Blue Jays - 000 010 000 - 1 5 1Wakefield was strong (8-5-1-2-3, 97), making a two-run second inning stand up against the AL East leaders. Boston is now 2.5 GB. (The Yankee beat Baltimore 9-1, so they are 3.5 GB.)
Red Sox - 020 000 00x - 2 6 1
Mike Lowell started the second inning with a single to left and J.D Drew worked an eight-pitch walk. After Julio Lugo popped out, Jeff Bailey singled to left center. Lowell scored on the hit, Drew went to third, and Gumball took second on Adam Lind's throwing error. George Kottaras then lofted a sac fly to left.
Cabin Mirror opened the top of the fifth with a dong to left, but that was Toronto's only run. Only two other Blue Jay runners reached second base.
The Fenway crowd was solidly behind David Ortiz, but Flo went 0-for-3, walking in the first, but then: K, 4-3, K. Jacoby Ellsbury extended his hitting streak to 14 games with a fifth-inning single; he also doubled in the eighth.
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Brian Tallet (4.68, 99 ERA+) / Tim Wakefield (4.03, 124 ERA+)
W L PCT GB RS RA DIFF
Blue Jays 27 14 .659 -- 234 174 + 60
Red Sox 22 16 .579 3.5 208 190 + 18
Yankees 21 17 .553 4.5 205 218 - 13
Rays 20 20 .500 6.5 221 196 + 25
Orioles 16 22 .421 9.5 192 225 - 33
David Ortiz (.208/.318/.300) is expected to be back in the Red Sox lineup tonight. Will he batting in his customary third spot in the order? Terry Francona:
I don't know. I want to talk to him. And I haven't wanted to talk to him yet, because I've wanted to give him some room.SoSHer Carl Everetts Therapist relayed some information "from someone who interviewed [Vice President of Player Personnel] Ben Cherington" last Friday morning:
Papi's struggles are a combination of mental physical and emotional. He also has been withdrawn and silent in the clubhouse. ... There will be a closed door meeting ASAP that includes Magaden, Tito, Theo, Henry and the training staff. A decision will be made as far as how to approach this thing ...SoSHer normstalls:
Suggestions have been made about possible options that include ... Moving Ortiz down in the order ...
For what its worth (and maybe not much) Ortiz looked really good during BP on Saturday. He hit a groove and was really driving some balls well. I think he hit about 5 out. Now this was only BP and normally is nothing to be encouraged about, but given his current condition I took it as a glimmer of hope.John Hickey, MLB.com:
Hitting coach Dave Magadan said Ortiz's mechanics are back where they are supposed to be, so all the slugger needs now is to regain his confidence.Wily Mo Pena, currently with the Buffalo Bisons, on not hitting home runs in 2006:
[Bronson] Arroyo had two [with the Reds] and I had nothing. [Fans] were jumping all over me every time I came to the plate. I was thinking too much, but once I hit that first one, I was able to breathe and starting hitting. That's going to be the same for Ortiz. ...Julio Lugo is also expected back in the lineup.
He's not swinging the same. I don't know if he's hurt, or if something is bothering him, or if he's thinking about something. I wish I could know something.
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1 – 200 of 283 Newer› Newest»I'll be wearing my red Godpapi shirt tonight, because David Ortiz has taught me that no matter how hopeless the situation may seem, no matter how silly you might think you appear to others, no - matter - what, you ALWAYS believe.
And I believe that Flo will bring Good Times!
I was watching the 2007 Red Sox season in review on NESN at the gym this afternoon. There were many parts where I was listening to some good music, watching the video and found myself on the elliptical doing the equivalent of sprinting.
It was amazing watching and remembering the feelings, like the green uniforms night against the Yankees with Coco's double and Jeemer's first save, then the four dongs night. The night where everyone was watching the Orioles/Yankees game hoping for some late bird magic and some celebration. I got a good workout from watching that video!
Beat these fucks!
I've been chirped enough thus far by fuckin' Jays fans. Time for some Sox wins to put them in their place.
I do keep reminding them that in addition to it being May with the Jays in first, so are the Rangers - and KC is currently in second.
Regression will occur. Starting in about 50 min.
Enough of this losing shit.
Globe: Ortiz "would not address the media in the Red Sox clubhouse, politely declining to speak. "Wait until I get hot," he said.
Marco Scutaro, SS
Aaron Hill, 2B
Alex Rios, RF
Vernon Wells, CF
Adam Lind, LF
Scott Rolen, 3B
Lyle Overbay, 1B
Kevin Millar, DH
Rod Barajas, C
Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
David Ortiz, DH
Jason Bay, LF
Mike Lowell, 3B
J.D. Drew, RF
Julio Lugo, SS
Jeff Bailey, 1B
George Kottaras, C
Also from Extra Bases: The Blue Jays have "played 15 of their 41 games against teams that currently have a winning record. (They've gone 8-7.) They played three against the Yankees last week, losing two."
The fuckin' free ride in the East is over.
PawSox played this afternoon: Yook went 0-for-4 and Clay Buchholz went 4.1-7-3-2-5.
Hi, everyone. Believe it or not, Harvey is at Fenway while I sit at home. He is with his colleagues from work. I am envious! But not resenting his good time...as long as he roots for the Sox tonight.
That dead blue jay photo makes me sad, even though I agree with your message.
Don and Eck tonight.
i also had a pic of a cat with a blue jay in its mouth. should i have gone with that one?
OMG --- we could not find Buffyvision, so we decided to start looking at channel 1 and flip through them all ...
-- AND THERE IS NESN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A free preview of TSN2?!?!?
Yeah, at least then I could have said it was just the natural course of events. Your bird looks like it was diseased. That virus the name of which is escaping me right now that killed all those crows and jays.
NESN is on Channel 1, is what I'm saying.
NESN on Channel 51 here... :)
West Nile. Thank you, Google.
75 mph fastball for the K, sweet.
Lucky Harvey!
"i also had a pic of a cat with a blue jay in its mouth. should i have gone with that one?"
That's for when the Tigers play the Jays.
Harvey in the grandstand on the first base side.
He would not commit to rooting for the Sox, but did say maybe. After all, right now shouldn't a Yankee fan also be rooting against the Jays? Hmm, guess not.
Got him!
Strong Cdn arm there!
"God" caught stealing........
How did they still get him? Too bad.
Aw, he WAS safe!
They didn't get him.
Interesting that you don't get TSN2 anyway.
I am hoping good things for Papi. Nice to hear cheers and not boos.
nesn fucks up, holds the lineup until 2 are out, so we miss the nice hand for tiz because the lineup graphic is on the screen.
Watching Papi at the bat reminds me of watching my kids in play...I am so nervous for him.
He is watching his own fouls. He is in bad shape mentally.
Forget TSN2, we don't get TSN regular! We downgraded to basic cable a while back, don't have lots of extra stations now.
I thought TSN2 was a standard channel now if you get TSN. Anyway in class and watching slingbox (direct NESN feed)
A walk is a start.
1.000 OBP so far after the benching.
Dammit, he had that 2-1 "fastball" squared up and just missed it.
Does home count as a base in the TB stat?
Still in class, Tim? Or is this summer school?
Can't blame him for that.
only when you get 4 on a dong.
Fresh semester Amy - third week of classes. 3 hours of tax is NOT fun, especially with this prof...I missed last week's though, to watch game 6.
nesn missed that 1st pitch to wells?
"I thought TSN2 was a standard channel now if you get TSN"
It might be but we don't get TSN anymore.
Tax...yeah, not my favorite subject either. Good luck with that.
I wonder how different Canadian tax laws are from US tax laws. Perhaps fewer loopholes and less convoluted? Or is it just as bad?
I MISS REMY
Eck is a god so Remy should take his time healing.
Here's one difference I know about. Corporations pay taxes here.
Eck is hideous.
A-Rod 2-R HR donger.
Goddam. Damon was on. He's been hitting very well, too.
Heh, good one, Laura. Corporations are SUPPOSED to pay taxes here, but then...loopholes and convoluted rules that corporate lawyers can work around...
Doctor!
Jed Lowrie...I actually forgot about him.
Is that guy on NESN checking out Heidi's ass?
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All those corporations from the Cayman Islands and Delaware aren't supposed to pay taxes. There's a whole nation's worth of health care, right there.
Other than that, the only thing I know about Cdn vs US taxes is that there's a myth in the US that Canadians pay way more taxes than they really do.
Jed was masturbating all week.
I don't mind it, since I've done a shitload of personal returns.
Definitely different tax laws between Canada and the US. I'm pissed that I had to buy the books for this class for $180 and since they're updating the tax act, going to have to buy it again in September when I'm taking corporate tax. This one is personal.
Nice to Lowrie! Jed, we miss you!!!
[Nice to ^see^ Lowrie, that is.]
Andy, you have video?
Keep your mitts off my man L.
Yeah we switched off on camera duties.
I'd gladly pay more in taxes for universal health care, but it's never going to happen here.
If lugo can hit above 300 this year I will forgive him all his transgressions.
Don't worry, Andy, I'll just watch.
"JD Drew's pants could be ON FIRE and he would not get upset." LOL
Yeah the money it would take to give universal health care from what I have seen pales in comparison to the amounts they are giving the banks. Our priorities are fucked. I guess with less poor people, because they died without health care, there will be less crime and less social programs. Makes sense in a big picture way but come the fuck on.
Agreed L. You can just sit a corner in the shadows.
And you shouldn't even have to pay more. Reduce military spending by 75% and you're there.
My taxes didn't go up when we moved here.
Lugo will not be forgiven is my prediction.
No question that our priorities are fucked up here. All that money on war and weapons...
Why can't the media chase the suck asses out of town?
right on andy, you got it
Does Canada have a graduated income tax? I assume it is not a flat rate.
War, weapons and PROFIT on both. Fortunes have been made off Iraq, billions of it.
graduated, yes
halladay is the best pitcher in baseball? has eck taken up smoking crack? god, what a dummy.
YAY! We score! Bailey!
Gummi Jeff!!!
Don't get me wrong I love me a good war movie and playing with military toys is a lotta fun. Right now there are problems that a little military loving care would wipe out down around our mexican border. I guess our own borders are not worth protecting and I am not talking about immigration. I'm talking about the privately funded mexican mafia gangs and their activities. But no it's more important to be everywhere else.
RBI for Gummy Bail.
Top rate is about 50%
This greek guy is pretty...that is all.
I am sure there are studies that show how it is that Canada can raise enough revenue for the services the government provides without having higher taxes than the US. And I bet it does have to do with the differences in military spending and the (I assume) more equitable system for collecting taxes. Fewer loopholes and all that.
Amy, on our tax returns, Ontario calculates a premium for our health care based on our income. Under a certain amount (I think it's 20K, not sure - I'm sure Tim knows), you don't pay.
If you earn about 50K, it's $1200 for the year.
Also be nice for there to be a little more money for education! Not that it's important or anything. Why should we have to be spending $100,000 to get a college education again?
whoa 50% for taxes? Is that right? That's high right? I have no clue how much I really lose to pay for the people to make me wait for 2 hours at the department of motor vehicles. Oh I also pay the salary of the cop who gave me a ticket for driving through a brand new stop sign that I paid for as well. The cure for taxes is to make more money.
Tim, but the myth in the US is that everyone in Cda pays 50% tax. What % of people pay that?
2-0!
SAFE! 2-0 and Gummi on 2nd!
halladay is the best pitcher in baseball? has eck taken up smoking crack? god, what a dummy.Isn't he a reasonable choice?
I am sure that not everyone pays that much. I guess if I made 2 mil a year that giving up 1 mil would not hurt so much.
Andy, ordinary people in Cda do NOT pay 50% taxes. Our taxes are no higher here than they were in NY.
1200 a year for medical care is outstanding. I wish. I would pay that now. I would pay 2400.
Its over 130 or 140 k/year thats about 50% - at least in Ontario. I don't know much about the other provinces though.
And yeah, Ontario health care premium starts at 20 to 30k income.
Yeah, more scoring!
LBJ RBI plz.
I read an article last week about Norway (I think it was Norway) where the tax rate is over 60%, but the services are incredible and people are not complaining. Some of it is what a society is used to. It was an interesting article tracing Norwegian cooperative attitudes back to the days when they needed to cooperate for access and control of water.
Halladay is in the running for this year. Grienke gets my vote. I hope he pitches a perfect game against the yankees.
Wait if I make 140 a year I get 70 grand taken out for taxes? see that stings some.
Remember that when you move into a higher bracket, you only pay the higher amount on that money. It's not 50% across the board.
The lowest rate is 16 or 17% - if you make more than 10k but less than like 35k.
I would pay $1200 to get veterinary care, let alone human health care!
Norwegians were a big force in the socialist movement in the US, long ago. It's a very cooperative society.
Also be nice for there to be a little more money for education! Not that it's important or anything. Why should we have to be spending $100,000 to get a college education again?1. Because that's what the market is willing to pay.
2. The market is incredibly irrational on this point.
"1. Because that's what the market is willing to pay."
No, because that's what a small percentage of the population is *able* to pay.
"The market" shouldn't be a factor when it comes to education.
Andy, you don't. See Zen's comment.
he's very good, but it sounded like eck was saying, he was the best right now - and that is just not the case. he is not in the top 10 in mlb era+.
i also liked how eck was talking about a pitcher called "ray" that toronto has -- how no one knew who this guy was, only calling him "ray" -- is that his first name, his last name, his only name, like prince? "ray"
(it's robert ray, dennis.)
L, my second point is far more important.
EL, the market is incredibly irrational, period.
Ok eck trashed Millar for the playoff first pitch. He was not under contract with Balitmore anymore cunt. Their season was over.
OMG Eck is so stupid.
So why aren't there more catching prospects? These guys have no useful insights.
Got it L and zen. Yeah education has become an elitist thing and it shouldn't be. We are on country with a common goal, or we should be. We(america in general) would sell our first born to make a good profit if we could. All that individual liberty far right wacko talk was fine a good in areas where we are not living on top of each other. We just need to get along and take care of our own. Well all those right wingers are cool with dumping all that money into a different country who now has demanded we leave. Hmmm, do we get any of that country building money back? Sure the corporations over there do.
Eck still a god.
Eck pays 75% in taxes.
He just talks too much. He should let Don do the talkin more.
I don't think we have ever really been one country with one common goal. But it's a nice ideal.
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Education is expensive. It became a common "statistic" to throw around that it cost the same to have someone in prison for a year as it did to educate them at Harvard. But that's because your average elite, private college (what do they run, $35k now? and, yes, that was a bit of oxymoron there) pays for half of expenditures out of the endowment, etc.
It makes me choke when students complain about paying $20/credit as City College here in San Francisco, or when they don't buy their goddam books. I understand these expenses can be a lot for some folks, and we're here to serve them, but there isn't much understanding of what it actually costs to educate people.
Oh, Papi...
ugly AB
Is there any evidence catching used to be so great and now sucks? And when was this golden era of catching? Isn't it all cyclical? No reason to believe a word these guys say.
Zen, you're right. But when education is so out of reach for the majority of people - but it's necessary for any kind of advancement - and the only education many people can afford is through the military (hmmm...) - something is really off.
Zen, private colleges are now about $45K a year.
BAY!
The odd thing about college tuition that often gets lost is that 1)about half the students don't pay the full freight; much is discounted as scholarships, and 2)a lot of those increases are paying for things that students demand at colleges now: better food, fancy fitness centers, nicer dorms, etc.
eck with the "if that fly ball had been a homer" it would have changed the game. well, no shit, eck.
if half the sox fly outs had gone over the fence, they would have won the game 83-3.
the analysis of an 8 year old.
Hey, it's the ShamWow guy. What was he busted for recently? I was trying to tell Allan but I can't remember.
and 3) research-oriented universities hardly pretend their mission is to teach students anymore, and fund accordingly.
is nesn fucking up or it canada based? we comeback from commercial and wells is standing on first ......
For busting a prostitute in the face.
My grad school will cost about $8/yr. The dean I met with has a daughter in the same program in Boston, she's paying $24K a year. I have no idea why that is.
Thanks, Benjamin.
I saw how wells got on and this was on NESN on EI
Not $8/yr, $8K/yr! It's not THAT cheap here! :)
Having attended and taught at both private and public institutions, I'm pretty confident when I say that private universities are a waste of money (education-wise) for about 99.9% of students.
UNC is a world-class institution, and it charges in-state undergrads something like $6,000/yr for tuition. Unless North Carolina's state taxes are especially onerous, there's no reason every state can't eventually be like this.
Zen I graduated from Cal Maritime in Vallejo. They did an all school assembly one time to show us how half or more of the cost of our education was paid by not us.
L-girl said...
Is there any evidence catching used to be so great and now sucks? And when was this golden era of catching? Isn't it all cyclical? No reason to believe a word these guys say.
I think what they do with a lot of catchers, that can hit and hit well, they move them to 1st or 3rd or outfield, catchers take a beating. That's why Mauer will get a boatload of money, he can hit and catch a very odd combo at this point in baseball..
I think, Edward, that that is largely true, but not for everyone. Some students can do well at large universities with large classes; other students need the smaller environment that they can get at a small college.
I do believe, however, that anyone can get a top notch education anywhere if they take advantage of what is there. OTOH, anyone can waste four years at any school if they just sit back and party.
I kick myself every game I watch. I used to be a real good catcher up through HS then quit because I hated my step dad who made me play catcher. I could hit too. I will not allow that to happen to my new son, when he arrives. If he is a boy. Better be for this plan to work. Another girl would be awesome too. But I wouldn't want her to have softball thighs.
EL, very interesting perspective.
A huge part of the problem is seeing education as another profitable item to be consumed by a consumer culture. Certain things have to be removed from the market IMO - health care, education, clean water, basic fuel - in order to have a strong and healthy society.
"gets the bad news" - DRINK!
I always get a kick out of the clerical ladies that I work with. They are middle aged and party like college kids. I did that for a year or two in college and was over it. I think that is better to get over it sooner.
Andy, I take it that is your way of saying that your wife is pregnant?? Congrats, and I hope she is feeling well.
I used to catch when I played softly. But mostly because I thought it required less running than the other positions. I was awful.
Andy, are you expecting a new baby??? That's awesome.
I was briefly a catcher too! For the same reasons as Amy and I was awful. Much safer for me to hide in RF.
Yeah I broke the news a few games back but it was missed. Yeah she is due Nov 10. That's 11/10/09. C-section so we will schedule for that day for awesomeness.
redsock said...
he's very good, but it sounded like eck was saying, he was the best right now - and that is just not the case. he is not in the top 10 in mlb era+.
Halladay #1 in wins in the A.L.
#5 in era
#3 in k's
#4 in whip
He is pretty good......
I always wonder why MLB has such a hard time getting the inner city youth to play baseball. The sport gives you the best opportunity to make money if you specialize in the right thing. Be left handed and pitch or catch and hit and you will make money.
That's hysterical, Laura! My daughter used to play right field and sit down on the grass and talk to her friend, the center fielder. Her coach was not amused.
Some of us just know our limits!
Andy, 11-10-9...very cool!
cabin dong
Andy, congrats so much. Excellent news.
That day is my favourite nephew's birthday. Will you know the gender in advance?
Fucking cabin.
No space for ballfields in the inner city, Andy? Too much expensive equipment needed, unlike basketball?
what is that? "go bridge"?
are we gonna hear that 38,956 times this series?
Andy, not a lot of good ball fields in inner cities.
Not a bad inning, aside from Millar.
and when there are nice ball fields, a major league team will come along and be handed them for free by city government and build a new toilet on top of them.
Score more runs.
somewhere wallace matthews is watching and cursing WHY IS THIS GAME GOING SO SLOWLY??????
L, I agree that education needs to be publicly funded up to some level, but I have no idea how you can remove the "profit motive" from education entirely. Teachers like to make money too.
Another big part of the problem with education in the USA today is the decline in standards -- kids today need to go to college to learn stuff that they would have learned in high school 50 years ago.
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We will definitely know the sex soon. Gotta plan.
I guess the cost thing does exclude the inner city but what is the reason that the poorer then poor currently dominate much of baseball? I am talking about the islanders of course. They played with sticks and rocks. Look at Vlad he hits like he is playing in a field of dirt clods.
More land available on the islands and better weather than in most US cities.
That's my boy!!!
It also can be a cultural priority. The reason a sport is more or less popular may not be rational.
Good point on the education of past Ed. There are standards but there ate far too many and varied standards. It is so regimented and geared to the tests. Not a lot of reaching kids anymore, it's more of a process or an assembly line. Enrichment is not a big deal anymore. Teach the test. Test scores. That's all that matters now. Where I am at least in California.
it's dong time.
It's everywhere, Andy. Thanks in large part to No CHild Left Behind. What a misnomer that is. Like Newspeak.
EL, I'm not suggesting teachers (or anyone else!) work for free! I think teachers should be paid a lot better than they are. That has nothing to do with privatizing education.
Hope so, Allan. I want a Papi dong.
Yeah I see that Laura. Well if i have a boy ever he will either be a lefty pitcher or a hitting catcher. I can teach mechanics of both. Kinda I am right handed. I always loved pitching. I actually throw a side session during most games in my house with wiffle balls. I have a stroke zone marked on the wall across the house. I am always experimenting with different deliveries.
can't remy call games via phone from his house?
and eck can go bridge (jump off one).
Uch. Another dribbling grounder.
"Teach the test. Test scores. That's all that matters now. Where I am at least in California."
And the other 49 states. If they want federal funding, that's what they have to do, as Amy said.
No Child Left Behind [sic] also makes funding conditional on allowing military recruiters in public high schools.
Yeah NCLB is trash. Under-funded. Obamarama says he will fund it. But now the states, at least this one, are holding the fed money for education. I vote to eliminate the entire state assembly and senate. There is our budget shortfall right there and then some with all their staffers, cars, health care, perks, travel, offices and expense accounts. For what? We are set to vote on shit they should have decided on their own. But they couldn't. So fire em all. Or let them announce yankees games. Same standards.
Thanks Don!
Ok ok ok. Eck is kinda dumb and annoying. Alright. Happy everyone? I did enjoy him calling the yankees catcher a piece of shit and all the other shit he said that game. Now he is just diluted.
"Another big part of the problem with education in the USA today is the decline in standards"
I was trying to type this before and went on for so long that I deleted it. So thanks!
A huge number of problems in the US are attributable, at least in part, to the terrible state of public education. Certainly makes it easier for certain interests.
FUCK YEAH! Bobbles but still comes thru.
In 27 years of teaching law students, I have seen an incredible decline in writing skills. Grammar, punctuation, spelling, clarity of expression, etc.----all just disappearing.
"Ok ok ok. Eck is kinda dumb and annoying. Alright. Happy everyone"
LOL
is it possible to have gas while you paint a bridge with hairy cheese?
Six innings finished in 1:44? Wow.
I refuse to use modern or current slang for the most part. But because I stuck to my proper speech I excelled in my professional life. I wasn't a nerd either. I weren't no nerd. Young people now are writing so much on the internet in the current slang and it is ruining their actual language. My faults on the internet are capitalization and punctuation. I concede that in an effort to type faster in conversational blogging and chats.
It's good. It means Harvey won't be driving home at 1 am.
Can't get away with that here though. You bastards, me included, will call you on it.
Eck it's 1-2 how are things happening so fast?
I even let my punctuation slide when chatting here. But damned if I'll ever write that way anywhere else.
But remember, people can't use what they've never learned. Most people don't learn to write anymore.
It does no good for Arod that 5 of his 8 hits are homers. That's unreal and will attributed to roids. He needs to cool it.
I used to teach math. It's really depressing that so many kids grow up to hate math. As a result, they're set up to get pwned by politicians, salesmen, bankers, investors and writers for the rest of their lives.
Let's ride the F train all the way to Paplebon Street.
sneaky cheese?!
my gas is not sneaky.
TMI!
They gonna bring Bard in after Wakefield? That is just cruel.
Dammit, walking Rod Barajas is entirely unnecessary.
Here's something I love about baseball. Right now it's 2-1, 8th inning, the game is only 2 hours old, moving right along. But in an eyeblink the game could be tied and we could be here another hour in great suspense.
Not that we will, of course. But you never know.
Love this Canadian catching.
DP just said Fuck as opposed to Fuck Yeah
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