Angels - 000 305 001 - 9 16 0A horrific sixth inning -- walk, home run, single, groundout, double, error, single, stolen base, error, sac fly, error, double, groundout -- put this one out of reach. Low point of the season so far.
Red Sox - 000 020 000 - 2 8 4
Tampa Bay edged Toronto 3-2, so the Red Sox fell to 3 GB. The Yankees whipped Baltimore 13-3 to stay 4 GB.
And the trade rumours continue to swirl around Manny Ramirez.
***
Joe Saunders (3.10, 135 ERA+) / Josh Beckett (3.83, 115 ERA+)
The Red Sox try to avoid being swept by the Angels for the second three-game series in 13 days.
But first: Rays/Blue Jays at 12:30 PM and Orioles/Yankees at 1 PM
449 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 449 Newer› Newest»I want a beer to show up now, just like last night. Only then I want us to win. So not like last night.
Hope Tony's 201 isn't prescient...
can you say, SWEEP... ????
can you say, RED SOX IN A KILLER SLUMP... ????
Can you say, WILL NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.. ????
This losing shit is getting old.
WHAT'S WITH THE HACKING?
Hope Tony's 201 isn't prescient...
I still believe it isn't, but this is as close as we've gotten to losing Manny since the A-Rod deal fell through, and this time there's no MLBPA-type hangup.
Fuck, fuck, fuckity fuck fuck.
Okay, in lieu of posting "fuck" when something bad happens in this game - and it's starting to look like it might happen a lot - I will simply post this link:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM
Spencer, I COULD say all of those things, being an English speaker, but I'm not going to, having seen much worse.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM
Woof. At least Beckett's got his number.
Stark, 8:23: "Officials from teams around the sport are beginning to hear details about the structure of the Manny Ramirez deal. According to one of them, the three players the Red Sox are seeking from the Marlins for Ramirez are Jeremy Hermida, pitcher Ryan Tucker and big-time outfield prospect Mike Stanton. However, the two sides also have discussed substituting Josh Willingham for Hermida."
Yankees traded Hawkins to Houston...
Big play by FY. Now, pretty please with sugar on top, how's about some runs?
thanks ish. i wonder if this is the deal and everyone is trying to get some new info?
Remy: "I'm about all Manny'd out."
remy refusing to lend any credence to the truth of manny's comment.
coco....did something.
!!!GOND OCOC
THAT'S A CRIPSY MOTHERFUCKER!!
The shittiest among us will carry us.
Deleted my last comment - gave a second's thought and realized that I'd still prefer Manny stays, media circus or no media circus.
Holy shit, Coco does something good! Right after Varitek does something good! Cats and dogs living together, etc.
Castig: "OFF THE GREEN!"
Sweat-powered!
Ok, THIS is more fun.
BIG HIT YOUK!
impulsive comments during games are fine. we won't hold you to them!
I rushed in today to try to get Ococ in my fantasy line up before they locked, but failed.
Now I'm glad I did. He only does that shit when I leave him on the bench.
no matter what ortiz does here, i want to see the mummy.
Saunders starting to lose control. Let's jump on this guy some more, what do you say?
yeah, i do not want to think i have seen my last mummy.
this is all setting up for the mummy, motherfuckers.
impulsive comments during games are fine. we won't hold you to them!
Ha, thanks. It wasn't so much impulsive as ill-informed; there's a difference, I think. The Manny business is really beginning to wear me down.
The Manny business is really beginning to wear me down.
it'll be over tomorrow, and then on again in the off-season!
COME ON MUMMY
I love that stat they just put up - not only does it show how awesome Tizzle has been, but it lets the mooks know how fucking awesome Adam Dunn is.
Come on Manny, show me a Twinkie the size of Manhattan!
tiz jogs down the line. lazy fuck.
No Mummy this go-round.
Or not. Grumble, grumble...
Saunders doesn't want to see Manny.
IBB. Good strategy, bad form. Sumbitch.
MORE DUCKS FOR THE DOCTOR
Rx!
And "good strategy" is debatable.
I got a fever, Dr. Doubles. And I think you know what the cure is...
at least tie this fucker up.
Does the current feeling with Manny tonight and possible imminent trades feel similar as 2004?
So I find a restaurant that looks decent, but it's inexplicably closed for dinner tonight. Then I find another, but they have me on hold because they've never heard of picking up food to take somewhere else.
ShitfuckLowell.
another hard hit ball, right at someone.
we need to get some fucking breaks, jeeez.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM
3-2 looks a LOT better than 3-0. Keep it that way, Beckett!
Shame. Could have used some mummy there...
Feels more like the last hey-let's-trade-Manny-for-no-reason season, imo.
Does the current feeling with Manny tonight and possible imminent trades feel similar as 2004?
One can only hope. The difference is that Nomar's value in '04 was a lot less than Manny's is right now. I might not be remembering right, though.
rotoworld.com rates Ryan Tucker and Mike Stanton as two of the Marlins' top 5 prospects.
I love that stat they just put up - not only does it show how awesome Tizzle has been, but it lets the mooks know how fucking awesome Adam Dunn is.
I didn't catch it -- but was it about walks or OBP? I was surprised to see today that Dunn has walked among the most in the last five years. His batting avg is somewhat low, but he makes up for it. 'Bout a .360 OBP usually. That takes a lot of the sting out of his high K's.
Hermida, by the way, is batting second for the Marlins, behind Hanley Ramirez. Willingham, on the other hand, is batting cleanup.
Bay is batting cleanup currently for Pittsburgh. As much as any of that matters.
rotoworld.com rates Ryan Tucker and Mike Stanton as two of the Marlins' top 5 prospects.
Yeah, but would we keep them or would they go to Pittsburgh?
Gah, a 4 pitch walk. To Hunter. Gah.
The Dunn stat they put up (I'm watching FSN West) was that since 2004, Adam Dunn has hit 196 dingers, tied for most in that span with A-Rod. Tizzle is 3rd with 191.
That's one of the things I wouldn't like about this deal very much, would be if Hermida is batting second for Florida, how could he bat fourth for Boston?
So, that leads me to another thought that if the deal is made, the Red Sox very well could flip Hermida to Pittsburgh for Bay.
Oh COCK. A cheap home run around pesky's pole. Cock nut.
thanx, josh. dick.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM
Thanks, Beckett.
Pulled up GDGD just in time to see OcOc's HR.
goodtimes
Hey, about a win tonight. And maybe no Manny shit. At least not without a towel.
IMHO - I think we've seen all this shit before. It will go away in a few days, everyone will kiss and make-up, and we'll sail into the playoffs on a late season roll.
......but I could be tripping
Rosenthal says there is "no way", according to a Marlins official, that Stanton would be included in the talks.
The Red Sox and Marlins are talking, major-league sources confirmed, but there was "nothing close," as of 8:40 p.m. ET Wednesday, according to an official with knowledge of the discussions.
Reports surfaced earlier Wednesday night saying that one of the prospects in a Ramirez trade could be highly regarded outfielder Mike Stanton, the team's second-round pick last season.
"No way," one Marlins official said.
"I don't see a scenario where Mike Stanton would be traded for anyone," another team official added.
This feels like 2006 all over again, right down to Beckett having a turd of a start.
No, Tony, POSITIVITY, DAMN IT!
......but I could be tripping
As long as you share. A number of our compatriots could use some of what you're smoking...
Crap - I write and the freaking halos put up another deuce.
Kinda like Manny :)
Crap - I write and the freaking halos put up another deuce.
Kinda like Manny :)
Another hand-towel violated.
just focus on the batter, okay josh?
6-2 again. Hasn't the score been 6-2 Angels at one point in every game this series?
MDC pls.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM
I SERIOUSLY hope the Angels are just this damn good. But I don't really believe that.
Just make sure you stay this hot against the Yankees and Rays, okay, LAA?
Well, piss.
so, what are these youtubes?
I'm refraining from posting my link just because that didn't score a run - which, honestly, I can't believe.
And he was doing so well after 3, too. God damn it.
redsock, the youtube link is to my favorite scene from the dearly departed show The Wire. If you're familiar with the show, I think you'll know which one it is.
Well, tHIS is turning into one of the worst days ever...
Not only does Beckett remind me of 2006; this last group of games reminds me of the Yankee 5 game sweep. The team looks D-E-A-D.
Mike Jacobs of the Marlins has been replaced in the game by Alfredo Amezega, but I don't think that means anything. Jacobs is a first baseman.
wow. this is a baaaaaad stretch.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KQbsnSVM1zM
Somebody just hit me on the head with a hammer. That could only feel marginally worse right now.
But hey, we've gotta keep Tek out there, because of his defensive value. Uh, right?
E3?
This defense looks like it's pre-Nomar trade...
Lately, at least.
the curse is back!
This is making me want something stronger than the beer.
Dear Josh
Please come back.
We miss you.
Us
The staggering thing is that this loss (we can all assume loss, right?) puts the Sox only 3 games back of the Rays, and still 1 game ahead of the Yankees. Like all bad stretches, those 3 games might as well be 300, and that 1-game lead might as well not exist.
the curse is back!
hee hee
the curse is back!
AUGHHHHH!
No, wait.
What the FUCK was that?
OMG..
all the wheels are off now
This is really one of the most ugly games I've seen in some time. And you thought it couldn't get worse...
i switched to juice, so i am not comatose when L comes home,
but................
SoSH:
"I have fucking had it with this team. The Jason Bay era starts Friday..."
"Theo needs to blow this fucking team up."
"Garbage Time! At least Tek's noodle arm matches his limp dick bat."
hahahaha, these are some happy mofos
Sorry to do this, but I've been writing out a new blog post to help take my mind off this abortion of a ballgame, and it's just been published. You can find the link in my Blogger profile.
When the corpse of Garret Anderson has 2 hits, 1 HR, and 4 RBI, this is probably not going to be a good night.
28 minute wait!
Radio guys call that inning the worst of the year.
L is home - she should be pleased.
Wow, just wow.
The old 1st and 3rd steal scores a run. 4 errors already. Looks a lot like 1 of my LL teams. And NOT the one that's nailing down a district title this week!
Maybe now that L's home, someone can laugh at my ohm pun.
Radio guys call that inning the worst of the year.
castig must be loading his gun.
28 minute wait!
and we go down 1-2-3! jesus
I just saw one of the worst lineups tonight in baseball... the Braves.
Gregor Blanco, CF
Yunel Escobar, SS
Casey Kotchman, 1B
Greg Norton, LF
Omar Infante, 3B
Kelly Johnson, 2B
Jeff Francoeur, RF
Corky Miller, C
Jair Jurrjens, P
I dunno, comatose sounds pretty good right now.
Florida Marlins telecast shows a photoshopped picture of Manny in a Fish uniform. Saying it's still rumors, though.
Big surprise, Dave O'Brien & Steve Phillips (at least I think it's him) are talking about Manny during the Cubs/Brewers game on ESPN.
Phillips: "It looks like Manny Being Manny has finally run its course in Boston".
Trenchant analysis, as always.
So I set out on foot to find this restaurant, and it turns out the street I'm trying to turn left at is fifty feet up in the air. I hate Boston sometimes.
Just got home from a Campaign meeting. Walked in the house and said, We'd better be winning.
That's funny. 8-2.
Or should I say, 2-8.
tito should sit manny in the last couple of innings, you know, just to fuck with peoples heads.
I wonder how many games can we lose to the same team and still insist we are better than them.
If we were doing this to the Yankees, we'd sure as fuck say we were the better team!
tito should sit manny in the last couple of innings, you know, just to fuck with peoples heads.
It would probably fuck with peoples' heads to see these guys string together more than 2 hits.
You just cannot say you're better than a team if you are 1-8 against them in the season series. That season series will come to an end tonight, and that's what the record will be if the Red Sox do lose.
Florida should sit Hermida and Pittsburgh should sit Bay, and Manny should sit. Just to fuck with more people's heads.
The Angels definitely seem to have our number right now. But I also believe that we are a better team than our play of late has shown us to be. So in that regard, we could still be the better team, they've just caught us at a bad time.
.........or I could still be tripping
Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald thinks UFO's have been seen over Dolphin Stadium.
UFO's Sighted Over Dolphin Stadium -- Manny Ramirez to Marlins?
Beam me up, Scotty.
SI.com is reporting aliens have descended on Dolphin Stadium and dropped off the reincarnated figure of Babe Ruth. Just kidding. Actually, what is being reported is that the Marlins are "engaged" in discussions with the Red Sox for Manny Ramirez, which is just about as laughable as some supermarket tabloid story.
Oh, fuck, I hate coming home to an 8-2 score in the 8th. This is so discouraging. And they think trading Manny will improve things.
At least I went to something worthwhile tonight---an ACLU event with lots of authors reading works of those who had been excluded from the US over the last 100 years. Depressing in its own way, but differently.
1-8 against them in the season series
We're #1! We're #1!
Laura, sounds like we both just arrived home. What a mess our team seems to be...
Tito: "We need to increase our wins".
He's on it.
heidi...
The Pudge trade is still sticking in my craw, too. Fucking Kyle Farnsworth? Really?
Dave Dombrowski...super genius. You'd think the Yankees, who desperately don't want Jose Molina as their starting C, could be leaned on for a little more than that.
Christ, I'm annoyed today.
Jacobs being lifted from the Marlins game isn't a time he'd normally be lifted, and there has been talk of a Jacobs for Bengie Molina trade.
Yeah, just where did the Pudge trade come from? And what is this about Manny and the Marlins?
Hey, nice start Lopez, 2 straight hits. Now all we need is a Timlin sighting
Amy, that sounds like a great event!
We are going gangbusters, but my heart is breaking for the two resisters in military prison.
The two from Canada, that is. There are many others.
I'm glad some of us (Amy, Laura) spent the evening productively.
...
For sure none of our ballplayers did.
Latest at 8:29: Here's the latest. MLB.com says we're moving closer to the three-team deal. The Pirates could receive a minor leaguer from the Red Sox. Dejan Kovacevic says the Pirates would receive four or more prospects for Bay, as well as Hermida. John Grabow could end up in Boston or Florida. Perrotto says it could be expanded to have Jed Lowrie go to Pittsburgh and Jack Wilson to Boston. The Bucs also like Red Sox prospect Hunter Jones.
Phil, give me the pun again so I can laugh at it.
mlb.com blog
There were a smattering of sources in that post, including a couple of Pittsburgh beat writers.
You just cannot say you're better than a team if you are 1-8 against them in the season series.
Cue Jack Marshall.
amy, the Sox are planning to trade Manny to the Fish for prospects, Jason Bay will go to Boston, either Hermida or Willingham will go to Pittsburgh. Or something like that. Me, I'd like the trade a lot more if BOTH Bay and Hermida/Willingham were coming to Boston.
No mention of Jason Bay in that update from MLBTR.
Just saw a rah-rah "hey, immigrants, get a fucking green card" commercial for John McCain. My mood darkened just a little bit more.
Allan: "Early dinner - L has a resisters meeting -- has me a bit more in the bag at game time than usual. WHEEEEEEEEE!"
phil: "Resistors' meeting? Guess you're ohm alone."
Feels like Masterson's getting Proctored.
ish, I think that MLBTR post made it an assumption that Bay's going to Boston. Otherwise the 3-way deal would make absolutely no sense.
Yeah, it was a great event. Lots of local but well-known authors: Alice Hoffman, Howard Zinn, James Carroll,Tony Kahn, among the best known, plus others, reading from writings of Emma Goldman, Nelson Mandela, Gordon Kahn, Pablo Nerudo, Doris Lessing, and others. A very touching reading from a detainee at Guantanamo.
I was hoping for a baseball win to break the hopeless mood.
Bay still included in the talks.
Tomy, why are you posting URLs to YouTubes of The Wire?
ish, I think that MLBTR post made it an assumption that Bay's going to Boston. Otherwise the 3-way deal would make absolutely no sense.
Heh, me too.
Howard Zinn was there? That's so great. He hasn't been doing anything because his wife was very ill - and then died. I'm so glad to hear he was there.
He is my hero.
l-girl, it's the "fuck fuckity fuck" scene, aka my favorite one. I posted it in lieu of a massive profanity-laced post when the Sox did something awful.
As you can see, I had to post it a lot.
So what do we really gain from this deal for this season? Are we giving up chances of the post-season? Or is the FO just cocky enough to think we can get there without Manny?
Guess you're ohm alone!!!!!
That is priceless.
Guess he's, um, home alone.
Howard Zinn was amazing. He read from a speech by Carlos Fuentes about being refused entry to the US many times and then the time he was allowed to come only to Manhattan and sneaked with Norman Mailer into Brooklyn. It was both funny and moving, and Zinn read it with real feeling.
HERE we go... time for that Manhattan sized Twinkie...
The hope, I'd assume, is that Bay can replicate at least some of Manny's numbers while playing better defense, and that might be enough to keep Boston in the race. If it was straight prospects, that'd be a "punt 2008" deal. Even though they're playing so badly right now, I don't think there's a reason for them to punt 2008.
resistors - ohms.
A joke any electrician or electronics tech would love.
I like Manny's possible last at-bat to be a MUMMY.
Though now I think we need a Queens sized Twinkie.
I will be so upset if Manny is traded.
...or not.
Orsillo's Manny chatter is making NESN sound like ESPN.
He donged the 1st pitch he saw at Fenway as a Sock.
That better not be his last out here.
Just better not.
Wow, did you see that intentional bird-flipping fly-out.
Ditch him.
Me, too---very upset if Manny is traded. I see nothing good in it. And who is this Bay guy? I know little about the stupid Senior Circuit, but I am sure he is no Manny Ramirez.
Haha - missed your ohm earlier Phil. I'm glad we got a recap on that. (I went looking when you mentioned it, but didn't go all the way back to the other page.)
Tony, you're a little ahead of yourself there.
l-girl, I'll be upset too ,and I won't like it one bit from a baseball standpoint, but I'll understand.
Now that it seems entirely likely Manny won't come back for '09, a deal has to be done. Boston cannot risk just outright losing Manny, not with the weak FA market for the 08 offseason.
Jason Bay. Canadian. Good player. Not Manny.
And I know I'm ahead of myself, but I'm trying to think of justifications for the deal outside of "Manny said mean things and fans are booing him now".
Phil, good OHM joke. Consistent with your techie side.
How was the bar exam today? Probably better than this game.
Tony, I'm not discussing it. I mean no offense to you, and nothing personal, but I don't care what you or anyone else understands about this. I want him to be on our team, our team is better with him than without him, and nothing else matters to me.
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/
As usual, Dan Szymborski nails it.
i think i'd throw up if manny were traded.
Meh. The MBE is just another multiple choice standardized test. More essay questions tomorrow (Massachusetts).
Pirates are still talking to Tampa about Bay as well.
l-girl, I understand completely. Believe me, I don't want to discuss it. But the issue is right in front of our face, and if I don't try to rationalize it, I'll probably break something.
Most of my students dread the MBE more than the state days, but most also are not great at standardized tests. I hate standardized tests on principle. Almost as much as I am hating the Angels and the thought of losing Manny.
Nice to be so relaxed about a bar exam! Good on you. Good luck, too.
Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus reports Selig's office has been informed about a deal, so he needs to give permission about cash changing hands.
I know you told us before, Phil, but where will you be practicing when you move up here to New England?
Oh, gee, another run for the Angels.
Oh lovely. What a nice baseball week this is. 'Nt.
Oh for fucks sake. This game sucks.
Will Carroll
With a multiple choice test, the answer's sitting on the page. With an essay test, you've got to come up with the answer yourself.
OK, let's just see how demoralized the team and its fans can be.
Somewhere in the Boston/Providence area.
A says: Will Carroll has not be the most reliable of reporters. We need other sources to confirm. [just transcribing]
torii hunter dong.
i heard an interview with torii last year where the radio host asked him if he wore a cup, and torri said "hell naw! too much junk going on down there!"
hahaha
True about multiple choice---but many people find the format of multiple choice confusing in and of itself, regardless of content. If you know the material, an essay question will let you show what you know. A multiple choice answer that's right can be a good guess; a wrong answer can mean someone just was confused by the format.
At this point, it appears there's been an agreement on a deal, cash will change hands of more than a million, obviously, and right now they're trying to agree on prospects. And I guess Manny still has to waive his no-trade clause.
A says: Will Carroll has not be the most reliable of reporters. We need other sources to confirm. [just transcribing]
Looking...
If Manny is traded, I will lose a lot of heart for the rest of the season. Not that I won't climb back on board at some point, but I won't care as much about watching every game.
This whole campaign against Manny is so sickening - more so because it's TOTALLY unnecessary. It makes me really bitter against Red Sox management and increases my usual loathing of the mainstream sports media.
Good luck with the move. Any particular type of practice you looking into?
You know, we could have Josh Hamilton's 70 yr-old Amer. Legion coach come out and throw BP, since that's all we seem to be doing. It would cost less.
ha, funny torii hunter quote. especially since he's on my girls team.
SoSock, we could have one of your Little Leaguers at this point.
Manny has probably already waived his no-trade clause, since this deal is actually moving. What with the deadline and all.
Man. This is fucking weird. I more or less became a huge Sox fan in the Pedro/Manny era. Now it looks like both are gone.
Rockies/Pirates game has ended.
If Manny is traded, I'm going to cry.
The campaign against Manny is so obviously created by the media. Listening to the radio before Saturday's game started made that so apparent. Callers kept calling to ask about other things, and the radio asshole kept steering it back to Manny bad-mouthing.
Marlins game has ended now as well.
Anderson's out of the game. Maybe he's getting traded to Boston for Timlin.
Yet another reason to hate the MSM. There are so many.
A hit for Tek! OK, that at least makes me smile a little.
Amy, I agree, but to me it also seems created by Red Sox FO, using the media as their mouthpiece. Leaking bits here and there, then hiding behind no comments.
All these years I'd known, deep in my heart, that the New York baseball media was the worst of them all. If Manny is traded, that little piece of my heart will shrivel up and die.
Gammons, 9:58
The Manny Ramirez trade conversations are expected to continue into Thursday, according to a source. Because it's a very complicated deal, involving a player who has the right to veto the trade and other parts, it is still unlikely to happen. But the negotiations will go on.
Nix will vomit.
Sarah will cry.
Maybe I'll do both!
i might cry too...
Yes, you're right, Laura. But what was their motivation? To get rid of him? To turn the fans against him?
I hate this. I just don't get it.
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