May 7, 2009

Manny Tests Positive For PEDs, Suspended 50 Games

Los Angeles Times:
Manny Ramirez has tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and will be suspended 50 games starting today, The Times has learned.

The test result and suspension is expected to be announced later today.

The suspension will cost Ramirez $7.7 million, or roughly 31% of his $25-million salary. Players in violation of baseball's drug policy are not paid during suspensions.

Ramirez is expected to attribute the test results to medication received from a doctor for a personal medical issue, according to a source familiar with matter but not authorized to speak publicly. ...

Ramirez would become the biggest star suspended under an oft-criticized major league testing program that started in 2003. He had been a model citizen since arriving in Los Angeles last August, following a stormy tenure with the Boston Red Sox. ...
Well, shit. SoSH says Gammons saying not steroids, but a prescription from his doctor that he was told was not banned by MLB (tic tacs?). We shall see.

39 comments:

mugro said...

How is this going to affect your man crush on Manny, Redsock?

Benjamin said...

Ho lee shit.

girlanachronism said...

//Well, shit.//

Funny, that's exactly what I said.

redsock said...

How is this going to affect your man crush on Manny, Redsock?
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The story broke about 20 minutes ago, so I'll wait and listen to what he has to say. And I'll wait to learn what drugs were found.

If true, it would suck, because it would be highly unlikely it was something he started doing in August 2008.

But, as I believe I have shown numerous times, I have never been on a moral crusade against steroids and/or other drugs. My postings have generally been to laugh at Fat Billy.

And I have never said the Red Sox were clean. That would be insane. Players of every level have been caught: hitters, pitchers, stars, scrubs ... everyone.

mugro said...

I didn't mean to offend you. Just having a little fun.

Jere said...

Even if it's something he didn't know about, the question is the same: why would an athlete who takes all this great care of their body put something in there without knowing what it is?

redsock said...

In saying I don't much care which players are/were using, I'm assuming I have been fairly consistent in my comments about that for the last 5+ years. (Maybe someone will show that somewhere I acted like Dick Young, but I doubt it.)

I'll laugh and post about Yankees who get caught because I'm hard-wired that way. No other reason. Fat Billy and Slappy McBitchtits still belong in the Hall of Fame.

redsock said...

I wasn't offended. Just trying to quickly explain. (I have to drive to Buffalo and pick up L in about 10 minutes.) "Man crush" bothered me, but only because of the "man" part, as we have discussed!

This initial report says Manny was told whatever he took was okay to take. So I'd say he knew what it was.

redsock said...

I'm off. Should be back by 5.

How many comments will be waiting? I'll say 35.

How many will I reject? 3.

Benjamin said...

I'd say you've been consistently agnostic about dog-testicle liquification, Allan.

Jere said...

"This initial report says Manny was told whatever he took was okay to take. So I'd say he knew what it was."

Okay, then, why would you take something on the banned list? The point is, how could any of these guys get caught?

FenFan said...

Ho lee shit.No kidding - I guess we have to wait to see what the full story is. I admit that I have a full-on "man crush" of Manny - no matter what, he's still a big part of Sox history.

Pokerwolf said...

Gammons is saying not steroids? That matches what SI is saying ("banned substance" and not "steroids"), so we'll see if that sticks.

I hope it's a prescription from a doctor because otherwise I'm going to be really upset.

Pepe Lepew said...

I don't really believe these guys anymore when they say it was a doctor's prescription that they thought was OK ... or they thought it was a vitamin B12 shot their teammate was giving them ... or that somehow they ate their twin in the womb (OK, that was cycling). They have come up with every excuse in the book.

9casey said...

What next?

accudart said...

Only us old folks might know who Dick Young was.....

tim said...

Damn, yo.

seawolvesfan said...

Screw Manny, oh wait he is

redsock said...

Only 10 comments! Any additional news?

tim said...

Steph asked me if I heard that manny took sex enhancing drugs???? She reads up on all that gossip shit.

There's no way that THATS what he took...anyone else hear anything about that?

I'm assuming that she sadly mistook "performance enhancing" to automatically mean "sex" somehow???

redsock said...

Only us old folks might know who Dick Young was.....
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Who would the equivalent be now? Unsufferably pompous, holier-than-thou, cluelessly nostalgic ...

Costas fits the bill, but he been keeping a low profile.

redsock said...

Being:

"Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I've taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons. I want to apologize to [Dodgers owner Frank] McCourt, Mrs. McCourt, [manager Joe] Torre, my teammates, the Dodger organization, and to the Dodger fans. LA is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed. So am I. I'm sorry about this whole situation."

Pepe Lepew said...

The reports are that it was some kind of female fertility drug called HGC that bodybuilders take when coming off a steroid cycle.
If true, that's pretty damning. Why would Manny be taking a female fertility drug?

Pepe Lepew said...

Oops, it's actually called HCG:

In the world of performance enhancing drugs, hCG is increasingly used in combination with various anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) cycles. It is included in some sports' illegal drug lists.

When AAS are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPGA).


In males, hCG mimics LH and helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes. As such, hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as endogenous testosterone production. However, if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.

James said...

Looks like it's a women's fertility drug that is sometimes perscribed for male weight loss. It has a use within the steroid-user community: when coming off a steroid cycle, the body doesn't produce enough of its own testosterone (which is sort of why testicles shrink) and steroid users use this drug to kick start testosterone production in the body. Apparently it gets used after HGH cycles. The test where he tested positive was during Spring Training apparently.

I don't know how long this would stay in one's body, but it makes me wonder about the trouble getting his contract worked out this offseason and his late arrival to Spring training. I'll happily admit that's total conjecture and bordering on MUMS.

He says that the drug was for a "personal health problem" and that he checked the substance against an older, non-current list of banned substances, from which it was absent. Apparently the substance wasn't banned until recently.

James said...

Also, Costas in on the MLB network; he's changed venues.

nixon33 said...

This won't change 2004 or 2007 for me. Never will.

9casey said...

Wow , he really maybe just the biggest idiot ever.....I heard you take this female fertility drug right before you are going to start anther cycle.....

L-girl said...

"This won't change 2004 or 2007 for me. Never will."

I'm with Nix.

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The whole "why would anyone put this in their body" theme is pretty clueless.

vrictare said...

I heard it was also used to tread Erectile Dysfunction. If so, would explain Manny not telling what he took. Too embarrassing.

9casey said...

vrictare said...
I heard it was also used to tread Erectile Dysfunction.



I doubt viagara is on the banned substance list.....

vrictare said...

Casey--It wasn't Viagra, but a similar product, I think.

Pepe Lepew said...

Casey--It wasn't Viagra, but a similar product, I think.

It was actually a *female* fertility hormone!

redsock said...

From ESPN:

"... testing by Major League Baseball showed that Ramirez had testosterone in his body that was not natural and came from an artificial source ...
The sources said that in addition to the artificial testosterone, Ramirez was identified as using the female fertility drug human chorionic gonadotropin, or hCG. ...
ESPN reported earlier that testing showed Ramirez had used hCG, which is typically used by steroid users to restart their bodies' natural testosterone production as they come off a steroid cycle. It is similar to Clomid, the drug Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi and others used as clients of BALCO. ...
Ramirez's case was set off when a test in spring training revealed he had elevated levels of testosterone in his body. MLB followed up with a more comprehensive test that confirmed the testosterone had to come from an artificial source, the sources said.
While investigating, MLB obtained documents that indicated Ramirez's use of hCG, and it was those documents that formally were used to hand down the 50-game suspension."

vrictare said...

I've just got this to say--it looks mighty suspicious, but nobody with a swing that beautiful can be that evil. I may just be a Manny apologist, but I believe him when I didn't Roger or A-Rod.

tim said...

1. Definitely will not change 04 or 07 (as previously mentioned)

2. I'm just glad he didn't get suspended for 50 games while on the Red Sox - that would've sucked!

And some more links which shed light on whatever drugs he took:

1, 2, 3.

Pepe Lepew said...

I just saw the report about elevated testosterone and synthetic testosterone. Man, this just keeps getting uglier.

9casey said...

tim said...
1. Definitely will not change 04 or 07 (as previously mentioned



It will if he wants to stick it to the Red Sox........Who knows what Manny will do....

L-girl said...

"It will if he wants to stick it to the Red Sox........Who knows what Manny will do...."

Like what? What could he do that would stick it to the Red Sox?

If you mean naming other players who are using, that's not Manny's fault - if you're going to use, you run that risk. But maybe you mean something else.