".

I'm curious how this works. Do the Sox charter a small plane? Does he take a shuttle flight? Do they exist? Where did he have to go to transfer?

Jere said...

There should be a system where if a player needs to get to a certain park, and it's a total emergency, Sox fans stationed throughout the country could give relay-style rides. Fenway Park & Ride. But only members of RemDawg Nation would be allowed to join, I'm sure.

redsock said...

1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. J.D. Drew, RF
6. Mike Lowell, 3B
7. Jason Varitek, C
8. Eric Hinske, 1B
9. Julio Lugo, SS

1. Chone Figgins, 3B
2. Orlando Cabrera, SS
3. Vladimir Guerrero, DH
4. Garret Anderson, LF
5. Gary Matthews, Jr., CF
6. Maicer Izturis, 2B
7. Robb Quinlan, 1B
8. Ryan Budde, C
9. Nathan Haynes, RF

Cash's flight from Ottawa is expected to arrive in Boston around 7:50 p.m. "No police escort," Epstein said.

L-girl said...

Yay Ellsbury! I'm happy.

[I replied to all the money players in the earlier game thread, in case anyone is interested. I must not be as well-traveled as I think, b/c I don't know what a colon or a durham is.]

redsock said...

FSN on EI but NESN on MLBTV.

We'll try doing both (EI on mute) and see how bad the delay is.

mugro said...

Man! Not only do they have the kid sing the National Anthem, they make him run the bases too!!

redsock said...

Huge delay -- MLBTV more than one pitch late. That won't work.

L-girl said...

We didn't see any kid running the bases. What was that, a cancer kid?

Zenslinger said...

By the way, is our rookie pitcher's name pronounced Buck-Holtz or Byew-Holtz?

mugro said...

Yeah. A cancer kid.

Actually, all joking aside, this kid had defeated cancer enough to rid himself of his leg braces and he was able to run the bases. Actually, it was quite the scene (my lame joke aside), for this kid was a success story.

The Red Sox and the Jimmy Fund are running a big telethon today. Their goal is to raise $3 million. They are almost there!

L-girl said...

By the way, is our rookie pitcher's name pronounced Buck-Holtz or Byew-Holtz?

Buck-Holtz

L-girl said...

Re cancer kid, believe me, I have nothing but sympathy and admiration. Check out the game 1 thread, early on, I say I'll be choked up for half the game. And I was.

I notice Orsillo is like me. Whenever Teener interviews a young cancer survivor, when they come back to Don, his voice sounds thick.

redsock said...

FSN dolts saying Beckett's pitch count "is getting up there". He's at 24. (Lackey threw 46 in his first inning btw.)

Zenslinger said...

Josh gits outta the first. Way to go, ace.

L-girl said...

Just saw the kid running the bases. Nice.

L-girl said...

Here's the "it's always an adventure with Manny in the field" trope... "he doesn't make it look pretty"... yadda yadda yadda

shut up!

redsock said...

ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!

Zenslinger said...

Beckett controlled the damage there. Vlad -- bound to happen.

nixon33 said...

i know its early still, but it seems so like the sox to ruin Lackey the ace, and struggle with Santana who has eleven losses and era over 6...
come on ruin this fucker

redsock said...

It is 1-0 after 3 inings.

1-0.

With 6 innings to go.

1-0!

L-girl said...

it *is* early

ODawg said...

Horrigan posted at the Herald at 3:52 pm that Cash was on his way. He notes "Cash is with the team in Ottawa and the next direct flight isn't until 6:35 p.m., so he'll be making a connection somewhere".

Maybe "on his way" meant on his way to the airport. Because Air Canada 8048 (Y0W-BOS direct) was scheduled to arrive at 7:50P but is running a few minutes late.

redsock said...

The "on the way" was more from me. The Herald post just said the PawSox were told he was needed in Boston.

FSN guys are busy saying what a huge blow having Belli on the DL is to the Sox. Oy.

L-girl said...

yeah, someone else will have to let the knuckleball get past him

nixon33 said...

Angry Bill -
"They're flat as a pancake....and wakefield knows it."

L-girl said...

is lugo going to catch anything today? geez.

nixon33 said...

i still hate lugo.....
in other news yanks getting under way

redsock said...

is lugo going to catch anything today?

he might be able to catch a cold from coco.

L-girl said...

keep that hate coming, we know that's how he hits

redsock said...

Not sure why this isn't working ...

ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!
ERVIN SANTANA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!

L-girl said...

A hit! Werd up.

mugro said...

It worked, redsock.

Way to go, JD.

nixon33 said...

steal off the rookie catcher?

L-girl said...

i'm feeling sorry for lugo now. it's pathetic.

he owes us a few big hits.

nixon33 said...

he sucks

L-girl said...

fsn dolts: "the angels pound it on now"

if this is pound it on, what did the sox do in the 1st inning of game 1?

redsock said...

pound it on.

yeah, a grand ball single to right. their 4th hit tonight.

they are pounding the red sox.

nixon33 said...

COME ON OFFENSE

nixon33 said...

I HATE LUGO

L-girl said...

the hate is working!

mugro said...

Some redemption for Lugo...

nixon33 said...

well its not early anymore...

mugro said...

Is there a way to get this page to automatically refresh?

redsock said...

refresh --

i don't think so. not that i know of.

det 1-0, top of 3rd.

L-girl said...

no, not early. but not over either. down 2 runs in the 7th? i don't give up on them that easy.

L-girl said...

lugo makes a play! now was that so difficult?

L-girl said...

alright papi! here we go.

manny, please don't gdp.

mugro said...

Ok, guys, here is your chance. DON"T BLOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!

nixon33 said...

COME ON LOWELL!

Matt said...

between sonnanstine and santana, what is with the inability to hit bad pitching?

redsock said...

confidence in tek getting a hit/rbi? low, maybe 14%.

L-girl said...

inability to hit bad pitching is our trademark

redsock said...

Thanks for nothing, Capt.

nixon33 said...

yanks tie it up.....and we dont

L-girl said...

yanks up 2-1, bases loaded, 1 out

L-girl said...

oy

where's our friend w/ the crush on mdc? we need his mojo.

nixon33 said...

this game is over....

mugro said...

Well, not likely we'll make this 3 for 43 or whatever that come from behind in the 8th inning stat was....

L-girl said...

this game is over....

I'd rather see friggin trolls here than this shit. What kind of fan are you?

redsock said...

yeah no team has ever scored 3 runs in 2 innings before ... well, maybe one time, in like 1886, but it's really impossible.

Jackie said...

Sigh. That got away quickly.

nixon33 said...

a realisitic one. sorry. i'll hold out hope upon hope just as mucha s you will...but in the end. our offense is flat. giving up late runs kills momentum and they have shielks and k-rod, and we have lugo and hinske, yay.

L-girl said...

i hope anyone who says this game is over has turned their tv and computer off

L-girl said...

i'll hold out hope upon hope just as mucha s you will..

That is clearly not true.

Jackie said...

To be fair to nixon33, the Angels have a terrific bullpen and the bats haven't exactly looked lively tonight. Of course, we do better against "good" pitching than crappy pitching half the time, so who knows...

redsock said...

Scot Shields? Scot Shields is scaring you? And Frod, who almost blew 3-run lead to the frickin' Blue Jays two nights ago?

God, it don't take much, does it?

nixon33 said...

THANK GOD FOR CONTROL ISSUES cause we cannot hit, please prove me wrong pedroia

L-girl said...

The Angels used to have a terrific bullpen. Their bullpen ERA this year is 8th in the AL, behind the Royals.

Jackie said...

It's more the lack of bat liveliness that discourages me.

redsock said...

Also, the MFY bullpen -- you know, the one we make fun of every single day -- has a lower ERA than the Angels pen.

L-girl said...

I guess I don't see the point of being discouraged or encouraged, and certainly not announcing "this game is over" down 3 runs with 2 innings to play. I just watch, and I know what's possible in baseball, and I wait to see what happens. I don't give up.

chris said...

you know, i don't think we have quite enough speed on the basepaths right now...

redsock said...

We might lose this game -- we've lost 48 games so far this year -- but giving up on a 4-1 game with 2 innings to go makes absolutely no sense to me.

nixon33 said...

it is about the lack of bats. its just like all you of you said we cant hit bad pitching, and according to you, the angels have bad pitching....
come on Papi

redsock said...

sorry - frod sucked vs the jays last night.

nixon33 said...

sorry, you guys are sooooo much better fans than i am...yawn
COME ON PAPI

chris said...

I was kinda hoping to see another pedroia bomb, but i guess ortiz would be okay....hah

Jackie said...

Of course they would have to go and try to prove me wrong. ;) But I maintain that the Angels pen is pretty good... they have four relievers with sub-1.2 WHIP.

redsock said...

47 foot fastballs? never a good idea.

nixon33 said...

PROVE ME WRONG
PROVE ME WRONG
PROVE ME WRONG
PROVE ME WRONG
(this is the same as the lugo philosophy for those that havent caught on yet)

L-girl said...

it is about the lack of bats.

it's about a lack of fan belief and support

redsock said...

nixon33, why are you even watching?

seriously. the game is over.

nixon33 said...

IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nixon33 said...

IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
IM WRONG
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nixon33 said...

it worked you fuckers!!!!!!!

nixon33 said...

thanks me all of you as i single handedly won thias game!

L-girl said...

don't friggin take credit for that, nixon33! :-)

Ofer said...

Nixon33, I hope you've gained some of that confidence back... Now, let's get this game to the point where we'll have to wonder if they'll bring in Paps for the 2nd time today.

Jackie said...

nicely done. ;)

Now if someone could just explain why we can hit the guy with the 2.88 ERA/1.36 WHIP but not the starter with a 6.22/1.62, I'd be terribly obliged...

redsock said...

oh woe is me it's 1-0 we're gonna lose, we can't hit, oh god now it's 4-1, this game is over, we suck, we can't hit, blah fucking blah blah.

L-girl said...

ps i posted my "don't take credit" BEFORE you took the friggin credit

you don't even deserve to watch this comeback!

redsock said...

nixon, if you had any guts, you'd put your money where your mouth was and have turned the game off.

you gave up. plain and simple.

Jackie said...

honest to god, you guys, I love the site but I really loathe the holier than thou, I'm a better fan than you attitude sometimes. God forbid anyone gets the slightest bit discouraged ever...

Ofer said...

OK, does anybody know who's warming up?

L-girl said...

that's how i am. you don't have to like it any more than i like nixon33's attitude.

redsock said...

discouraged is one thing. "this game is over" is another.

fair weather fans piss me off like almost nothing else.

and that's the price you have to pay for reading here. your choice.

L-girl said...

"slightest bit discouraged"

....

"this game is over"

big difference IMO

chris said...

well, gange's the last piece of this puzzle to make one great day of baseball....let's go baby!!

L-girl said...

here comes the canadian! let's do it.

nixon33 said...

hahahahahashahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

L-girl said...

Chris, you're the MDC guy, right? We could have used your mojo earlier. :)

redsock said...

a fan who thinks his team can score 3 runs in 2 innings is a better fan than one who thinks all hope is lost and is ready to put an L in the standings.

if you think the game is over, TURN YOUR FUCKING TV OFF.

that's what i do when the game is over.

Jackie said...

you don't have to like the attitude either! I just wish you could refrain from attacking people for it EVERY TIME. :/

(Also, just for fun, I went to check out the Fangraph - looks our WP headed into the bottom of the 8th was around 10% (maybe a little lower), which isn't as terrible as I'd thought. I think it felt lower since it dropped about 20% over the previous half inning.

L-girl said...

wish away, but it's going to change. if there's enough negative people in the game thread, i leave the thread. i guess you'll have to hope for that.

redsock said...

I just wish you could refrain from attacking people for it EVERY TIME. :/

It pisses me off like almost nothing else about the game, so that is not likely to happen.

nixon33 said...

fairweather, whatever bub. grew up in the north end...and was going to games when the pink hats werent around.
but im not crying about it...

Jackie said...

There's a difference between saying "ugh, this game is over!" and still watching, and really believing the game is over (and shutting off the TV while the game is still going). I don't think being prone to a little hyperbole now and then makes someone a bad fan.

Ofer said...

This at-bat is annoying as hell... Especially on fucking Gameday- it's no way to follow a tense game.

phrenile said...

Meh, a 13-pitch out. Better than a 13-pitch homerun, I guess.

nixon33 said...

was gagne talking shit to willitz when he was on his way back to the dugout?i thought i read his lips saying "nice job"
anyone?

redsock said...

Maybe there's a Sox blog where everyone is whining and crying about how bad the Sox are. That game thread might be fun.

L-girl said...

who cares where you grew up. that doesn't have shit to do with anything.

L-girl said...

following a tense game on gameday is the worst! i do that on weekends, it's rough.

redsock said...

yeah and all those fans in boston are calling weei and crying about how we are out of playoff contention.

please.

only people in pink hats think games are over at 4-1 in the 7th.

nixon33 said...

hahahahaha, im so glad they came back.

redsock said...

hahahahaha, im so glad they came back.

please try to calm down.

phrenile said...

25 pitches in .1 innings. Gagne had better sack up.

L-girl said...

oh fuckety. gagne is not rewarding my defense of him.

phrenile said...

Meh.

redsock said...

im so glad they came back.

red sox or angels?

redsock said...

dp pls

phrenile said...

If we'd wanted that, we could've just called Timlin.

nixon33 said...

back to the game mo-mo, fuck.

phrenile said...

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Matt said...

Will someone take a crowbar to his knees? Please!

redsock said...

qoiwuetiohjo2i43jtfoiwqejofgijq234lijtrf3t

what he said

Matt said...

I hate having the "wow, this team has serious mojo" feeling crushed by one guy on multiple occasions.

Ofer said...

I was actually optimistic with Gagnr coming in... So, do they have another rally in them?

L-girl said...

"If we'd wanted that, we could've just called Timlin."

ha! too true. funny and sad.

L-girl said...

DP

AFT

redsock said...

okay -- let's do it again.

Ofer said...

I spelled his name wrong, but I think he deserves that at this point.

nixon33 said...

wheres okajima?

chris said...

Well, this is going to be really interesting...what exactly should tito's gameplan be with gange? you kinda have to stick with him, but how many games does he single-handedly lose before we fire him? hah.

L-girl said...

I hate having the "wow, this team has serious mojo" feeling crushed by one guy on multiple occasions.

...

I was actually optimistic with Gagnr coming in...

me too to both

L-girl said...

omg yook is going to have a stroke

chris said...

i actually thought that was a sf, my bad.

L-girl said...

folks, please do not feed the trolls! that guy is banned. try to avoid him :)

redsock said...

all posts from banned commenters and all comments replying to them will be deleted. so save your keystrokes.

L-girl said...

he must be wearing a good disguise :)

nixon33 said...

man this sucks

mugro said...

Could this terribly botched call motivate the offense??

chris said...

haha, well, I didn't see any outright hate...just downer-sf hate...and I thought he was already banned?

Comeback city lets goo!!

redsock said...

man this sucks

yes. yes it does.

but there is a brand new game tomorrow and we will begin it with a 5 or 6 game lead.

mugro said...

Come on Lugo. Walk!!

redsock said...

all i can do is delete his commnents. blogger does not allow you to ban individual poster names. but i am working on a possible work-around.

chris said...

Alright, well, that doubleheader went absolutely not at alllll how i thought it would!

Hope for a good game tomorrow, and watch out for a dorky looking guy in the visitor dugout seats tomorrow ;)

L-girl said...

damn, a wasted comeback. and the problems w/ gagne continue.

redsock said...

okay, NOW the game is over.

L-girl said...

have fun chris! give us a report or pics when you get back.

CaKeY said...

How about a discussion forum? Total control. And nice and neat. =)

chris said...

Sorry redsock- duly noted.

chris said...

I'm bringing the big camera- not gonna waste the company seats!!

nixon33 said...

well i guess we root for the tigers now...

Ofer said...

OK, I'd say that the Gagne-redeeming-himself status right now would be something like coming in with the bases loaded and no outs in the 8th inning of game 7 of the ALCS against the yankees, with the Sox up by a run, and striking out Jeter, A-Rod and Giambi. If he could also somehow hit Giambi while he's striking him out, that would maybe even put him on the plus side. I think anything short of that wouldn't be enough (although his being an effective reliever the rest of the way would be accepted as a consolation prize).

Anyway, I realize that that scenario is completely fantastic, since the MFY aren't going to get into the playoffs...

redsock said...

How about a discussion forum? Total control. And nice and neat. =)

If you start it up, I'll plug it every day.

CaKeYtAlK? CakeySox?

Go for it.

redsock said...

well i guess we root for the tigers now...

only for an hour or so.

chris said...

Forum would be nice, since the comment threads are kinda hectic. Count me in for random quotes from BR ;)

nixon33 said...

how the fuck can we trust gagne in big spots now if hes fucked up 3 games for us in a week?
i was ready to like him again, but man....

9casey said...

Allright, That sucked.....But is Gagne such a soft individual that he couldn't play the role Oki played in the afternoon.....and Oki play the role of closer in the nightcap isn't that what they have done all season.....Haters of Timlin ,when was the last time he blew 3 games in less than a week?

If it ain't broke.......

Tito looked like he wanted to cry in postgame....

It's obvious Gagne's fastball is useless without his change.He is alot like Foulke in that sense.The thing with Foulke was in '04 every time he blew a save we came back and won.......

Tomorrow will be here shortly.

CaKeY said...

I'm on the job!

Joe Grav said...

all together now: gag me!

nixon33 said...

only for an hour? i dont know what kind of fan you are but im rooting for them tomorrow and sunday...fairweather fan
hahahahahahahaha

redsock said...

There are Red Sox forums out there, easy to join. I link to them.

I do not want to do any of the work involved in running a board. I like blogging and the group of people here. I also want time for other writing projects.

rugger3337 said...

Exactly how many times must Gagn'e blow a game before the MGMT realizes he is NOT the answer??
Thought his record only shows 2 blown saves, that is because the 10AUG07 game wasn't a save situation, and Okajima took the loss. Gagne' directly lost three games and whats worse is the yanks have won each night Gagne has lost a game for the sox. Our AL East lead this morning is 5 games, but should be 8. Is Gagne French for sabatage?? His stuff is not dominating and didn't have a clean inning vs. Tampa Bay. Obviously he is not doing well, however WHY do they keep putting GAGNe in Crucial situations. I can understand against Tampa Bay but against LAA?? There had to be a better choice. Keep him as a set up man WHEN the game is NOT on the line, until, (IF EVER) he regains his dominance.

OK there is the arguement, maybe there is a little more blame to toss around. Our stupendously lethal offensive threat, and defensive gem Lugo committing 2 errors on the books but that line drive Vlad's line drive SHOULD have been caught.

Delcarmen sucked up to his normal par last night. Where ewas Timlin, or Tavarez, or Snyder?? Vlad leads off w/a Triple, and scores the nex at bat, and then theree is the homer. COME ON?!?!?

Youk and Tito were right for getting thrown out. Mostly I hope it will fire up the sox the wai Sweet Lou's Tossing sent the Cubbies on a winning tear, but not thinking so.

Joe Grav said...

His stuff is good, but he's relying too much on the fastball and is leaving it far over the plate. He just hums it right over in tough situations.

redsock said...

Delcarmen sucked up to his normal par last night. Where ewas Timlin, or Tavarez, or Snyder??

If you think that was MDC being MDC last night, you haven't watched many (any?) of his previous outings.

2.81 ERA. 160 ERA+. He's allowed runs in only 4 of his 26 appearances.

Everyone would be screaming for Tito's head if he put Snyder or Lips in there at that point (and they failed).

MDC is easily our 3rd best reliever.

L-girl said...

the wai Sweet Lou's Tossing sent the Cubbies on a winning tear

It's unwise to confuse coincidence with cause. If players need a manager's tantrum to make them win, they are not major league material.

redsock said...

Well, Lou did win all those championships with Tampa Bay ...

L-girl said...

Must have been the purple hair.